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nwhoopfan said:
It almost sounds like you're lobbying to get her back. Thought maybe somebody hijacked your account.
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uconnfan68 said:
No wonder coaching is harder.
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We are dealing with an entirely different WCBB landscape than just even ten years ago. Geno's system just is not as effective with the present type of players. This has even filtered down to high school and projects it getting progressively worse. Before you guestion my intent, I will say I am old school and a fan of the type of system Geno runs. However, the womens games dynamics have changed so much that my fandom has wained considerable. In the present reality, objectively, it is not ridiculous that Geno has been demoted on the coaching scale. This is the new reality we are presently in.
 
cwaduke said:
Internet writing and critical thinking has become so inane and stupid, I have stopped paying attention to any of it. Just watch the games.
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Is the Boneyard "internet writing and critical thinking"?
 
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MilfordHusky said:
I’m surprised by Close, but the ranking is likely based on the wording of the question. Who is the best coach ever? That is clearly Geno. Pat may be second. Who is the best coach of the past 5 years or so? I think Dawn is likely #1, and Kim probably is #2. Both have 2 championships since Geno’s last one. Geno’s full career trumps everyone, but his results have dropped off, especially the last 2+ injury riddled seasons.
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I would say Geno, Tara or Pat as the best ever. Geno has won a lot of games but maybe as important he has also won more championships. I think Dawn is definitely putting her name in the mix and Kim based on her win percentage but I would put both of these ladies in the second level of the greatest all time, at least for now.
 
willtalk said:
We are dealing with an entirely different WCBB landscape than just even ten years ago. Geno's system just is not as effective with the present type of players. This has even filtered down to high school and projects it getting progressively worse. Before you guestion my intent, I will say I am old school and a fan of the type of system Geno runs. However, the womens games dynamics have changed so much that my fandom has wained considerable. In the present reality, objectively, it is not ridiculous that Geno has been demoted on the coaching scale. This is the new reality we are presently in.
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I think you’re right, and game dynamics have changed. I may be mistaken about this, but there seems to be more showboating, more taunting, more overt star culture than even 10 years ago. This may be what inevitably happens when the sport grows in popularity or it may be a temporary artifact of the portal, covid and NIL. I’m hoping for the latter, but that hope coming true may also accompany a contraction in national interest in WCBB.

I think there’s still room for the old culture that Geno represents, along with Dawn and Tara and others. But a simple return to this across D1 seems unlikely, and certainly not in just a few years.
 
John Wooden retired at the age of 64 after winning his 10th NC in 1975.
He never made more than $35,000 per year which would be $200,152 in 2023.
And he never asked for a raise.
He was reportedly offered to coach the LA Lakers for 10X his salary but turned it down.
UCLA gave him a powder blue Mercedes Benz as a retirement gift.
 
Rowdy831 said:
I would say Geno, Tara or Pat as the best ever. Geno has won a lot of games but maybe as important he has also won more championships. I think Dawn is definitely putting her name in the mix and Kim based on her win percentage but I would put both of these ladies in the second level of the greatest all time, at least for now.
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Her win percentage would a heck of a lot less if she played the type of schedule that Geno, Pat, Muffet, and even Tara did or does. Geno, Pat and Muffet were almost always in the Top 5 and Tara in the Top 10 when it came to SoS, even in non-conference games.
 
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RockyMTblue2 said:
Yeah, I was also in bed, laptop on my chest, and watched this "click bait." People seem to forget that Dawn has lost as favorite more often than not. Botox I will not comment on. Other coaches have pointed out that Geno's coaching brilliance is most on display when he has to adjust a team due to injuries. We are seeing this again this season.
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We as fans don't have to defend GENO--he does that very well! Our job is to stay with this teams ups and downs. For me, since the 1960's in the field house--the kids and the game is the thing. Once Geno got here, the men became secondary, but still "the men". Geno's precision in playing the game---set him apart from all others --forever. He'll win, he'll lose, but the game while faster and higher--is still just putting it in the hole more than the other guy. The arguments of Geno's championships or FF' are sickening--and a given. His team plays a game like no others.
 
Bone Dog said:
I think you’re right, and game dynamics have changed. I may be mistaken about this, but there seems to be more showboating, more taunting, more overt star culture than even 10 years ago. This may be what inevitably happens when the sport grows in popularity or it may be a temporary artifact of the portal, covid and NIL. I’m hoping for the latter, but that hope coming true may also accompany a contraction in national interest in WCBB.
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the bottom line, i suspect, is that all you cite is largely fueled by the damn INTERNET, which has greatly enabled evil forces -- and jerks -- of the world to influence the popular culture these days, and sadly far too many folks are susceptible to following the dregs of popular culture.

yes, the BY is part of the Internet. ... happily, we have sensible people overseeing things here, and (most :() BYers are mature enough (i.e., old) and. intelligent enough not to fall prey to the 'net's dark shadows.
 
BigU said:
I laugh...Geno is the all time best WCBB hands down. He has a legacy beyond WCBB..coaches, former players in the WNBA etc etc!! He is the all time #1 !!
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I've been a fan of Uconn forever--I also have been one of U of Ark or Okla. Fandom has the right, almost the duty to think of themselves as the best of the best.. Sherry at Okla was their best. LSU--has the best money can buy. Dawn is trying desperately to be GENO of the new era. Lawson--is headed that way. Tara--amazing in what she gets from her teams. Each is the best in their pond.
 
PacoSwede said:
the bottom line, i suspect, is that all you cite is largely fueled by the damn INTERNET, which has greatly enabled evil forces -- and jerks -- of the world to influence the popular culture these days, and sadly far too many folks are susceptible to following the dregs of popular culture.

yes, the BY is part of the Internet. ... happily, we have sensible people overseeing things here, and (most :() BYers are mature enough (i.e., old) and. intelligent enough not to fall prey to the 'net's dark shadows.
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A Marine defending the First Amendment, whom i respect, spoke my words in defense of the internet- first i is amazing. It's indecent, it angers, it informs, and YOU use it. It is what you allow it to be by selecting what you view.
 
During the last stretch of failing to make the FF, 05-07, people claimed:

The talent pool was deeper and more spread out, making it harder for any program to dominate.

The talent coming out of high school has a more entitled attitude.

Auriemma was not suited/adaptable to the new breed of talent.

UConn’s days of dominance was forever behind them.

In other words, everything being said now is not new, it was said 18 years ago as well. Four championships and fourteen later, Auriemma’s and UConn’s demise was totally off the mark.

Those criticisms will always be made during downturns. One of these days they actually will be true and the critics will pat themselves on the back. (Actually, the talent pool expanding still will not be true, it has been shrinking since 2003 for girls HS basketball).

Yet before we conclude they are true this time around let us see what happens if our starting line up and rotation remains stable for nearly a whole season for a change.
 
TCC Kid said:
I've been a fan of Uconn forever--I also have been one of U of Ark or Okla. Fandom has the right, almost the duty to think of themselves as the best of the best.. Sherry at Okla was their best. LSU--has the best money can buy. Dawn is trying desperately to be GENO of the new era. Lawson--is headed that way. Tara--amazing in what she gets from her teams. Each is the best in their pond.
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Can you clarify the "trying to be Geno" point, please? If in regards to dominance, I get it to a certain extent. The trying desperately part doesn't make sense to me however.
 
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MSGRET said:
Her win percentage would a heck of a lot less if she played the type of schedule that Geno, Pat, Muffet, and even Tara did or does. Geno, Pat and Muffet were almost always in the Top 5 and Tara in the Top 10 when it came to SoS, even in non-conference games.
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I get the sentiment but what you offer here is simply conjecture as there are ZERO facts to back up your assertion. None of the metrics we use now to calculate strength of schedule existed before 2017. And while the SEC where Pat played and the 1999-2012 Big East were tougher conferences than the Big 12 (though how tougher is debatable), the PAC 12 was abysmal so to say Kim played far weaker teams is simply an opinion, not a fact.

The fact is Kim has won 4 titles, Tara 3, Dawn 3 and while you might not like the "style" points on how she did it, she did win those titles on the floor by beating all other teams she was pitted against in the tournament.

No one is disparaging Geno's legacy by those in the inner sanctum or Basketball knowledge-to get all up in "arms" over an ill-conceived proposition is silly and then using opinion as some proof is almost as ill-conceived.
 
DefenseBB said:
I get the sentiment but what you offer here is simply conjecture as there are ZERO facts to back up your assertion. None of the metrics we use now to calculate strength of schedule existed before 2017. And while the SEC where Pat played and the 1999-2012 Big East were tougher conferences than the Big 12 (though how tougher is debatable), the PAC 12 was abysmal so to say Kim played far weaker teams is simply an opinion, not a fact.

The fact is Kim has won 4 titles, Tara 3, Dawn 3 and while you might not like the "style" points on how she did it, she did win those titles on the floor by beating all other teams she was pitted against in the tournament.

No one is disparaging Geno's legacy by those in the inner sanctum or Basketball knowledge-to get all up in "arms" over an ill-conceived proposition is silly and then using opinion as some proof is almost as ill-conceived.
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I'm talking about the number of cup cake wins that she has gotten vs Geno, Pat, Tara and Muffet. Take this year's schedule compared to UConn, South Carolina, Notre Dame, and Stanford. Kim has 10 Non Conference games scheduled against teams rated by Massey 201 - 360. Geno has 1 game and that was because of Pitt withdrawing from Aaliyah's homecoming game. Dawn has 3 games, Niele who has scheduled teams like Muffet did has 4 and Tara has 0. So these four coaches combined have 2 less games scheduled against cup cakes than Kim does. She has scheduled like that ever since she has been the Baylor coach. Look at their SoS, Geno #1, Dawn #2, Tara #13 and Niele #14, while Kim's is #97.
 
RedStickHusky said:
Really?
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I am posting the first link Google produced. I’ve shared national studies on this in the past, but am too lazy to search for those specific ones again. No matter how many times I share studies on this I doubt it’s going to change what people have come to believe.

Waning Involvement
 
willtalk said:
We are dealing with an entirely different WCBB landscape than just even ten years ago. Geno's system just is not as effective with the present type of players. This has even filtered down to high school and projects it getting progressively worse. Before you guestion my intent, I will say I am old school and a fan of the type of system Geno runs. However, the womens games dynamics have changed so much that my fandom has wained considerable. In the present reality, objectively, it is not ridiculous that Geno has been demoted on the coaching scale. This is the new reality we are presently in.
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“Geno’s system just is not as effectve with the present type of players” This is just silly! Since our last championship, “Geno” has lost two buzzer beaters in 2016-17 & 2017-18FFs, 2018-19-lost in FF, 2019-20- canceled, 2020-21-lost in FF, 2021-22-runner up in final, 2022-23-lost in sweet sixteen! The last three years were played under the weight of the worst stretch of injuries I have ever seen! I doubt there’s another coach ever who could have produced the results that Geno and his staff did under the same circumstances! With just two missed shots and a fully healthy roster over the same time period it is not a stretch at all that UConn could easily be sitting on 14-15 Nattys now! That does not equate to a “system“ that is no longer effective!

Have things changed? Certainly! Social media, NIL money, and the portal have completely changed the entire recruiting process. Kids (especially elite players) now have to be business oriented, they are looking at decisions that could make a difference of millions of dollars! They are looking at retirement levels of money before they even have a career! Couple that with pressure from parents (money pressure) family and friends, unscrupulous agents and the never ending search for “followers” and it’s easy to see that recruiting has become an absolute minefield!

Nevertheless, some things will never change, though they may become less common under the weight of all these negative influences!
The core standards of character, team orientation, hard work, selflessness, and responsibility that Geno and Chris built their program upon all those years ago still resonate with many players and their parents. Witness our current group of newcomers, KK, Ash, Q, Jana, and Ice! All good to great players who are also great people as well! Next year’s class of Allie & Morgan (and please, please, please, hopefully Sarah:rolleyes:) are the same.

Yes, Geno has missed out on some, especially bigs, who have also had those qualities but simply chose to go somewhere else. However, all the aforementioned players who did commit, did so because of the very “system” you are disparaging! UConn’s recent “struggles” imo, are not due to a failing “system” but rather to (primarily) injuries, with a dash of parity, recruiting misses, and some bad luck!

As for the coaching scale, the relevant numbers are 11 Nattys, including back to back, back to back to back, and back to back to back, to back, 28 conference championships, six undefeated seasons, and 19 including 14 in a row, How about we see what happens when (if:rolleyes:) he gets a fully healthy roster? Until then, I’m pretty sure Geno sleeps pretty soundly in terms of where he stands on the “coaching scale”! His sleepless nights are over trying to patch together, successfully I might add, an effective lineup from an injury depleted roster.
 
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Coaches teach players to control that which they can control.
Applying that same philsophy, Kim recently became the coach to attain 600 wins quicker than anyone else.
I have little doubt that Geno employed a similar tactic to not lose 2 gamesin a row for so manhy years until recently.
It doesn't make him a bad person to control that which he can control.
It's part of the decision making process of being a coach.
 
willtalk said:
We are dealing with an entirely different WCBB landscape than just even ten years ago. Geno's system just is not as effective with the present type of players. This has even filtered down to high school and projects it getting progressively worse. Before you guestion my intent, I will say I am old school and a fan of the type of system Geno runs. However, the womens games dynamics have changed so much that my fandom has wained considerable. In the present reality, objectively, it is not ridiculous that Geno has been demoted on the coaching scale. This is the new reality we are presently in.
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I think his system is still good. He’s been burned by too many injuries in the past 3-4 years. I can’t even say his recruiting is off because of those injuries. Too hard to tell. I do think he’s missing out on some very good players that aren’t on any lists of interest from us or for us. Too picky? Don’t know, but I’m ok with whoever he wants.
 
sun said:
Coaches teach players to control that which they can control.
Applying that same philsophy, Kim recently became the coach to attain 600 wins quicker than anyone else.
I have little doubt that Geno employed a similar tactic to not lose 2 gamesin a row for so manhy years until recently.
It doesn't make him a bad person to control that which he can control.
It's part of the decision making process of being a coach.
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You should have big doubts, not little doubts. Even though Geno has joked about never scheduling 2 good teams in a row as being his explanation for the incredible streak. He never scheduled good team/cupcake/good team/cupcake. In fact, he almost never scheduled more than 1 or 2 cupcakes in a season. When he did schedule a cupcake it was often doing something nice for the opposing coach or a "home" game (see Toronto) for a player. Geno always had a very good (often the best) OOC SoS among all of the D1 teams. Most of the OOC games were clumped together because the conference schedule necessitated that. I think you should reconsider your assertion on tactics.
 
sun said:
Coaches teach players to control that which they can control.
Applying that same philsophy, Kim recently became the coach to attain 600 wins quicker than anyone else.
I have little doubt that Geno employed a similar tactic to not lose 2 gamesin a row for so manhy years until recently.
It doesn't make him a bad person to control that which he can control.
It's part of the decision making process of being a coach.
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The first game of the season has often been against a tough opponent. The one opener we lost was after a championship season, but even though he has won 11 of them that means over 2/3 of the time he starts a new season with a loss from the previous one. Lesson: if you are trying to avoid back-to-back losses you always schedule a cupcake for the first game of the season. Always. No exceptions.

You also avoid early season tournaments with a good field. Always. No exceptions.

Your lack of doubt regarding Auriemma’s intent in scheduling is breathtakingly off.
 
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