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Am i missing something but isn't tuck rehabbing an injury now? What makes you think she would be able help the current team if she had stayed? She would be a cheerleader on the bench is about it.
You are missing a lot. Morgan is rehabbing from an injury that happened near the end of the WNBA season-Sept 2016 (26 games in). If she had returned to UCONN she would not have been playing basketball this Summer and UCONN has only played 20 games. So do all the what if and gyrations you want. A healthy Morgan would have been a starter not a cheerleader.
 
You are missing a lot. Morgan is rehabbing from an injury that happened near the end of the WNBA season-Sept 2016 (26 games in). If she had returned to UCONN she would not have been playing basketball this Summer and UCONN has only played 20 games. So do all the what if and gyrations you want. A healthy Morgan would have been a starter not a cheerleader.
I don't follow wnba so she started and played a lot of mins? IMO tuck can't make it through a whole season without getting injured so i highly doubt she would make it through 39 games to win another NC. Let me know when she brings her wnba to win the championship.
 
I don't follow wnba so she started and played a lot of mins? IMO tuck can't make it through a whole season without getting injured so i highly doubt she would make it through 39 games to win another NC. Let me know when she brings her wnba to win the championship.
I will.
Please try better to make informed opinions-that one right there wasn't! UCONN played 38 games in Morgan's last CHAMPIONSHIP season.
 
So how would tuck make a 21-0 team better? 2Yrs ago uconn won a NC without tuck and when they win a NC this year without her, would that prove they didn't need her?
 
As resident lurker in good standing must say this was an interesting post to follow. Of course Geno would have loved the rotation possibilities of having Morgan Tuck around in tweaking this year's lineup and I would love some of the medical stuff a few of you are smoking who think otherwise. Now ... say, "Goodnight Gracie!"
 
As resident lurker in good standing must say this was an interesting post to follow. Of course Geno would have loved the rotation possibilities of having Morgan Tuck around in tweaking this year's lineup and I would love some of the medical stuff a few of you are smoking who think otherwise. Now ... say, "Goodnight Gracie!"

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2Yrs ago uconn won a NC without tuck and when they win a NC this year without her, would that prove they didn't need her?
Don't think so! Two years ago Morgan Tuck was in the middle of one of her finest CHAMPIONSHIP seasons at UCONN .
 
Like I said, there is no debate with you. It's not possible. You're out there beyond debate. It would be like trying to convince you water was wet if you thought it was purple. Completely different sphere of reality. You can't have a rational debate with someone who does not have rational thoughts (strictly in this situation).

I realize you don't understand how far out there you are. You don't realize the absurdity of what you said. And that is the problem.
There is no debate here because you refuse. I have tried to engage several times and you continue with the insults, not once presenting a counter. This is what I said, "This team would be deeper, but would they be better? Probably yes but I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck." That's a reasonable take, not purple water.
 
There is no debate here because you refuse. I have tried to engage several times and you continue with the insults, not once presenting a counter. This is what I said, "This team would be deeper, but would they be better? Probably yes but I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck." That's a reasonable take, not purple water.

So let me see if I can help here. I think there is some tongue and cheek going on. Meyers7 is making his case that its unfathomable that one of Geno's favorite players, all-american, #3 pick in the WNBA draft, etc... would be a detriment to any team. Also, her leadership is well regarded and always highlighted, even on a team with Stewie and MJ. That said, while experience is the best teacher, having someone like Morgan to mentor you is always a plus.

Also, did we not see Lou improve dramatically over the course of last year, and with a team that had three AA (plus a solid starter in Kia?) There are plenty of minutes available for growth and development.

I hate to be the one to mention it but the season is not over. Having Tuck for the FF (I assume they will be there) and against a possible rematch with an improved Baylor, Texas, Florida St, etc... would only improve our chances. South Carolina is a team that can beat us too if we get into foul trouble against their bigs.

So outside of your argument that it "could" have stunt some of the other players growth, which is far fetched but reasonable to mention, why would you not want her on this team?
 
So let me see if I can help here. I think there is some tongue and cheek going on. Meyers7 is making his case that its unfathomable that one of Geno's favorite players, all-american, #3 pick in the WNBA draft, etc... would be a detriment to any team. Also, her leadership is well regarded and always highlighted, even on a team with Stewie and MJ. That said, while experience is the best teacher, having someone like Morgan to mentor you is always a plus.

Also, did we not see Lou improve dramatically over the course of last year, and with a team that had three AA (plus a solid starter in Kia?) There are plenty of minutes available for growth and development.

I hate to be the one to mention it but the season is not over. Having Tuck for the FF (I assume they will be there) and against a possible rematch with an improved Baylor, Texas, Florida St, etc... would only improve our chances. South Carolina is a team that can beat us too if we get into foul trouble against their bigs.

So outside of your argument that it "could" have stunt some of the other players growth, which is far fetched but reasonable to mention, why would you not want her on this team?
I made this point earlier in this thread, as did some others, but it appears to have been lost in the discussion.

There is no way that a "healthy" Morgan Tuck would not be a great benefit to this team for all the reasons outlined previously. But since we are playing "what if" here, what if Morgan were to play well into the season only to go down with her fragile knees, UConn would be in a real pickle.

With their top post defender out and the prospect of a FF rematch with Baylor, SC, MD or another team with size and strength in the post, Gabby, Pheesa & Nat would have to go on a crash course on how to defend the post against lesser teams.

Under that scenario, the Huskies would not be as good as they are right now without Morgan.
 
I made this point earlier in this thread, as did some others, but it appears to have been lost in the discussion.

There is no way that a "healthy" Morgan Tuck would not be a great benefit to this team for all the reasons outlined previously. But since we are playing "what if" here, what if Morgan were to play well into the season only to go down with her fragile knees, UConn would be in a real pickle.

With their top post defender out and the prospect of a FF rematch with Baylor, SC, MD or another team with size and strength in the post, Gabby, Pheesa & Nat would have to go on a crash course on how to defend the post against lesser teams.

Under that scenario, the Huskies would not be as good as they are right now without Morgan.

Disagree. Gabby, Pheese and Nat (to lesser degree) would still have had plenty of minutes. The first couple games Gabby was on the bench for much of the game in foul trouble so if Tuck was around we might not have been one shot from losing. Perhaps she could have seen how to defend without fouling, which then if she did go down with injury they would be more prepared/skilled in defending the post.

Also, there is still plenty of season to go so if Gabby or Pheese go down with injury is your argument you wish you did not have them so Nat and Kyla had more minutes?
 
So let me see if I can help here. I think there is some tongue and cheek going on. Meyers7 is making his case that its unfathomable that one of Geno's favorite players, all-american, #3 pick in the WNBA draft, etc... would be a detriment to any team...So outside of your argument that it "could" have stunt some of the other players growth, which is far fetched but reasonable to mention, why would you not want her on this team?.

You lost it here. No one said that Tuck would be a detriment to this team. My answer to whether they would better if she came back was: "Probably yes but I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck."

I never made the argument I didn't want her on this team, she would be great off the bench. Like you did here, people incorrectly restate one's argument and then comment on the inaccuracy. My argument is KLS, Gabby and Collier are all better players than her. They work together seamlessly and are blowing out good teams. Their quickness is a weapon. Tuck would not improve upon that. I think you folks are underestimating our current players. The only iteration that I read here that might make sense is sitting Chong. But I think you need two ball handlers, turnovers would increase with only one on the floor. That's not the UConn way.

Disagree if you must, but that doesn't make the argument "far out." I remember getting some grief about my way early gushing about Gabby. Two months later, Jay Bilas is saying the same thing.
 
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Disagree. Gabby, Pheese and Nat (to lesser degree) would still have had plenty of minutes. The first couple games Gabby was on the bench for much of the game in foul trouble so if Tuck was around we might not have been one shot from losing. Perhaps she could have seen how to defend without fouling, which then if she did go down with injury they would be more prepared/skilled in defending the post.

Also, there is still plenty of season to go so if Gabby or Pheese go down with injury is your argument you wish you did not have them so Nat and Kyla had more minutes?
There are 200 minutes available to a team in a college bball game, a maximum of 40 per player. If Tuck came back, and was healthy, she would get 25-30+ minutes per game. That's 25-30+ minutes that somebody else is not getting.

Watching someone do something and doing it yourself are two different things. Gabby watched Tuck for 2 years, and when she got her opportunity, she struggled for several games with fouls until learning how to play without fouling. In addition, if Tuck was back, Gabby would have been a wing with Lou moving to the 2-guard. Nat would have backed up Tuck in the post. Next year, when Z & Batouly are eligible, Gabby will not be defending the post.

In addition, Pheesa would not have developed the monster low post offensive game that she has because Tuck would have been the 1st option inside on offense.

With Lou at the 2 and Kia at the 1, Saniya and Crystal would have had far less minutes and their development could have been limited as well.

Your last argument about Gabby & Pheesa going down with injury is completely irrelevant to this thread. My only point is that as great as Tuck is, she has micro-fractures in her knees that will limit her basketball playing days, and could have limited her had she come back as a redshirt senior.
 
You lost it here. No one said that Tuck would be a detriment to this team."

Then you state "I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck." I think you are questioning if she would be a detriment. Either way I don't care to get into a back and forth on words. You question it and many of us gave the opinion to your question. Leaving an All-American, team leader and #3 draft pick off your team is hard to justify.
 
You people do know that losing games is not the end of the world. I feel the same ways as geno in that this team needs a good ass kicking. So as far as tuck making the team better, she would only make them deeper because you can't get better than undefeated.
 
There are 200 minutes available to a team in a college bball game, a maximum of 40 per player. If Tuck came back, and was healthy, she would get 25-30+ minutes per game. That's 25-30+ minutes that somebody else is not getting.

Watching someone do something and doing it yourself are two different things. Gabby watched Tuck for 2 years, and when she got her opportunity, she struggled for several games with fouls until learning how to play without fouling. In addition, if Tuck was back, Gabby would have been a wing with Lou moving to the 2-guard. Nat would have backed up Tuck in the post. Next year, when Z & Batouly are eligible, Gabby will not be defending the post.

In addition, Pheesa would not have developed the monster low post offensive game that she has because Tuck would have been the 1st option inside on offense.

With Lou at the 2 and Kia at the 1, Saniya and Crystal would have had far less minutes and their development could have been limited as well.

Your last argument about Gabby & Pheesa going down with injury is completely irrelevant to this thread. My only point is that as great as Tuck is, she has micro-fractures in her knees that will limit her basketball playing days, and could have limited her had she come back as a redshirt senior.

I think game #1 Pheese took over a dominated in the post so her development and skills were pretty good to start with.... I doubt Tuck would have a negative impact. Geno often talks about wanting and needing more depth so I guess we should tell him that not having Tuck is better because than them playing 30mins a game versus 25 mins since it would have stunted their growth. Nat is the only one that argument makes sense for and since we have a potential AA and NPOY candidate coming in next year its not as critical. Its also funny how folks act as if they are UConn coaches and make statements this person would go here and that person there. Gabby is a great athlete and defender but she should not be guarding the real bigs. Tuck was/is better defending the bigger players. May not be as flashy and exciting but better. Perhaps this year is stunting her growth against guarding players she will be guarding next year or the WNBA?

Lastly, I made the point about the others going down with injury because there are a lot of circumstances to an injury. Tuck played the whole year last year and could have possibly played fine all year this year. So I was using the same argument. I guess that is not allowed but ironic when you look at Gabby's medical history.
 
You people do know that losing games is not the end of the world. I feel the same ways as geno in that this team needs a good ass kicking. So as far as tuck making the team better, she would only make them deeper because you can't get better than undefeated.

That is incorrect. Ask Geno just because you win that does not mean you can not improve (Be better.) That is a core philosophy to coaching these great teams.
 
There is no debate here because you refuse.
You're right, because it's not possible. To debate with someone both people must have the same sphere of reference. We don't.

This is what I said, "This team would be deeper, but would they be better? Probably yes but I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck." That's a reasonable take, not purple water.
As I've explained a few times now (not sure why you don't get it - well actually I do know why you don't get it),
THIS is what you said:
......And I think right now KLS, Gabby and Collier are all better players than Tuck. ....... but she would hold back this starting unit. Her role would be coming off the bench.
THAT is purple water.
 
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I made this point earlier in this thread, as did some others, but it appears to have been lost in the discussion.

There is no way that a "healthy" Morgan Tuck would not be a great benefit to this team for all the reasons outlined previously. But since we are playing "what if" here, what if Morgan were to play well into the season only to go down with her fragile knees, UConn would be in a real pickle.

With their top post defender out and the prospect of a FF rematch with Baylor, SC, MD or another team with size and strength in the post, Gabby, Pheesa & Nat would have to go on a crash course on how to defend the post against lesser teams.

Under that scenario, the Huskies would not be as good as they are right now without Morgan.

See, now that is an debatable argument. Clearly wrong, but none the less it's in the same sphere of reality, hence debatable.

Los24 does fine showing it's fallacy.

Disagree. Gabby, Pheese and Nat (to lesser degree) would still have had plenty of minutes. The first couple games Gabby was on the bench for much of the game in foul trouble so if Tuck was around we might not have been one shot from losing. Perhaps she could have seen how to defend without fouling, which then if she did go down with injury they would be more prepared/skilled in defending the post.

Also, there is still plenty of season to go so if Gabby or Pheese go down with injury is your argument you wish you did not have them so Nat and Kyla had more minutes?
 
You people do know that losing games is not the end of the world. I feel the same ways as geno in that this team needs a good ass kicking. So as far as tuck making the team better, she would only make them deeper because you can't get better than undefeated.
Very, very, very wrong. Absurdly wrong. What team have you been watching???
 
^An undefeated team thats going to win another championship without tuck! Care to put your money where your keyboard is!
 
Morgan was a great player at UCONN and was a calming influence on the court as leader. She also had a thick, heavy, and sturdy endomorphic body that allowed her to play against taller post players. Morgan was also fearless in her 3 point shooting, which allowed her to get better as her career at UCONN progressed. But, Morgan was never the shot blocker or the rebounder that Napheesa is, and was not the perimeter defender and rebounder that Gabby is. Would she have helped this team in her 5th season, of course. Would she start, probably. Would they be undefeated, maybe. I remember last season when Gabby would flash to the high post, Mariah would almost always pass the ball to Morgan if presented with the choice. In my opinion, Morgan is not the passer that Gabby is. Neither is she as strong as Gabby. And many of the higher points and higher rebounds that Morgan posted last season were due to the higher number of minutes she played. In some games, Morgan was indispensable, in other games she was steady, some she couldn't make a chippy, and when she took time off to rest her knee UCONN didn't miss a beat. Last year's team was an undefeated championship squad primarily because of Stewie and Mo. Their weakness, left unexposed was youth. Everyone else on that team was a role player. This year's team is made of role players who meld wonderfully. Their weakness is lack of depth, and it is apparent to everyone. That's why Natalie and Crystal's development is so crucial.
 
You lost it here. No one said that Tuck would be a detriment to this team.

I know, but...I'll go there. This team would be deeper, but would they be better? Probably yes but I'm not sure the starting five would be better or more effective with Tuck.

Morgan is a great player and the more good players you have the better, but she would hold back this starting unit. Her role would be coming off the bench.

Talk about alternative facts!
 
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Talk about alternative facts!
Wrong again, another failed gotcha. My statements are wholly consistent. The "starting five" and the "team" are not the same thing. Stating that a player would be an asset to a team though not a starter is not the same a saying the player would be detriment. You are being either dishonest or obtuse to make that leap.

I had a feeling that "holding back" might ruffle some. After the Baylor game, the talk was how UConn would have to attack bigger teams with quickness because they don't have the height in past years. It was a revelation. You put Tuck in there, the team's pace would slow and I'm not sure her added height is enough to make up the difference. And who sits? Collier? She just went 12-14 from the floor, she's a better low post scorer than Tuck. Gabby? You are going to sit the most dynamic player in the country? KLS' shooting is a must and you need two ball handlers. That leaves Tuck as a great 6th man. Her team play was always one of her assets.
 
You're right, because it's not possible. To debate with someone both people must have the same sphere of reference. We don't.

It's not that tough. I gave my side, you give your side. Give it a try, it's all for fun. I've tried several times to draw your reasons out, each time you decline and double down on insult. That is so lazy and easy. I'm thinking you probably know I could poke holes in anything you come up with so you just stick to personal attacks.
 
Morgan was a great player at UCONN and was a calming influence on the court as leader. She also had a thick, heavy, and sturdy endomorphic body that allowed her to play against taller post players. Morgan was also fearless in her 3 point shooting, which allowed her to get better as her career at UCONN progressed. But, Morgan was never the shot blocker or the rebounder that Napheesa is, and was not the perimeter defender and rebounder that Gabby is. Would she have helped this team in her 5th season, of course. Would she start, probably. Would they be undefeated, maybe. I remember last season when Gabby would flash to the high post, Mariah would almost always pass the ball to Morgan if presented with the choice. In my opinion, Morgan is not the passer that Gabby is. Neither is she as strong as Gabby. And many of the higher points and higher rebounds that Morgan posted last season were due to the higher number of minutes she played. In some games, Morgan was indispensable, in other games she was steady, some she couldn't make a chippy, and when she took time off to rest her knee UCONN didn't miss a beat. Last year's team was an undefeated championship squad primarily because of Stewie and Mo. Their weakness, left unexposed was youth. Everyone else on that team was a role player. This year's team is made of role players who meld wonderfully. Their weakness is lack of depth, and it is apparent to everyone. That's why Natalie and Crystal's development is so crucial.
I found this definition of "endomorphic"-a person with a soft round body build and a high proportion of fat tissue.
I find your description of Morgan as "heavy & endomorphic" to be highly offensive & insulting.
Is that what you intended?
 
Morgan was a great player at UCONN and was a calming influence on the court as leader. She also had a thick, heavy, and sturdy endomorphic body (1) that allowed her to play against taller post players. Morgan was also fearless in her 3 point shooting, (2) which allowed her to get better as her career at UCONN progressed. But, Morgan was never the shot blocker or the rebounder that Napheesa is, (3) and was not the perimeter defender and rebounder that Gabby is. Would she have helped this team in her 5th season, of course. Would she start, probably. (4) Would they be undefeated, maybe. (5) I remember last season when Gabby would flash to the high post, Mariah would almost always pass the ball to Morgan if presented with the choice. (6) In my opinion, Morgan is not the passer that Gabby is. Neither is she as strong as Gabby. And many of the higher points and higher rebounds that Morgan posted last season were due to the higher number of minutes she played. In some games, Morgan was indispensable, in other games she was steady, some she couldn't make a chippy, (7) and when she took time off to rest her knee UCONN didn't miss a beat. Last year's team was an undefeated championship squad primarily because of Stewie and Mo. Their weakness, left unexposed was youth. Everyone else on that team was a role player. This year's team is made of role players who meld wonderfully. Their weakness is lack of depth, and it is apparent to everyone. That's why Natalie and Crystal's development is so crucial.

1-- Yes Morgan was able to guard good post players. Only one player in which the opposing team was any type of thread had their way UCONN, right?

2-- Yes Morgan shot better from 3. She also passed better as well. With her passing last year - she had 115 assists and 53 tunrovers. And could you imagine how much better Morgan's numbers would have been if she had the soph Collier, the Soph Lou, the junior Nurse, the jr (and healthy Chong) and a better player in Gabby? Her assist numbers vs to's would have been much higher. What I find laughable is anyone that thinks Tuck would have held back the player's and/or team like the poster waquit believes. Collier clearly said that last year she needed to work on her upper strength. She was saying that because she wasn't FINISHING WELL INSIDE-- why? BECAUSE SHE WAS A FROSH- she needed to work on her strength. In game ONE as the poster Los24 cites, she was super. How can anyone think tuck would "hold back" Collier if Collier had already shown after THE 1ST GAME OF THE SEASON she was a force?

3-- Yes Tuck was not the perimeter defender and rebounder that Gabby is. But no one is the overall defender Gabby is, right? But Tuck was pretty darn good vs low post players like Coates, wasn't she?

4/5/7-- Who would have beaten UCONN? You mean - you meant to use a scenario that IF Morgan missed her shots vs Baylor while only giving a few minutes to Danger while Nurse would remain in a funk while Gabby would have gotten into foul trouble while Collier wouldn't do much until late -- then UCONN would have lost?

5-- While you can cherry pick specific situations of last year and define them as meaningful to you. I can remember specific plays that Tuck did -- and can easily watch the games too vs the teams last year that were potentially the biggest threat to UCONN. -- vs ND, Vs MD, vs Fla State, vs USC, Vs Texas, vs Oregon State, and vs Syracuse. Every one of these games she played well- to - great.

6-- Too bad we couldn't have Gabby passing to Morgan Tuck. And defensively who has the strength Gabby does? And on the perimeter, too bad we don't have her out there and maybe she could "grow" by leading more fastbreaks and posting smaller players and offensive rebounding more players in a half court motion offense with Nurse, Lou, Tuck and Collier?

7-- I think your statement-- is absurd in the manner you speak. A player that should have been a 1st team a/a for two years but just got one year - and you say -- Last year's team was an undefeated championship squad primarily because of Stewie and Mo.
Morgan tuck only played only 26.8 and 25.5 minutes her final two years. Mostly when Tuck was pulled - and with so few minutes played-- she wouldn't have been able to stay in late as often in games to accumulate "numbers." Anyhow last year your disregard for Morgan's importance-- I'll cherry-pick as you've done (when you said - some she couldn't make a chippy) and highlight the games I felt going in that the opposing team was a threat/rival big game. They were vs ND, Vs MD, vs Fla State, vs USC, Vs Texas, vs Oregon State, and vs Syracuse.

Morgan averaged 34.83 minutes.Other avgs - ppg 19.5. fg% 55% overall and 39% from 3. Only averaged 4.67 rebounds But also avgd 4.5 assists vs 2.67 turnovers -- which is an assist to turnver ratio for a post of 1.6875 which is terrific. Her efg% vs the top completion in the biggest games was 60.9%. That is tremendous. She was a HUGE THREAT each game - thus making it difficult to plan for Stewie and YOU are minimizing that? Do you realize the one game we lost two years ago had a lot to do with Morgan coming back from her injury. If she was healthy or had a few more games in her, Stanford doesn't win. As you cite the plays in which MoJeff didn't pass to the underclassman - Gabby- I'll cite how Morgan started to become a beast late in the game before she fouled out. Over the past year or two there was a lot of talk about how Chong was pulled. But so was Stokes -- to Tuck. And Tuck wound up becoming a beast.

Why don't you take a good look at the 2014-2015 game at ND -- while Stewie was 3-12 and MoJeff 0-8? These type of games make the opposition PLAN FOR TUCK ALONG WITH after the Stanford game from 2 years ago we saw what she was capable of doing -- thus UCONN/Geno put her in the starting lineup over Stokes.

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2014-2015/ndconn-w.html
 
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I found this definition of "endomorphic"-a person with a soft round body build and a high proportion of fat tissue.
I find your description of Morgan as "heavy & endomorphic" to be highly offensive & insulting.
Is that what you intended?

I didn't notice that before. You're right-- it is just all that and more.

You and Meyers and los24 have nailed this thread from the start.

I'm also stunned wolfdog minimized Tuck's contribution when the poster said: Last year's team was an undefeated championship squad primarily because of Stewie and Mo.

IMO that is so wrong.
 
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