Did Geno make the right call?

[browns]

It all turned out good but should Geno have fouled with 6 seconds left at the end of the first O.T. and put NCState on the line thereby taking away Brown-Turner's opportunity to hit that 3 point shot and tie the game?

 

[FairView]

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[RedStickHusky]

Geno said he didn't want to risk giving ncs a chance to rebound a foul shot or giving up a four point play. It's not like the shot they made was high-percentage.

 

[Big Fan]

I was going to ask the same question. I would have even had them make the foul before the ball was in-bounded. Avoid the chance they potentially hoist it and get 3 foul shots. The disadvantage is no time would come off the clock. The only down side is they intentionally miss the second shot and UConn does not box out - which they have done and NCS gets the rebound and somehow gets a 3. Just me but I would have fouled.

 

[Urshurak]

Yes, he did. The chances of her making that shot were small. Yup, she hit it, but still the right call.

 

[BostonCanuck]

He did make the wrong call on that one, but was otherwise outstanding on the night. Both teams were in the bonus and the possession arrow was pointing NC State for most or all of the overtime periods, including at the end. Geno brilliantly navigated his team through all of that.

The most important play of the entire game for me was the defensive stop the Huskies made in the last possession of regulation with the game tied. With seconds left, one of the NC State players drove right and towards the hoop. Paige was able to step into her lane just soon enough to force her to back it out, resulting in the rushed attempt at a three and taking the game to overtime. That the Huskies pulled off that stop without fouling and putting them on the line was as miraculous as anything else that happened last night.

 

[my2cents]

In those situations, up three , under ten seconds...most will foul. I always turn to my son, and say "Remember Amber L'orange"

 

[stick]

100% the wrong call not to foul. A foul forces the other team to execute 2 flawless plays (Make the 1st foul shot, then miss the 2nd on purpose then get the rebound and make a shot as opposed to make 1 3 pointer to tie the game)

 

[jchusky]

off course and he got away with it, now the question will be how much will those extra 5 unnecessary minutes take a toll on the team vs a team who had one day extra to rest.

 

[01Neaggrad02]

I personally hate the idea of fouling. I mean what happens if they shoot a 3 and they are fouled and they make it and get the free throw? We would lose the game. What happens if they go for a two and hit the free throw? We could lose. The only way to do it is to foul before the inbounds, but then you need to make sure they do not upgrade it to an intentional. While it put us in Double Overtime, I think the right decision was made.

 

[jchusky]

I personally hate the idea of fouling. I mean what happens if they shoot a 3 and they are fouled and they make it and get the free throw? We would lose the game. What happens if they go for a two and hit the free throw? We could lose. The only way to do it is to foul before the inbounds, but then you need to make sure they do not upgrade it to an intentional. While it put us in Double Overtime, I think the right decision was made.

never in the history of the game has a team with a 3 pt with few seconds to go fouled and lost the game with a 3 and an one. I can recall tho in 2008 Memphis not fouling Mario Chalmers, hitting that 3, going to OT and Kansas winning the title.

 

[stick]

I personally hate the idea of fouling. I mean what happens if they shoot a 3 and they are fouled and they make it and get the free throw? We would lose the game. What happens if they go for a two and hit the free throw? We could lose. The only way to do it is to foul before the inbounds, but then you need to make sure they do not upgrade it to an intentional. While it put us in Double Overtime, I think the right decision was made.

You don't foul a player in the act of shooting.

 

[RedStickHusky]

You don't foul a player in the act of shooting.

But they'll try to make it look like you did...

 

[AgStatesman]

No he did not make the right move. It is accepted across basketball now that you foul in that situation. It was a terrible job by him in that moment.

 

[bkart1978]

To foul or not to foul is the ultimate in "grass is greener" scenarios; I personally hate fouling - too many ways it can go wrong and turn into more than just two points. I say just credit the great shot and move on.

 

[RedStickHusky]

As it turned out, overtime was the worst case with not fouling. He wasn't apologetic... said he thought about it and decided against it. As always, there are a few in here that know better though.

 

[cabbie191]

Up until NCS’ 3 pointer at the end of OT1, they had been shooting <24% from behind the arc.

But they were making >84% of their free throws.

IMO, not fouling was the right decision at the time.

 

[stamfordhusky]

100% the wrong call not to foul. A foul forces the other team to execute 2 flawless plays (Make the 1st foul shot, then miss the 2nd on purpose then get the rebound and make a shot as opposed to make 1 3 pointer to tie the game)

Ken Pomeroy did a large study a few years ago on this issue and found there is no advantage of one strategy versus the other. The one drawback of fouling is that if the first free-throw is made and then the second shot is missed and back-tapped beyond the arc an opponent may hit a three-pointer that beats you.

Also as mentioned above, there is a real danger of the player initiating a shot just as the foul is committed, thus sending them to the line for three free throws. Teams need to be very careful when fouling, preferably fouling only in the middle of a dribble.

I have personally seen four or five games where an intentionally missed free-throw was back-tapped to a shooter behind the arc. It’s a tough call, which is why about half of coaches foul and about half of coaches do not.

 

[bballnut90]

I thought the bigger whiff by both coaches was blowing their timeout in the 2nd OT. Wes Moore gave up any opportunity to advance the ball if they fouled UCONN and missed FTs, and Geno using his last one (after NC State burned theirs) risked a 5 second violation which was almost called.

 

[AgStatesman]

The definitive study proving that fouling was clearly the right and only call to make in the game. You're welcome BY.

WHY IT'S ALWAYS CORRECT TO FOUL WHEN YOU'RE UP 3 LATE IN THE GAME

 

[RedStickHusky]

Another definitive study with a different outcome.. took 10 seconds. Yet another study about fouling when up 3 | The kenpom.com blog

 

[Biff]

Clearly it may or may not be the right call always, sometimes or never.

 

[TCC Kid]

Clearly it may or may not be the right call always, sometimes or never.

It obviously was the right call Uconn won. If they lost it would have been wrong. In this case, it must have been right by not losing. Everything else is just an opinion.

 

[TCC Kid]

off course and he got away with it, now the question will be how much will those extra 5 unnecessary minutes take a toll on the team vs a team who had one day extra to rest.

This is a 18 to (I guess) 23 year old team. They can run on nothing but beer for 2 weeks in a jungle. 5 days off is like a month long vacation to them.

 

[Glenn]

The KenPom analysis is interesting. He finds if you play defense then you win 88.4% of the time, lose .3%, but you end up tied 11.3% of the time. If you foul you win 90.4% of the time--but sometimes bad things happen and you lose 3.7% of the time, and you go to OT 6% of the time. Most of those bad thing take time (rebounding a missed free throw, or stealing the inbound pass). so the desirability of fouling goes up as there is less time for the bad things to happen. And it goes up if you think you will lose in the next OT (for example if your star player has fouled out). In our case it is a tough call--there was not much time and AE had fouled out, but Paige was shooting lights out.