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tcf15 said:
@AdamZagoria: UConn & Auburn will both be in this week to see 2015 Archbishop Carroll wing @_DerrickJ24_
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It'll come down to these 2 teams. Let's hope Pearl doesn't have another cookout! Recruits seem to love them!
 
get Clarke and keep it moving

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Sounds like 2015 Archbishop Carroll wing @_DerrickJ24_ may sign in the spring. Story coming.
 
I think Clarke will come in and be a workhorse off the bench next season and be a future star. Would love him. Jones to me is Sticks 2.0 which isnt a bad thing but would rather Clarke.
 
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Candyman34 said:
I think Clarke will come in and be a workhorse off the bench next season and be a future star. Would love him. Jones to me is Sticks 2.0 which isnt a bad thing but would rather Clarke.
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I agree completely. Plus, Clarke seems like he can be a defensive stopper. If Clarke were to commit this fall, I don't think we stop recruiting jones. The issue with taking both isn't whether they could play together on the Court IMO. Giffey and Kromah managed to work well together and compliment each other off the bench resulting in the National Championship.

The problem with taking both is whether there is an opportunity cost by not taking other potential recruits. With Adams in the fold, if we get Clarke and Enoch this fall, then the final slot available assuming no transfers or early entries in the draft, would be available for Briscoe, Newman, Stone, Comanche, Baptiste, Koumadje or Jones.

I would be good with Jones as the final commit in that group, but he is not deciding until the spring and we would be better off with another big first, preferably Stone, Comanche, or Baptiste in that order.

If we strike out this fall on those three, then we still have Jones, Briscoe and Newman all of who have said they won't likely decide until the spring when the transfer/early entry picture will be more clear.

Frankly, I would be thrilled with any of those three to compliment Enoch, Clarke, and Adams. Bottom line ... We are in great position - just need to close and get the commits.
 
Big difference between Stone, Jones and Newman vs Clarke, Koumadje and Baptiste. There is a lot of potential there, but I will be disappointed if we don't get 1 marquee player after a NC and locking up KO.
I would think there might be a need to look at our reputation with recruits and/or our recruiting process if we can't get at least close to a top ten player
Especially since we made a couple of them our top target.
 
David 76 said:
Big difference between Stone, Jones and Newman vs Clarke, Koumadje and Baptiste. There is a lot of potential there, but I will be disappointed if we don't get 1 marquee player after a NC and locking up KO.
I would think there might be a need to look at our reputation with recruits and/or our recruiting process if we can't get at least close to a top ten player
Especially since we made a couple of them our top target.
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Adams was the top target for the class and KO already got him. As for Clarke and Jones, who knows how their careers pan out and who ultimately ends up better, but there is not a big difference in their rankings at all. I would love to get Jones, but this belief on here that he's some kind of one and done player that I've seen tossed around here is crazy. I guarantee you if we got him guys would be getting impatient with him just like people got with Sticks. It seems like every year we go through this on the board with posters stomping their feet about recruiting and in the end it doesn't matter.
 
With the way Ollie coaches defense Jones would end up a lockdown defender with his length and athleticism. I don't really care how hard Clarke plays because you can't play for Ollie unless you play hard anyways. Jones potential is so much higher and Ollie will take him there. To me there is no debate on who I'd rather have. I hope we hold out for him cause he could play a lot of roles on this team as a rebounder, finisher playing with our guards, and versatile defender like Roscoe or Kromah was. He's my 2nd favorite player in this class next to Adams.
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
With the way Ollie coaches defense Jones would end up a lockdown defender with his length and athleticism. I don't really care how hard Clarke plays because you can't play for Ollie unless you play hard anyways. Jones potential is so much higher and Ollie will take him there. To me there is no debate on who I'd rather have. I hope we hold out for him cause he could play a lot of roles on this team as a rebounder, finisher playing with our guards, and versatile defender like Roscoe or Kromah was. He's my 2nd favorite player in this class next to Adams.
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He's not that much better to wait that's for sure......if Clarke wants to be a Husky grab him right away!
 
David 76 said:
Big difference between Stone, Jones and Newman vs Clarke, Koumadje and Baptiste. There is a lot of potential there, but I will be disappointed if we don't get 1 marquee player after a NC and locking up KO.
I would think there might be a need to look at our reputation with recruits and/or our recruiting process if we can't get at least close to a top ten player
Especially since we made a couple of them our top target.
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aceboon said:
Adams was the top target for the class and KO already got him. As for Clarke and Jones, who knows how their careers pan out and who ultimately ends up better, but there is not a big difference in their rankings at all. I would love to get Jones, but this belief on here that he's some kind of one and done player that I've seen tossed around here is crazy. I guarantee you if we got him guys would be getting impatient with him just like people got with Sticks. It seems like every year we go through this on the board with posters stomping their feet about recruiting and in the end it doesn't matter.
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I was going to make the same point. Adams is a 5 star on at least one of the recruiting sites.

As for the comparison of Stone, Jones and Newman vs Clarke, Koumadje and Baptiste, that's not the correct mix of recruits. It's more like Stone, Jones and Newman vs Baptiste, Clarke and Enoch. If they don't land Stone they'll try to land some other less heralded 5 in Bastiste, Koumadje or some other big with potential. The difference between Jones and Clarke aren't that far apart based on some that follow recruiting closely. I think Jones has the chance to be an elite college and NBA player while Clarke not as much upside at the next level, though I might be very wrong on that. As for Newman, he's a h*ll of a player and a likely one-hit-wonder, but we really don't need another guard. He's just that talented that he'd be hard to pass up. We are in need of a 4 though, and Enoch seems to be the recruit that many believe is UConn's to lose.

If Stone, Jones and Newman decide to wait till after the fall signing period, I don't see KO holding ships over in hopes to land any of these 3, nor do I think he should. My guess is we end up with Adams, Clarke, Enoch and some 5 who's name is not Stone, unless he decides to decide sooner than later. UK has positioned themselves to pick up some of these elite 2015 recruits due to their annual spring reload. The Squid can afford to hold out for these kids due to the reputation he's built there.

Maybe KO holds over one of the 4 ships. Maybe he fills all 4 but figures a 5th will free up next spring. The issue though isn't with the number of ships as it is who files them. If they land Clarke, Jones will look elsewhere, and KO probably won't want both since I think UConn needs to land a 4 & 5 in 2015. Maybe he'd take both if that presented itself and go with a 1, two 3s and a 4/5 combo. Good to see that UConn has options, but it won't take long before the well starts to dry up. Like many on the Yard, I feel a tad greedy and want to see KO pull in UConn's best class ever, but on the other hand, I'm starting to get concerned with the higher ranked recruits wanting to hold off till spring, that the next tier of recruits could go elsewhere. If Jones waits till spring and Clarke decides to go to, say, VCU, there goes our 3, or we sweat it out till spring hoping we can out-recruit UK and any other elite program that still has ships to fill. There is the possibility that UK fills their ships with other elite recruits this fall and won't have room to add a Jones or a Newman next spring, but I still don't see KO deciding to hold out for any more than one of these top recruits.
 
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mauconnfan said:
He's not that much better to wait that's for sure.if Clarke wants to be a Husky grab him right away!
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I know the rankings say differently but he is. Jones can be a top 10, elite college and nba player. Clarke is a good 4 year player but he doesn't seem to have that athleticism to really excel at the next level. Ones a Rudy Gay (I know he doesn't have the best rep around here but imagine him with the guards we have now?) and the other is a Lasan Kromah. Clarke is a 6'5 SF who seems to have a great game but is physically limited. He makes up for it through his great motor but that gets you so far. Jones is that elite level athlete that can really make that leap under Ollie's coaching to becoming a UConn great. Especially playing with guards who will allow him to play off ball and not have a lot of dribbling responsibilities like Rudy did.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I know the rankings say differently but he is. Jones can be a top 10, elite college and nba player. Clarke is a good 4 year player but he doesn't seem to have that athleticism to really excel at the next level. Ones a Rudy Gay (I know he doesn't have the best rep around here but imagine him with the guards we have now?) and the other is a Lasan Kromah. Clarke is a 6'5 SF who seems to have a great game but is physically limited. He makes up for it through his great motor but that gets you so far. Jones is that elite level athlete that can really make that leap under Ollie's coaching to becoming a UConn great. Especially playing with guards who will allow him to play off ball and not have a lot of dribbling responsibilities like Rudy did.
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Too tempting to not point out the obvious.

One of those players referenced was a key player on a championship team- and showed some stellar athleticism in the process. The other wasn't.

I won't speak for anyone else but if Clarke can give four years of what Kromah gave this year, sign me up. Even if it takes Clarke four years to reach that level, I'll take it. Clarke has the combination of athleticism and tenacity that Burrell, DePriest, Kromah and several of fans' favorite Huskies.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Too tempting to not point out the obvious.

One of those players referenced was a key player on a championship team- and showed some stellar athleticism in the process. The other wasn't.

I won't speak for anyone else but if Clarke can give four years of what Kromah gave this year, sign me up. Even if it takes Clarke four years to reach that level, I'll take it. Clarke has the combination of athleticism and tenacity that Burrell, DePriest, Kromah and several of fans' favorite Huskies.
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One was a role player on a championship team and the teams 5th best player at best. The other was the best player on a team that was #1 all year and went to the elite 8 and was a huge reason we got guys like Sticks and Roscoe because of his presence in the NBA. Two more wings that lead us to a final four and a ring. So I'll take the guy who can be one of the best players on the team and in the nation while still giving us a great chance to win it all.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I know the rankings say differently but he is. Jones can be a top 10, elite college and nba player. Clarke is a good 4 year player but he doesn't seem to have that athleticism to really excel at the next level. Ones a Rudy Gay (I know he doesn't have the best rep around here but imagine him with the guards we have now?) and the other is a Lasan Kromah. Clarke is a 6'5 SF who seems to have a great game but is physically limited. He makes up for it through his great motor but that gets you so far. Jones is that elite level athlete that can really make that leap under Ollie's coaching to becoming a UConn great. Especially playing with guards who will allow him to play off ball and not have a lot of dribbling responsibilities like Rudy did.
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You definitely know your stuff usually but I think you are a little off on this one. Clark is a very, very good athlete. He is quick and explosive. He is not Jones, who is arguably the best athlete in his class, but athleticism is not his weakness. Kromah is a good comparison, but he seems like a more athletic Kromah. Clark has an ugly set shot right now and that seems to be his limitation. I don't like the Gay comparison either. Gay had much better ball skills than Jones at the same time.
 
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I just know there are 3 guys that IMO are must gets in Adams, Jones, and Enoch. I plan on us having 5 school lies available after this season (I just can't see Purvis with all his talent coming back next year because the nba doesn't like old guys) and any combination of Stone/Newman/Baptist/Clarke/Christ/Briscoe would be peaches. If it's the former two boy would his team be LOADED. Don't even know how we would find minutes for everybody.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
One was a role player on a championship team and the teams 5th best player at best. The other was the best player on a team that was #1 all year and went to the elite 8 and was a huge reason we got guys like Sticks and Roscoe because of his presence in the NBA. Two more wings that lead us to a final four and a ring. So I'll take the guy who can be one of the best players on the team and in the nation while still giving us a great chance to win it all.
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I love both Sticks and Scoe but I'm not sure either of them led us anywhere, and in any event Roscoe surely didn't lead us anywhere as a wing.

Clarke is being criminally underrated around here. People do realize 247 ranks him #40 and Jones #30 right? Not a huge gap. This is not an "I hope he can become Kromah when he's a senior" bench guy, this is a Top 50 recruit who will be an excellent player.
 
HuskyWarrior611 said:
I just know there are 3 guys that IMO are must gets in Adams, Jones, and Enoch. I plan on us having 5 school lies available after this season (I just can't see Purvis with all his talent coming back next year because the nba doesn't like old guys) and any combination of Stone/Newman/Baptist/Clarke/Christ/Briscoe would be peaches. If it's the former two boy would his team be LOADED. Don't even know how we would find minutes for everybody.
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Can you imagine a second unit of guards JR Cassel/ JR/Samuels/ FR Adams wings FR Jones/ SR Calhoun Bigs SR Nolan/JR Facey/SO Lubin. This could be a UK situation where the second unit has a top 25 lineup.
 
I agree that Jones has a little better upside than Clarke but Clarke is a really good athlete and has one of the best motors in the class. I don't like the Gay=Jones comparison or the Kromah=Clarke comparison. I get your point about Gay and I'm a big Rudy fan but he wasn't the best player on that team, Marcus Williams was.
 
selles said:
I love both Sticks and Scoe but I'm not sure either of them led us anywhere, and in any event Roscoe surely didn't lead us anywhere as a wing.

Clarke is being criminally underrated around here. People do realize 247 ranks him #40 and Jones #30 right? Not a huge gap. This is not an "I hope he can become Kromah when he's a senior" bench guy, this is a Top 50 recruit who will be an excellent player.
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I think Clarke is going to be an impact player from year due to his energy and motor. However, if it turns out his floor is Kromah as a senior, the program still has gotten a very good player.

It was either earlier in this thread or in another thread where I said Clarke is one of those players that Cincy and Marquette always had that drove us fans nuts. They were all over the place creating havoc.

Heck, if Clarke commits UConn can *finally* bring back the 2-2-1 press.
 
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superjohn said:
I agree that Jones has a little better upside than Clarke but Clarke is a really good athlete and has one of the best motors in the class. I don't like the Gay=Jones comparison or the Kromah=Clarke comparison. I get your point about Gay and I'm a big Rudy fan but he wasn't the best player on that team, Marcus Williams was.
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Well played "I'm a big Rudy fan". Well played.
 
walker11 said:
You definitely know your stuff usually but I think you are a little off on this one. Clark is a very, very good athlete. He is quick and explosive. He is not Jones, who is arguably the best athlete in his class, but athleticism is not his weakness. Kromah is a good comparison, but he seems like a more athletic Kromah. Clark has an ugly set shot right now and that seems to be his limitation. I don't like the Gay comparison either. Gay had much better ball skills than Jones at the same time.
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I'm sorry I just saw a recent Chris Clarke highlight and he is much longer and athletic than I remembered when I first watched him. I would still prefer jones over him but it's not as big of a gap as I was thinking before.

Also by ball skills do you mean handling? Cause if you do I don't think so. I actually think Jones has much better handle than Rudy did at the same time. Rudy used to play center in high school. Rudy was bigger weight wise than a Jones coming out but handle is something he struggles with even today.
 
Rudy has never been a plus ball handler but he could shoot, even a pull up off a few dribbles and I don't think Jones has that yet.
 
selles said:
I love both Sticks and Scoe but I'm not sure either of them led us anywhere, and in any event Roscoe surely didn't lead us anywhere as a wing.

Clarke is being criminally underrated around here. People do realize 247 ranks him #40 and Jones #30 right? Not a huge gap. This is not an "I hope he can become Kromah when he's a senior" bench guy, this is a Top 50 recruit who will be an excellent player.
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Sticks definitely had a huge part in us making the final four in 2009 playing like a lottery pick that tournament by taking advantage of his length and athleticism through finishing around the basket, rebounding, and great defense. I see jones contributing the same way except better handle and a better jumpshot. Also no confident issues. But Clarke would play like Kromah did as a senior his freshman year. I definitely wouldn't make the comparison to Kromah as a freshman since I don't think none of us seen him play his freshman year.

Roscoe was an elite defender and great rebounder on the 2011 championship team. Played a huge role by making it hard on guys like Leonard, Williams, and Jones during that run. Which is why I would want Jones so much in that same light on the defensive end because of his length and athleticism. Combine that with our weight room and Ollie's defensive principles and we would have one elite defender.
 
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