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CocoHusky said:
My issue with this straw-man is that everyone besides UCONN would have underachieved not just Dawn. Here are the list of schools that have had a "crapload MORE" talent than South Carolina under Dawn.
ND.
Tennessee
Kentucky
Louisville
Duke
Baylor
Stanford
North Carolina
Texas A&M
Texas
UCLA
California
Maryland
Since Dawn became coach of South Carolina in 2008 only Blair & Mulkey have won the "ultimate prize " from this list of schools . So if your definition of great is achieving the ultimate prize that would put Hatchell =Tara =Blair =Muffett=Frese=Peck (all great?) < Mulkey ?? Sorry I'm not buying that.
Dawn has built a great program in a place where Women's basketball was barely an afterthought.
Dawn will probably be the next Olympic Coach if/when Geno decides to hang it up. Only great coaches get to coach US Olympic team-except Ann Donovan in 2008 who we can surely agree was a mistake.
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Coco - I like the way you presented your argument and I have to agree with the comparisons with all those teams/coaches.
Everyone agrees that Dawn was one of the greatest players of all time. She is a very good coach, but does not get to great yet (IMO) on such a short resume. Remember, (even though it was previously Temple) she has been a head coach for awhile. IMHO she could be on that path to greatest, but she has not reached the destination yet. She has a ton of talent this year and the next few years too. Let's talk then.
 
CocoHusky said:
Dawn will probably be the next Olympic Coach if/when Geno decides to hang it up. Only great coaches get to coach US Olympic team-except Ann Donovan in 2008 who we can surely agree was a mistake.
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Sorry Coco:

My first day in an introduction to logic class (those many years ago at Hunter College)
my professor taught some basic, often made errors called fallacies.
You conclusion was a classic example

Dawn will be....coach...
Only great coaches get to...
therefore: Dawn must therefore be great (implied)

Total nonsense as well as a classic error in correct thought and assumptions
 
I have no problem with what coach Staley said. South Carolina has National Championship potential. If the coach doesn't expect them to play at a high standard, then the coach doesn't believe in the team. Champions have to act (think, plan, and play) like champions before they are champions. Coach is trying to get her players to play to at a high clip. All about having standards and expectations.
 
msf22b said:
Sorry Coco:

My first day in an introduction to logic class (those many years ago at Hunter College)
my professor taught some basic, often made errors called fallacies.
You conclusion was a classic example

Dawn will be....coach...
Only great coaches get to...
therefore: Dawn must therefore be great (implied)

Total nonsense as well as a classic error in correct thought and assumptions
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Logic at Hunter College? How could I possibly argue with that? Except to apply the definition of great coach you stated and point out that if Dawn doesn't meet the definition no one else does either- except Geno. If your thesis is that there are no great coaches besides Geno there was no need to mention Muffett or Dawn.
 
msf22b said:
Sorry Coco:

My first day in an introduction to logic class (those many years ago at Hunter College)
my professor taught some basic, often made errors called fallacies.
You conclusion was a classic example

Dawn will be....coach...
Only great coaches get to...
therefore: Dawn must therefore be great (implied)

Total nonsense as well as a classic error in correct thought and assumptions
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Hunter College: my cousin graduated from there and my grandmother was literally born across the street at 118 East 68th.
 
cockhrnleghrn said:
Hunter College: my cousin graduated from there and my grandmother was literally born across the street at 118 East 68th.
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My mother graduated from Hunter with Bella Abzugg and my future son in law is getting his ms in urban planning there!
 
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Nice place
They let me come back (after I twisted some arms)
And finish my MA in Musicology after a 40-year hiatus, seven or eight years ago.
 
Seems there needs to be a specialty school for just about everything these days.
Years ago, someone's father or friend would take them into the woods and teach them to hunt.
Now there's a gosh durn Hunter College for it.
Amazing. :D
 
Drumguy said:
My mother graduated from Hunter with Bella Abzugg and my future son in law is getting his ms in urban planning there!
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She and my cousin would have been there around the same time, I'm sure.
 
What is Hunter College?? Where is it ? Do they have a WCBB team ? If they do... did they underachieve ?
 
triaddukefan said:
What is Hunter College?? Where is it ? Do they have a WCBB team ? If they do... did they underachieve ?
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Manhattan; UES. I don't know if they have an athletics program. I think they're part of CUNY.
 
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When you are successful one years its very difficult to match it the following year.............UCONN has always been the exception.........Since 1995.............
 
My mother went to Hunter College High School and then went on to get a BA and MA in four years at Brown.
 
alexrgct said:
My mother went to Hunter College High School and then went on to get a BA and MA in four years at Brown.
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Yay! I didn't go to Hunter College High but I did the same 4 year program at Brown (2001). Did she absolutely love it as I?
 
ochoopsfan said:
“Every year UConn is the team to beat and yes, I think we can beat them,” she said. ”
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If she really believes that, not just propaganda, she is surely delusional or smoking something really strong.
 
I am very happy when Dawn isn't happy. I, absolutely, love it when she is miserable.
 
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CocoHusky said:
My issue with this straw-man is that everyone besides UCONN would have underachieved not just Dawn. Here are the list of schools that have had a "crapload MORE" talent than South Carolina under Dawn.
ND.
Tennessee
Kentucky
Louisville
Duke
Baylor
Stanford
North Carolina
Texas A&M
Texas
UCLA
California
Maryland
Since Dawn became coach of South Carolina in 2008 only Blair & Mulkey have won the "ultimate prize " from this list of schools . So if your definition of great is achieving the ultimate prize that would put Hatchell =Tara =Blair =Muffett=Frese=Peck (all great?) < Mulkey ?? Sorry I'm not buying that.
Dawn has built a great program in a place where Women's basketball was barely an afterthought.
Dawn will probably be the next Olympic Coach if/when Geno decides to hang it up. Only great coaches get to coach US Olympic team-except Ann Donovan in 2008 who we can surely agree was a mistake.
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There is always a problem though with trying to assess the "crapload of talent" marker, as ratings services are notoriously unreliable and sometimes really biased. And I think that Staley's outstanding class of 2012 with Sessions, Mitchell, and Dozier might have been rated a lot higher than #40, #46, and #89 by Hoopgurlz if Staley had been highly successful at USCar back going into 2011-12 and not the coach who pulled in #2 Kelsey Bone to build a team around in 2009 and lost her after a season. Staley may have gotten a little boost to her 2014 class ratings of #1, #7, #32, and #35 because she was seen then as a successful coach with an eye for talent.

Sure, there are teams like UCLA that have pulled in a dozen high recruits in the last 8 years and barely been heard from, but some of those teams listed above would think that a G-c-ck team that had gotten a #1, #2, #7 and another six players in the top 50 was not exactly crappy in comparison to their own talent, but I am a little confused as to whether getting more good recruits increases your crapload or makes it smaller.
 
Dobbs

I was the original crap poster.

I wasn't necessarily thinking about HS rankings
Just considering the potential athletic ability and Basketball acumen of the players at hand in a broad-brush evaluation.

Using that vague and subjective guideline, it would appear that she has lots of very talented ball-players.

Hence my crap-load of talent remark.

And if she truly believes she can beat UConn, this year.
She thinks so too.
 
Staley certainly does have lots of talent, both that which may have been overrated in HS rankings and that like with Mitchell that was not appreciated adequately. Obviously if you are a top 4 coach you do have to put out the message that you think your team has the talent to beat UConn. But there are always a lot of questions to these questions, and after seeing the last play of the G-c-cks semi game against ND last year, there has got to be some questions on the coaching end about play-calling and strategy. There is a reason Geno's teams are 10-0 in NC games, and 6 of the 10 have been won by 12 or less points, so managing the late game action is a vital skill.
 
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Went to see Dylan perform at Hunter way back when. Know I enjoyed it. But the haze was so thick I don't remember seeing him there. ;)
 
ochoopsfan said:
Nice article on Dawn Staley and the Gamecocks.
I liked this quote:
“Every year UConn is the team to beat and yes, I think we can beat them,” she said. “If you think you can’t beat them, they’ve already won.”

http://womenshoopsworld.com/2015/11...king-balanced-approach-to-great-expectations/
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Problem is, even if you DON'T think you cant beat them, they have STILL already won! Because they KNOW they are going to beat you. They are UConn. It says so right there on their shirts!
 
alexrgct said:
My mother went to Hunter College High School and then went on to get a BA and MA in four years at Brown.
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A friend of mine went to Hunter College High School. She got her B.A. from Penn 3 years later and her law degree from Harvard 3 years after that. Smart folks there! I'm thinking my grandson might be headed there in a decade.
 
caravaggio said:
Yay! I didn't go to Hunter College High but I did the same 4 year program at Brown (2001). Did she absolutely love it as I?
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When I was a grad student at Brown, I knew a few undergrads getting their BA and MA in 4 years. I predated you by decades. I loved the school, but strongly disliked several of the faculty in my department. To say they were as would be an understatement.
 
j66kicker said:
What? Part of CUNY
Where? New York City
WBB? Yes
Underachieve? They are 2-1, but lost their first game to Kean University, so clearly they are underachievers :cool:
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They clearly were not keen on losing to Kean.
 
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