Do not look at the Big East's record

[upstater]

So the Horizon league came just short of being the best conference 2 years in a row. Silly stuff

Stop distorting everything that's said.

There were 4 teams from each conference in the tourney. The BE's 4 best did not cut it. We're not talking about one team. We're talking about all those top teams together.

 

[upstater]

So if Kentucky wins the tournament than odds are the SEC is the best league?

I can only assume that Upstater is being willfully obtuse at this point because his argument is so painfully bad that even he can't believe it.

Yes you can decide which conference is better based on a 10 game sample size played by 1/3 of the teams in tbe league. Seriously that's his argument.

Kentucky is a good example. They played in the SEC. Despite a good OOC schedule against MSU, PC, Baylor, UNC, Louisville, and 3 games against Florida, the were an 8 seed.

The SEC was underseeded compared to the BE, and the SEC had stellar performances. 13 wins.

You're a stat head who'd rather hang out with Sagarin than actually watch the NCAA tourney. You know, the games that were played in March. Like the Villanova Uconn game. or what about that NC State Xavier game, how'd that go?

 

[upstater]

you didn't answer my question?

You want me to answer a total non-sequitir?

 

[tcf15]

St. John's bringing the short shorts back:

 

[whaler11]

Kentucky is a good example. They played in the SEC. Despite a good OOC schedule against MSU, PC, Baylor, UNC, Louisville, and 3 games against Florida, the were an 8 seed.

The SEC was underseeded compared to the BE, and the SEC had stellar performances. 13 wins.

You're a stat head who'd rather hang out with Sagarin than actually watch the NCAA tourney. You know, the games that were played in March. Like the Villanova Uconn game. or what about that NC State Xavier game, how'd that go?

Yes I'm a wild stathead who doesn't watch games. Could you be more incorrect?

I know you think you can rank 350 teams and 30 conferences in your head by watching UConn games - but you can't.

Your point about Kentucky has nothing to do with the conversation, which isn't surprising because your argument is so far beyond lucid you may as well just wildly jump from topic to topic because there is no way to connect any dots in your 'logic'.

 

[gtcam]

Not to be a jerk but the Big East died two years ago
I could care what the record of the imposter league is or what the teams in that "league" do
let's talk Husky hoops

 

[FriarJ]

Stop distorting everything that's said.

There were 4 teams from each conference in the tourney. The BE's 4 best did not cut it. We're not talking about one team. We're talking about all those top teams together.

stop refusing to answer my question about this year. What the heck is wrong with you?

 

[FriarJ]

Not to be a jerk but the Big East died two years ago
I could care what the record of the imposter league is or what the teams in that "league" do
let's talk Husky hoops

Then start a thread that's not about the friggin BE. WTF is up with you guys? One loss and its all going to ? If we even won one title I would not give a crap what any poster said ever. Facts are many of you are spoiled, arrogant or lacking in reality. You know who you are...

 

[upstater]

Yes I'm a wild stathead who doesn't watch games. Could you be more incorrect?

I know you think you can rank 350 teams and 30 conferences in your head by watching UConn games - but you can't.

Your point about Kentucky has nothing to do with the conversation, which isn't surprising because your argument is so far beyond lucid you may as well just wildly jump from topic to topic because there is no way to connect any dots in your 'logic'.

You brought up Kentucky. Not me. The SEC is another example of a conference that had much stronger teams than people supposed, and they were underseeded.

 

[upstater]

stop refusing to answer my question about this year. What the heck is wrong with you?

It has nothing to do with what I said: go ahead. Ask again, because you make no sense. might as well ask me about Dancing with the Stars. Better yet, start a new thread and as a courtesy to you, since you're so desperate, I'll answer.

 

[whaler11]

You brought up Kentucky. Not me. The SEC is another example of a conference that had much stronger teams than people supposed, and they were underseeded.

Genius I brought up Kentucky to point out the silliness of the premise that if a team in your league wins the NC that means your league is great.

You can't seem to stop trying to compare leagues by only looking at 1/3rd of the members - which is so stupid it's a bit painful - but since you can't get past what is a very simple concept you can continue to ignore reality and enjoy the one youve created in your mind.

 

[upstater]

Genius I brought up Kentucky to point out the silliness of the premise that if a team in your league wins the NC that means your league is great.

You can't seem to stop trying to compare leagues by only looking at 1/3rd of the members - which is so stupid it's a bit painful - but since you can't get past what is a very simple concept you can continue to ignore reality and enjoy the one youve created in your mind.

And I asnwered that Kentucky's low seed and their performance, coupled with the performances of the SEC tournament teams, shows you that the conference should have been held in higher esteem.

And I've said this 1000x but you refuse to acknowledge this: UConn's stats, the ones you love so much, SOS and RPI, weren't bad at all. 4/5 seed.

Also, your math is bad. The 5 AAC teams I put up there last year were UL, UConn, Cincy, Memphis and SMU. That's 1/2 the conference. What was so good about Butler and DePaul anyway?

You're stuck in the past.

 

[whaler11]

And I asnwered that Kentucky's low seed and their performance, coupled with the performances of the SEC tournament teams, shows you that the conference should have been held in higher esteem.

And I've said this 1000x but you refuse to acknowledge this: UConn's stats, the ones you love so much, SOS and RPI, weren't bad at all. 4/5 seed.

Also, your math is bad. The 5 AAC teams I put up there last year were UL, UConn, Cincy, Memphis and SMU. That's 1/2 the conference. What was so good about Butler and DePaul anyway?

You're stuck in the past.

I hate RPI for the record.

I'm actually stuck in the present looking at what is presently going on.

You can't seem to grasp the Kentucky point... it's pretty simple...

Are you seriously still blabbing about NIT games? Good grief - you really are clueless.

 

[FriarJ]

It has nothing to do with what I said: go ahead. Ask again, because you make no sense. might as well ask me about Dancing with the Stars. Better yet, start a new thread and as a courtesy to you, since you're so desperate, I'll answer.

I will try this again if possible; Not going on anything in the past, you rank a 12 team conference with a few power teams at the top and overall rankings lets say rankings of 5-250 with them all being scattered equally between those numbers as stronger than a conference with 10 teams between 10-100? Do you believe at all in Ken Pomeroy? or the RPI at all? Do you have your own rankings? How do you determine them? what should SMU be ranked right now?

 

[7774]

Kentucky is a good example. They played in the SEC. Despite a good OOC schedule against MSU, PC, Baylor, UNC, Louisville, and 3 games against Florida, the were an 8 seed.

You act like the outcome of these games are meaningless or something. Their 8 seed probably had less to do with them being in the SEC and more to do with them going 2-6 in the games you listed, plus losses to Vanderbilt, Arkansas twice, South Carolina, etc.

 

[Gurleyman]

When you win national titles, you don't really care much what's going on with the pillow fights at the bottom of the league.

If we win the national title, and The Big East has the other 7 in the Elite Eight, fine with me. They can brag about their league while we raise another banner.

 

[mwc22]

UConn needs to either go independent in football or drop the football team to the FCS, and then rejoin the Big East.

 

[upstater]

I will try this again if possible; Not going on anything in the past, you rank a 12 team conference with a few power teams at the top and overall rankings lets say rankings of 5-250 with them all being scattered equally between those numbers as stronger than a conference with 10 teams between 10-100? Do you believe at all in Ken Pomeroy? or the RPI at all? Do you have your own rankings? How do you determine them? what should SMU be ranked right now?

RPI can be gamed. We all know this. Play the top dregs, not the bottom dregs. But as I've said 1000x in this thread, the AAC teams were underseeded and the BE teams overseeded. According to RPI and SOS. I've said this a number of times. It's crazy that you guys are going back to statistics and I'm saying those statistics showed that the AAC teams should have been seeded higher, the BE lower.

And the results of the actual tournament prove that and bear that out. Not to mention that the end of the year counts so much more. We saw how UConn developed through the year for instance. You see the best teams of the year in March and April, not November and December when the OOC games are played.

Regardless, yes I do believe that SMU, Memphis, Louisville, UConn and Cincy made it a stronger conference than the BE.

 

[upstater]

I hate RPI for the record.

I'm actually stuck in the present looking at what is presently going on.

You can't seem to grasp the Kentucky point... it's pretty simple...

Are you seriously still blabbing about NIT games? Good grief - you really are clueless.

NIT? Huh?

 

[Inyatkin]

These discussions sound like the Syracuse people who think being in the ACC rather than the AAC is an achievement unto itself. It's not. The goal is to win games. Who cares where you do it. Of course I'd rather be in a better conference, but the only thing in UConn's control is UConn games.

 

[upstater]

You act like the outcome of these games are meaningless or something. Their 8 seed probably had less to do with them being in the SEC and more to do with them going 2-6 in the games you listed, plus losses to Vanderbilt, Arkansas twice, South Carolina, etc.

Who said they were meaningless?

I am saying that the RPI and SOS should have given them more credit, but the general consensus (which was wrong) was biased against the conference. Same with the AAC teams. Kentucky was around 20 RPI. Not 36-40.

 

[FriarJ]

RPI can be gamed. We all know this. Play the top dregs, not the bottom dregs. But as I've said 1000x in this thread, the AAC teams were underseeded and the BE teams overseeded. According to RPI and SOS. I've said this a number of times. It's crazy that you guys are going back to statistics and I'm saying those statistics showed that the AAC teams should have been seeded higher, the BE lower.

And the results of the actual tournament prove that and bear that out. Not to mention that the end of the year counts so much more. We saw how UConn developed through the year for instance. You see the best teams of the year in March and April, not November and December when the OOC games are played.

Regardless, yes I do believe that SMU, Memphis, Louisville, UConn and Cincy made it a stronger conference than the BE.

Holy Christ, I have asked you multiple times to drop last year and explain to me how you rank a conference. This is going nowhere fast.

 

[itgoeslike]

The reason why the AAC teams performed better than NBE teams in last season's post season play is because the top half of the AAC was better than the top half of the NBE last year. This year appears to be trending differently, but we haven't even gotten through November. The NBE is fortunate to garner much needed, good press, which is important, because when conference play hits, they will be dropping off the radar.

 

[FriarJ]

The reason why the AAC teams performed better than NBE teams in last season's post season play is because the top half of the AAC was better than the top half of the NBE last year. This year appears to be trending differently, but we haven't even gotten through November. The NBE is fortunate to garner much needed, good press, which is important, because when conference play hits, they will be dropping off the radar.

If the BE has 4-5 teams ranked at the start of conference play they won't be the conference dropping off the radar

 

[itgoeslike]

If the BE has 4-5 teams ranked at the start of conference play they won't be the conference dropping off the radar

Good results will help and if they can get 5 teams ranked it will make a difference. Although, keep in mind, ESPN is showing some love now as the media partner for most of these preseason tourneys, but I suspect when NBE conference play starts they will limit exposure to highlights. At least that is how it appeared to play out last year.

 

[upstater]

Holy Christ, I have asked you multiple times to drop last year and explain to me how you rank a conference. This is going nowhere fast.

Sigh.

By how their top teams do in the tournament. End of year is most important.

Not one team.

Multiple teams.

 

[CTBasketball]

I rank teams by eye test. I probably watch over 500 college hoops games a year. My rankings are pretty accurate.

 

[johnhuskies95]

Not sure what the OP is going for with the title of this post. The BE was never an option for UConn so it's not like fans are regretting not joining the league.

 

[Fishy]

Not sure what the OP is going for with the title of this post. The BE was never an option for UConn so it's not like fans are regretting not joining the league.

His point was that the Big East has been pretty good this year. (Looking at today's results, he understated his case.)

People seemed to take offense.

 

[champs99and04]

Not sure what the OP is going for with the title of this post. The BE was never an option for UConn so it's not like fans are regretting not joining the league.

It might not be an option, but the fact is that UConn consciously decided against joining a vastly superior basketball conference to continue supporting a football team that is one of the worst in the country. As a guy who cares way more about hoops than football, that's frustrating.

I understand that joining the Big East isn't a realistic option, so it's mostly a moot point.