"Discouraging" ND Injury News

[terif831]

Hate to hear about injuries like this! Wishing and hoping for the best...

 

[meyers7]

Well this sure sucks for ND. And WCBB for that matter. Not a lot of teams that can give UCONN a game. Be that much tougher now.

However, if you gotta redshirt a year, this would be the year to do it. But still hope they get better soon.

 

[warbler1055]

So it seems like ND will be without Reimer and Turner. Here is hoping for their speed recovery. But Muffet McGraw recruited extremely well and has lots of good players to try out. No doubt the ND players will play with more energy and aggressiveness. UConn has played with 2 freshman in the rotation. UConn-ND will be a great white out game this Saturday.

 

[Dillon77]

Apparently it's the same shoulder. I kind of hope they do the surgery and shut her down for the year - it seems like that shoulder has become susceptible as it is. Parker's shoulder was an issue as well and IIRC she ended up getting surgery after her time in Knoxville.

Turner is a rare talent as well and it maybe it would be for the best if she ends up getting the surgery and an extra year so that she could maximize her time in South Bend. They've got talent coming in so it's not like this season is make or break by any means. I wish her the best.

And just before the season started, ND lost incoming frosh Ali Patberg to an MCL. With the early departure of Loyd, the Irish went from a guard-oriented offense to a post-orientation. Now it looks like back to a guard-oriented one, centered around Kathryn Westbeld. Hope all three -- Patberg, Turner and Reymer -- heal well and come back next year with incoming frosh Erin Boley and Jackie Young. In the meantime, lots of playing time for Mabrina and Arike.

 

[j66kicker]

So if we play ND Saturday with no Turner or Reimer and we beat them by 50, will Muffet take it personally? Should Geno go easy in the 2nd half as a goodwill gesture?

 

[WestCoastFan]

So if we play ND Saturday with no Turner or Reimer and we beat them by 50, will Muffet take it personally? Should Geno go easy in the 2nd half as a goodwill gesture?

Absolutely not. Injuries are part of the game. Miss Muffet has plenty of talent...according to the recruiting services. Next in line, time to step up.

 

[Beemer]

I know from experience how bad a shoulder injury can be and how long it can take to heal after surgery.

My best wishes to Brianna Turner for a successful outcome, surgery or not.

 

[Bigpetunia]

Ugh!! This is such disheartening news, especially for these two great kids, of course, but for the prospects for the game. In competitive sports, few factors offer as much interest and entertainment value as the existence of the most bitter rivalries. At the beginning of the season you mentally circle the date in your calendar. You look forward to that date with the most eager form of anticipation, because, after all, you "hate" the rival team. This isn't anything like playing just another worthy opponent, say, University of South Florida, just to pluck one example out of the air. Why "hate" them? But with ND, it's entirely different, where "hate," with quotation marks, of course, is the applicable word. The quotation marks speak for themselves, but indicate in large part that hate is tempered by, hard though it may be to admit, fear and respect of that rival. How can you enjoy "hating," and maybe defeating, your rival when they're at less than full strength due to injury. ND seems to be bitten by the worst luck of anyone in this regard. Most BY'ers, I'm proud to say, expressed true dismay when Achonwa went down in the stretch run a couple of years ago...now this. Too bad.

 

[huskyd]

Odd that we're focusing on ND when we have a ranked opponent tonight in DePaul. It appears that the Blue Demons have a couple of 6'2" forwards and three guards, one of whom is a pretty good 3-pt. shooter. Doug Bruno, another of Geno's very good friends (like Jim Foster), is also a good coach who has seen Geno's magic up close on the national team. Usually, UConn flays DePaul by 30 or more, but coming off a road trip with only a day's rest, the Huskies may not be as sharp as expected. On the other hand, with such great depth, UConn will probably win this one going away.

As for ND and its injured duo, this is just another blow for a snake-bitten team. It's tough enough to lose one of the nation's best players in Jewell Loyd to early departure as well as its top rated freshman, but the loss of Turner and Reimer guts the Irish interior. True, Muffet is one of the best coaches in wcbb and will compensate as well as anyone could. However, when fully manned ND would have a high hill to climb playing UConn; now unmanned its chances are stuck at base camp.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Odd that we're focusing on ND when we have a ranked opponent tonight in DePaul. It appears that the Blue Demons have a couple of 6'2" forwards and three guards, one of whom is a pretty good 3-pt. shooter. Doug Bruno, another of Geno's very good friends (like Jim Foster), is also a good coach who has seen Geno's magic up close on the national team. Usually, UConn flays DePaul by 30 or more, but coming off a road trip with only a day's rest, the Huskies may not be as sharp as expected. On the other hand, with such great depth, UConn will probably win this one going away.

As for ND and its injured duo, this is just another blow for a snake-bitten team. It's tough enough to lose one of the nation's best players in Jewell Loyd to early departure as well as its top rated freshman, but the loss of Turner and Reimer guts the Irish interior. True, Muffet is one of the best coaches in wcbb and will compensate as well as anyone could. However, when fully manned ND would have a high hill to climb playing UConn; now unmanned its chances are stuck at base camp.

The biggest game of the year, other than the NCAAs, was always going to be South Carolina on the road. These injuries to ND just mean they lose by 35 instead of 25. The good news about this year is that players we will rely on heavily next year are getting a ton of playing time - the healthy ones anyway.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Not my words, but those of the South Bend Tribune.

LINK

Key points:
Turner hurt her shoulder trying to block a shot, nearly blacked out from the pain.
Not yet known if she will have surgery.
Reimer felt a lot of pain in her Achilles after UCLA game.
Reimer is having an MRI to determine the extent of her injury.

Kudo's and honor's to the BONEYARD FANS !!!!
"ND IS A COMPETITOR NOT AN ENEMY" BONEYARD-ER'S PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK FOR BEING WBB FANS AND NOT CUT THROATS. NO ONE GLOATING OVER THIS ONE I"M IMPRESSED BY YOUR COMPASSION.

 

[OldAlum]

If Turner's injury is painful but not something that would be made worse by movement, think they could try a "Willis Reed"?
Have her come out and unexpectedly start. Not able to do much but be a psychological boost. Would work better if they were at home tho...

 

[huskeynut]

If Turner's injury is painful but not something that would be made worse by movement, think they could try a "Willis Reed"?
Have her come out and unexpectedly start. Not able to do much but be a psychological boost. Would work better if they were at home tho...

I guess it will depend on the MRI/ tests being done. But I would not want ND to do a Willis Reed on Turner. Not fair to her and her long term health.

If her shoulder is in that bad shape, she should opt for the surgery or what ever corrective action is needed.

 

[Kibitzer]

If Turner's injury is painful but not something that would be made worse by movement, think they could try a "Willis Reed"?
Have her come out and unexpectedly start. Not able to do much but be a psychological boost. Would work better if they were at home tho...

It would work better if Turner had someone to emulate Walt Frazier. In the "Willis Reed Game," the Knicks center went on the court heroically (enduring massive pain from a hip injury) and jacked up the home MSG crowd. He even tossed in a long-range shot. Bedlam!

Then Willis sat, Clyde took over and played one of the greatest clutch performances in NBA history. IIRC, something like 36 points and 17 assists to send the Lakers down to defeat. Wow just WOW!

They still call it the "Willis Reed Game."

 

[BroadwayVa]

So if we play ND Saturday with no Turner or Reimer and we beat them by 50, will Muffet take it personally? Should Geno go easy in the 2nd half as a goodwill gesture?

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According to GENO--his team does not play the score--they play against the "game"--they meet team goals. However, he has called off his Huskies by putting in the (former) walkon's early. Has also run other teams into the ground --think Syracuse.
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[BroadwayVa]

It would work better if Turner had someone to emulate Walt Frazier. In the "Willis Reed Game," the Knicks center went on the court heroically (enduring massive pain from a hip injury) and jacked up the home MSG crowd. He even tossed in a long-range shot. Bedlam!

Then Willis sat, Clyde took over and played one of the greatest clutch performances in NBA history. IIRC, something like 36 points and 17 assists to send the Lakers down to defeat. Wow just WOW!

They still call it the "Willis Reed Game."

Clyde the glide. Just Willis and Frazier. What a team.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

It would work better if Turner had someone to emulate Walt Frazier. In the "Willis Reed Game," the Knicks center went on the court heroically (enduring massive pain from a hip injury) and jacked up the home MSG crowd. He even tossed in a long-range shot. Bedlam!

Then Willis sat, Clyde took over and played one of the greatest clutch performances in NBA history. IIRC, something like 36 points and 17 assists to send the Lakers down to defeat. Wow just WOW!

They still call it the "Willis Reed Game."

A far different era than the current "no expectations" Melo Brand era.

 

[jsloanjr]

This is so sad for these 2 players and their teammates.....Hope for the best and prepare for the worse.....Their guards will not win any Championships without these 2 players.......So Sad!!!

 

[Kibitzer]

Clyde the glide. Just Willis and Frazier. What a team.

Clyde the Glide was Drexler. and BTW, the referenced game was Game #7 for the NBA Championship. Clyde Frazier also had five steals and the LA team the Knicks beat had Wilt, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor. An epic game!

 

[geneticrex]

Bad break for ND.

UCONN fans know only too well about injuries to key players, as some of those injuries have not only cost the Huskies national championships, but severely curtailed careers, beginning with Shea Ralph's initial ACL tear, which in my opinion, ended an almost certain title, as NO team was going to stop that train.

 

[MilfordHusky]

It would work better if Turner had someone to emulate Walt Frazier. In the "Willis Reed Game," the Knicks center went on the court heroically (enduring massive pain from a hip injury) and jacked up the home MSG crowd. He even tossed in a long-range shot. Bedlam!

Then Willis sat, Clyde took over and played one of the greatest clutch performances in NBA history. IIRC, something like 36 points and 17 assists to send the Lakers down to defeat. Wow just WOW!

They still call it the "Willis Reed Game."

Clyde had 36 and 19. It was one of the most memorable games in history. The Lakers team included Jerry West--the NBA logo--and Wilt Chamberlain, possibly the greatest player ever. The Knicks had several future Hall of Famers.

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/19691970.html

 

[Frodo]

There are some on this board who may be a bit too quick to dismiss ND. If Turner and Reimer are out, they still have a core that could present some real matchup problems for a lot of teams including UConn. e.g., they could still put at least 4 and perhaps 5 players on the floor at one time who are very good perimeter shooters. They could spread the floor and make life miserable if they are making 3's. They'd have some potential matchup issues of their own on the defensive end trying to guard Stewart, Tuck, Williams and maybe Butler in the post, but ND is well coached and usually pretty disciplined. Could UConn win by 30...yes, but if Turner and Reimer can't go, but their guards are making perimeter shots it could still get very interesting. Don't write them off just yet.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Clyde the Glide was Drexler. and BTW, the referenced game was Game #7 for the NBA Championship. Clyde Frazier also had five steals and the LA team the Knicks beat had Wilt, Jerry West, and Elgin Baylor. An epic game!

Wasn't downtown Brown on that team?? Clyde the Glide was on Houston U along with the guy who took on Alcindor. I was pretty busy during those days, 60 top 90 hour weeks--developing air to air/air to ground F-111 weapon systems along with General Dynamics (Fort Worth) in South Windsor.

 

[Orangutan]

Bump for latest update. See LINK

Key quote - "Turner...will be out for approximately a month as she tries to avoid season-ending surgery through rehabilitation."

Reimer is a game-time decision for the UConn game.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Bump for latest update. See LINK

Key quote - "Turner...will be out for approximately a month as she tries to avoid season-ending surgery through rehabilitation."

Reimer is a game-time decision for the UConn game.

I suspect for Turner this is a bad call.

 

[UcMiami]

Interesting that Reimer is trying to 'play through' her achilles injury - I have always thought that was a 'shut it down until it is cured' kind of thing rather than a 'manage the pain' issue - obviously ND has solid medical/training staff so I am not questioning the choice, just not something I was aware was an option.

I suspect for Turner this is a bad call.

It sounds like the choice is to delay the choice for a month and see how it responds which I think makes sense - I suspect it is a timing of the surgery question between January and April - if it feels OK she goes back to the brace she had last year and plays the season out - if it doesn't respond/is worse than last year, then she opts for the earlier surgery. If the surgery happens in April then she may miss a few months next season during her rehab which is probably preferable to her and ND, than missing the last three months this year. Morgan dealt with the same kind of question on her knee, but a knee is a lot more difficult to manage because of all the weight and stresses involved and is also more liable to greater damage for the same reason.

 

[billnaples]

Ugh!! This is such disheartening news, especially for these two great kids, of course, but for the prospects for the game. In competitive sports, few factors offer as much interest and entertainment value as the existence of the most bitter rivalries. At the beginning of the season you mentally circle the date in your calendar. You look forward to that date with the most eager form of anticipation, because, after all, you "hate" the rival team. This isn't anything like playing just another worthy opponent, say, University of South Florida, just to pluck one example out of the air. Why "hate" them? But with ND, it's entirely different, where "hate," with quotation marks, of course, is the applicable word. The quotation marks speak for themselves, but indicate in large part that hate is tempered by, hard though it may be to admit, fear and respect of that rival. How can you enjoy "hating," and maybe defeating, your rival when they're at less than full strength due to injury. ND seems to be bitten by the worst luck of anyone in this regard. Most BY'ers, I'm proud to say, expressed true dismay when Achonwa went down in the stretch run a couple of years ago...now this. Too bad.

I think the psychology of the victory may be diminished with key people not playing or at least limited availability. Clearly UConn is no stranger to the injury bug. At various times we lost Ralph, Bird, Abrosimova, Tuck, and perhaps some I missed. In hindsight that 2001 loss without Svet and Shea may have cost UConn the shot at 4 or 5 NC's in a row. So anyway we can lament the loss that ND appears to have suffered but expect nothing in the UConn effort to change. Those who touted the recruting class of the Irish need them to step up big and fast

 

[huskeynut]

Bump for latest update. See LINK

Key quote - "Turner...will be out for approximately a month as she tries to avoid season-ending surgery through rehabilitation."

Reimer is a game-time decision for the UConn game.

Well Moffit did refer to a redshirt for Turner. This tells me the prognosis is not good and I think that is obvious. Having to be shut down for the same shoulder within a 12 month period means something serious is wrong. I understand ND's thought process but I'm not sure I agree with it.

 

[Gus Mahler]

Bump for latest update. See LINK

Key quote - "Turner...will be out for approximately a month as she tries to avoid season-ending surgery through rehabilitation."

Reimer is a game-time decision for the UConn game.

Orang: Refresh us, please: Was this injury the result of a collision or fall last year? Seems like it happened right before the UCONN game.

 

[WestCoastFan]

There are some on this board who may be a bit too quick to dismiss ND. If Turner and Reimer are out, they still have a core that could present some real matchup problems for a lot of teams including UConn. e.g., they could still put at least 4 and perhaps 5 players on the floor at one time who are very good perimeter shooters. They could spread the floor and make life miserable if they are making 3's. They'd have some potential matchup issues of their own on the defensive end trying to guard Stewart, Tuck, Williams and maybe Butler in the post, but ND is well coached and usually pretty disciplined. Could UConn win by 30...yes, but if Turner and Reimer can't go, but their guards are making perimeter shots it could still get very interesting. Don't write them off just yet.

DePaul....Part Deux