Delany on East Coast pre-expansion push: espn

[Stinger92860]

I could've sworn that the agreement was that if a B1G school was in your state that BTN would be on basic tier cable.

Syracuse would more or less give the same bump as UConn in addition to Rutgers in NYC too.

Please explain how Cuse gives the same bump? We have TV sets in the NYC DMA, they do not. We are 3.5 times the size of the Cuse DMA. They have 0 household in NYC DMA. We clearly give more in NYC, no question.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't really want to argue the merits of Cincinnati. That was kind of a throwaway comment I made, but Cincinnati has a big enrollment with a very well respected grad school, a lot of alumni, and a respectable endowment. More importantly to the SEC though, they have shown they can get it done on the court and the field. The SEC is unlike the other majors in that winning really, really matters, moreso than markets.

The Pac 12 doesn't care that Colorado's football program was euthanized years ago, or that Utah has grossly disappointed in football. The Big 10 was obviously not going for an athletic splash when it invited Rutgers and Maryland. On the other hand, the SEC would never add a program that it didn't think was nationally competitive.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Cinny is actually Louisville Natural rival and a possible WV partner ,
They get in the ACC or Big 12 before us.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I could've sworn that the agreement was that if a B1G school was in your state that BTN would be on basic tier cable.

Syracuse would more or less give the same bump as UConn in addition to Rutgers in NYC too.

What part of the B1G seeking state flagship U.'s isn't sinking in?

 

[huskyrob1]

I generally agree, but Mizzou is a very conflicted place. St. Louis is absolutely Big Ten country, borders Illinois and has tons of Chicago connections. In fact Mizzou itself gets tons of kids from Chicago. KC is Big XII (Big 8 before that) central, and while the Big 10 has some appeal, not as much. Springfield and the Ozarks are probably a good fit for the SEC. So I'm not sure how quickly they would leave, if at all. If Mizzou and Kansas were going to the B1G, it would be pretty fast. Mizzou and UConn? Missouri can fit anywhere. It borders two B1G states, two SEC states and three Big XII states (with Iowa counting).

People don't often think of it this way, but St. Louis is about the same distance from each of Chicago, Indianapolis, Memphis and Nashville. Springfield is closer to Fayetteville, Arkansas than to KC or St. Louis. U Arkansas is quite popular in southern MO (my 2nd cousin from Carthage MO decided to go there).

St Louis is not B1G country, at least the sports anchors at the local TV stations don't think so. When they cover college football it's all about SEC and the Big 12. Yes, they border Illinois but they could care less about Illinois football, their reporting is all about the Razorbacks, the Missouri Tigers, the Sooners, and even the Longhorns.

 

[Bayareahusky]

Yeah agreed on St Lou, husky rob, one doesn't need to go too far south of st louis to get into backwoods redneck country...... I remember one of my several trips south on rte 44 south through Rolla and Springfield, that stretch was the only geography where I couldn't tune in a single rock station.... it was all country music.... and not a good big 10 fit.....

On another thought...... it is surprising how many big 10 schools i saw tonight on USNWR academic list were ranked well below UConn...... schools I had thought were really good...... U Iowa, and U Nebraska come to mind..... but there were others there as well.... of course UMD and the College of New Jersey. We would be a good addition

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Please explain how Cuse gives the same bump? We have TV sets in the NYC DMA, they do not. We are 3.5 times the size of the Cuse DMA. They have 0 household in NYC DMA. We clearly give more in NYC, no question.

What part of the B1G seeking state flagship U.'s isn't sinking in?

Lol, there's no need to get so butt hurt by claiming Syracuse would be just as suitable of a member as UConn.

The only part that needs to sink in is the B1G is interested in who can make them the most money. Hell if a community college got BTN at their desired rate in NYC, they'd take them.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Lol, there's no need to get so butt hurt by claiming Syracuse would be just as suitable of a member as UConn.

The only part that needs to sink in is the B1G is interested in who can make them the most money. Hell if a community college got BTN at their desired rate in NYC, they'd take them.

Keep your mind off my butt thank you very much.

 

[HuskyHawk]

St Louis is not B1G country, at least the sports anchors at the local TV stations don't think so. When they cover college football it's all about SEC and the Big 12. Yes, they border Illinois but they could care less about Illinois football, their reporting is all about the Razorbacks, the Missouri Tigers, the Sooners, and even the Longhorns.

Sure, now it is because Mizzou is in the SEC. A few years ago the SEC was a distant thought. There are a lot of Illini alumni in St. Louis. Prior to the move it was all Big XII and secondarily B1G, with maybe a little SEC.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yeah agreed on St Lou, husky rob, one doesn't need to go too far south of st louis to get into backwoods redneck country. I remember one of my several trips south on rte 44 south through Rolla and Springfield, that stretch was the only geography where I couldn't tune in a single rock station.... it was all country music.... and not a good big 10 fit.....

On another thought. it is surprising how many big 10 schools i saw tonight on USNWR academic list were ranked well below UConn. schools I had thought were really good. U Iowa, and U Nebraska come to mind..... but there were others there as well.... of course UMD and the College of New Jersey. We would be a good addition

Absolutely...that's why it is split. My law school roommate was from Boliver outside Springfield. He was rich, but a self described redneck hillbilly from the Ozarks.

 

[Sea Goat]

The New York City DMA, which is bizarrely conceded to Rutgers by the media, includes about a million people who reside inside of the Connecticut state borders.

It also includes Westchester, Putnam, Dutchess and Suffolk Counties that, if anything, would be more predisposed to Connecticut than RU.

Like me - Unless they were playing UConn, I wouldn't watch Rutgers at the point of a gun.

 

[B1GEast]

Cinny is actually Louisville Natural rival and a possible WV partner ,
They get in the ACC or Big 12 before us.

there's absolutely no way IMO that cincy would get the nod over us to the acc, none. the 12 makes too much sense and they should have grabbed ville and cincy when they had the chance.

 

[JayRU09]

If Cincy gets into the ACC over UCONN if both were available, then I don't know what to say to you guys. Burn everything down. ESPN, North Carolina, Boston College, everything. Just go scorched earth on anything connected to the ACC.

 

[WestHartHusk]

If Cincy gets into the ACC over UCONN if both were available, then I don't know what to say to you guys. Burn everything down. ESPN, North Carolina, Boston College, everything. Just go scorched earth on anything connected to the ACC.

We can start with B.C. right?

On a side note, the North Carolina schools are about our only allies inthe ACC.

 

[JayRU09]

Yeah but **** Duke.

 

[upstater]

If Cincy gets into the ACC over UCONN if both were available, then I don't know what to say to you guys. Burn everything down. ESPN, North Carolina, Boston College, everything. Just go scorched earth on anything connected to the ACC.

It's at that point that the Gov. tells ESPN that every year of UConn's AD losing $20m in TV revenues is another year of ESPN forgoing tax rebates.

 

[MarbleheadHusky]

Unless there is a NCAA rule change the only way to make 15 schools work is to have unbalanced divisions - the scheduling implications of that makes the idea very unattractive to most schools.

The situation with 11 schools is a bit different in that they didn't need to split into divisions until Nebraska joined and this also allowed them to host a CCG.

I believe that this rule change is about to occur, no? Lets say for a moment, that it does pass. Each League can then select their two opponents for the Championship Game as they choose. I think 15 is a GREAT number for UConn fans. Here is why, taking the BIG 10 example.

EAST
1. UConn
2. Rutgers
3. Penn State
4. Maryland
5. Indiana

MIDEAST
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Michagan State
4. Northwestern
5. Purdue

MIDWEST
1. Wisconsin
2. Minnesota
3. Iowa
4. Nebraska
5. Illinois

In Football, the eventual move is to a 9 game schedule. This 15 Team League sets up perfectly. You play your four (4) division opponents every year and you play a Home/Away series with the another divisions (5) opponents, rotating after every 2 seasons of play. That way, traditional rivalries can be maintained and you play everyone in your conference at least every third year.

In Basketball, I like it even better. You play both a Home and Away game within your Division (8 Games) and each opponent in the other Divisions once (10 Games). A perfectly balanced 18 game schedule where everyone plays eachother at least once.

Hypothetically in the ACC, it may work even better. The football powers get to play each other every year. Basketball wise, the East and Mid-Atlantic maintain their traditional rivalries. It is a great set up for everyone.

EAST
1. UConn
2. Boston College
3. Syracuse
4. Pitt
5. Wake Forest

Mid-Atlantic
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. NC State
4. Virginia
5. Virginia Tech

South
1. Miami
2. Florida State
3. Georgia Tech
4. Clemson
5. Louisville

By allowing Conferences to chose their Championship Game as they see fit in Football, a 15 team Conference is easily doable over a 14 team setup, in my opinion. If this shoe shall drop, I think it is our ticket in to greener pastures...

OK, back to WORK!

 

[The Funster]

Cinny is actually Louisville Natural rival and a possible WV partner ,
They get in the ACC or Big 12 before us.

Yes, the smart play would have been Cincy and L'ville to the Big 12 and UConn to the ACC. It would have gotten the Big 12 to 14 and given WVU two local schools. UConn would have been a good fit for the ACC.

However, that would have required a cooperative, logical discussion about what is in the best interests of all the parties involved. Granted, the Big 12 wants their autonomy and doesn't want to add schools that supposedly won't add equivalent value. OK, but don't they see what is going to happen with the P5 split? Do they really think that they can split away as the P5 and still have their own little fiefdoms? If they want the P5 split to really work the conferences would have to be willing to give up some of their autonomy and bargain TOGETHER to maximize the $$$$$. That would mean some cooperative conference realignment has to happen. IMO, to have the P5 breakaway AND have each the P5 remain autonomous (and at times predatory towards each other) is counter intuitive.

 

[MarbleheadHusky]

How could I forget ND??? Oh well, you get the picture. In ACC for Basketball you go to 4 pods of 4. Football is as stated up top.

 

[Stinger92860]

Lol, there's no need to get so butt hurt by claiming Syracuse would be just as suitable of a member as UConn.

The only part that needs to sink in is the B1G is interested in who can make them the most money. Hell if a community college got BTN at their desired rate in NYC, they'd take them.

No one is butt hurt, it's just that your view is not backed by facts.

 

[SubbaBub]

That's the goal to get BTN onto basic cable, but Syracuse isn't in the NYC metro which is the only market in NY the B1G cares about. Syracuse won't bring you that and someone else said it before.....if people were afraid of UCONN post Calhoun, they're even more terrified of Syracuse post-Boeheim. Once he's gone that's it for Cuse. No recruiting base, snowiest city in America, small private school, an island in its own conference already.

The ACC's moves have all been for quick gains, and Pittsburgh for some reason. But Cuse and the Ville were short term moves. ACC/ESPN will keep pointing to the Duke vs. Cuse rating during the regular season, but let's see how it is five years from now. Let's see how it is in the post Boeheim era. Don't have much hope for them.

You forgot crumbling Carrier Dome, which is how Southern Canada got on the map in the first place.

 

[JayRU09]

Boston College and Maryland are closer to NYC than Syracuse.

 

[huskyrob1]

If Cincy gets into the ACC over UCONN if both were available, then I don't know what to say to you guys. Burn everything down. ESPN, North Carolina, Boston College, everything. Just go scorched earth on anything connected to the ACC.

There are a lot of schools in the ACC that I think feel that UCONN basketball in the ACC would negatively effect recruiting for them. Not Duke or UNC, they'll always get their players, but I can see several schools voting against UCONN just for that reason. Unfortunately, for them, Swofford/ESPN maybe forced to invite UCONN anyway despite their objections. I mean UCONN in the B1G knocks the ACC out of the NYC AND New England markets in one shot, and don't think Jim Delaney doesn't know this. Keep in mind I'm talking basketball/MSG here. Remember also that Delaney, even though he knows full well that football drives the bus, he has big time roots in basketball (grew up in sight of the Manhattan skyline) and would love to get the B1G tournament in MSG. It's not football dollars but it's close.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

No one is butt hurt, it's just that your view is not backed by facts.

Mr. Delany? Is that you?

Nobody has any idea what's going to happen. But claiming that Syracuse doesn't have similar pull in NYC is just idiotic.

 

[JayRU09]

They don't.

Us vs. Louisville doubled their rating on the same night they went against WVU in NYC.

In basketball they do, but UCONN's basketball ratings are I believe higher than theirs.

 

[Ldandy]

Good questions. Very good. I think both would have been solid adds. But did Delany hold out for Virginia and North Carolina? That would have brought the B1G to 16.

IMO yes. I think he believed that by grabbing UMD he could destabilize The ACC enough to get the realignment wheel spinning full speed again. If suddenly Clemson, FSU, GT, and Miami were looking at the Big 12 and NCST and VPI were looking at the SEC, he might have been able to pluck UNC and UVA. It didn't work as the conference quickly back filled with Louisville and added a scheduling agreement with ND to further placate the football schools.

Ultimately I think there was interest on UVA's side but not so much UNC. Without an immediate school to pair with UVA. I think Delany got cold feet and things cooled down between both sides. In the end I think UNC's identity is too attached to being the face of the ACC to depart the conference w/o its complete collapse already having taken place. I think the ACC survives as long as ESPN wants it to.

What will be interesting to watch is if several years pass and B1G Schools are making 15mil+ more a year than their ACC Rivals, with The ACC Network still a potential idea not a functioning platform, I could see UVA making the move. I would be perfectly ok with The B1G going to 15 in 2017 with perhaps a look in built in for expansion in a few years.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I believe that this rule change is about to occur, no? Lets say for a moment, that it does pass. Each League can then select their two opponents for the Championship Game as they choose. I think 15 is a GREAT number for UConn fans. Here is why, taking the BIG 10 example.

EAST
1. UConn
2. Rutgers
3. Penn State
4. Maryland
5. Indiana

MIDEAST
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Michagan State
4. Northwestern
5. Purdue

MIDWEST
1. Wisconsin
2. Minnesota
3. Iowa
4. Nebraska
5. Illinois

In Football, the eventual move is to a 9 game schedule. This 15 Team League sets up perfectly. You play your four (4) division opponents every year and you play a Home/Away series with the another divisions (5) opponents, rotating after every 2 seasons of play. That way, traditional rivalries can be maintained and you play everyone in your conference at least every third year.

In Basketball, I like it even better. You play both a Home and Away game within your Division (8 Games) and each opponent in the other Divisions once (10 Games). A perfectly balanced 18 game schedule where everyone plays eachother at least once.

Hypothetically in the ACC, it may work even better. The football powers get to play each other every year. Basketball wise, the East and Mid-Atlantic maintain their traditional rivalries. It is a great set up for everyone.

EAST
1. UConn
2. Boston College
3. Syracuse
4. Pitt
5. Wake Forest

Mid-Atlantic
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. NC State
4. Virginia
5. Virginia Tech

South
1. Miami
2. Florida State
3. Georgia Tech
4. Clemson
5. Louisville

By allowing Conferences to chose their Championship Game as they see fit in Football, a 15 team Conference is easily doable over a 14 team setup, in my opinion. If this shoe shall drop, I think it is our ticket in to greener pastures...

OK, back to WORK!

Good post. For the ACC, Wake might be pissed but no one cares what Wake thinks.

 

[Ldandy]

1) Agree but his lack of a filter did provide at least some insight into behind the scenes discussions.

2) Agree that Mizzou and Kansas were more of interest to him personally rather than the B1G leadership as a whole otherwise both would have been invited.

3) The future of B1G expansion lies to the East. The only B1G expansion to the West would have to involve Texas. Do you agree with this perspective?

Yes I agree. There is way too much money to potentially be made with Texas as a part of the conference. That said The B1G is not going to change its rules for UT. Would Texas ever subjugate themselves to be in a conference where their vote no longer carried as much weight as all of the other members combined? Could they accept making the same amount of TV money as Purdue or Northwestern? Even if that amount was more than what they were receiving on their own LHN? I'm not so sure.

 

[Bonz_44]

They don't.

Us vs. Louisville doubled their rating on the same night they went against WVU in NYC.

In basketball they do, but UCONN's basketball ratings are I believe higher than theirs.

Let's compare apples to apples?

Pinstripe Bowl ratings
2011 Cuse 2.63 vs 2012 RU 2.1 (down 20%)
2013 Cuse 3.5 vs 2014 RU 3.2

Syracuse and Uconn generate more interest in NYC than RU....

 

[pj]

On the other hand, Ky has plenty of Midwestern states on its border: In, Oh, Ill, Mo - who's to say they can't go BIG? Ky basketball has long depended on Chicago Land talent, esp in the modern era.

Kentuckiana & the Ohio River Valley (ORV), & I'm kindly limiting this list to IU, Cincy, OSU, Lville, Ky, & Xavier, my opinion, has been the most successful basketball region for a long time, but the lack of a more singular conference has diminished its value when compared to say Tobacco Road and even all of Va. The ORV has superior numbers to any other region in terms of m. college basketball: NCAA titles, Final Fours, NCAA wins, etc. The above schools, which is not all of the great basketball programs in the ORV, has 19 NCAA titles, and around 50 Final Fours. But again, that list draws from 5 different conferences: BIG, AAC, ACC, SEC and Big East. Find another region, similar radius, it won't compare.

UConn and Kentucky to the B1G is an intriguing and under-discussed possibility. It would be a huge win for B1G basketball and Kentucky is a bit more east-oriented than Missouri so more attractive to UVa or UNC if they are the path to 18/20.