Dawn - Don't Know if We'll Raise a Banner

[Wbbfan1]

South Carolina finishes No. 1 in AP women's basketball poll

NEW YORK (AP) — Dawn Staley and South Carolina are No. 1 in the final Associated Press women's basketball poll for the first time in school history.

apnews.com

So Carolina will raise a Banner next year and they'll celebrate as if they won the National Championship.

 

[EricLA]

"Staley said she wasn’t sure if the Gamecocks might recognize this achievement next year with a banner or something else since there was no tournament".

In fairness, she said they are considering it. Still...

What an incredibly stupid thing to do. You honor the seniors the same way every other team did - by celebrating senior day during your last home game. To even consider some sort of national champion banner is beyond classless. The literally "won" nothing in terms of the NCAA championships. They merely ended the season #1.

Yay, congrats - an achievement to be sure (ending the season #1), but they didn't win the NC, and sadly, it's a classless move that we are coming to expect from her (started with the "we will hold out our hands for the NC trophy"). It looks terrible not only for her, South Carolina, but also for Team USA - since she's currently the national team head coach. How stupid to even float that idea out there.

 

[Kaizen]

You didn't win the NCAA NC hence in NCAA record you are not 2019-2020 NC. You can claim whatever you want but not in the official record. Besides, how many rank #1 AP teams did not win the NCAA NC?

 

[Wbbfan1]

The Final AP Poll is published before the F4, so if you look at the last three years, UConn was probably the #! Ranked team in at least two of the Years.

I don't think So Carolina should raise a Banner this year, for being the #1 Ranked Team. However, its there program and they can do what they want.

You didn't win the NCAA NC hence in NCAA record you are not 2019-2020 NC. You can claim whatever you want but not in the official record. Besides, how many rank #1 AP teams did not win the NCAA NC?

 

[bballnut90]

Her whole attitude regarding this is pretty poor. I think it is great to raise a banner and celebrate the team ending the season #1, but saying things like, "I don’t think it’s up for discussion who No. 1 is." is a bad look and honestly poor sportsmanship.

 

[shiverz45]

"Staley said she wasn’t sure if the Gamecocks might recognize this achievement next year with a banner or something else since there was no tournament".

In fairness, she said they are considering it. Still...

What an incredibly stupid thing to do. You honor the seniors the same way every other team did - by celebrating senior day during your last home game. To even consider some sort of national champion banner is beyond classless. The literally "won" nothing in terms of the NCAA championships. They merely ended the season #1.

Yay, congrats - an achievement to be sure (ending the season #1), but they didn't win the NC, and sadly, it's a classless move that we are coming to expect from her (started with the "we will hold out our hands for the NC trophy"). It looks terrible not only for her, South Carolina, but also for Team USA - since she's currently the national team head coach. How stupid to even float that idea out there.

So if the banner has AP/Coaches #1 2019-20 what is the problem with that? It is the truth. That is not claiming a national championship she is just recognizing her team season. If she decided to give her team rings I would not have a problem with that either.

 

[Kaizen]

So if the banner has AP/Coaches #1 2019-20 what is the problem with that? It is the truth. That is not claiming a national championship she is just recognizing her team season. If she decided to give her team rings I would not have a problem with that either.

There is no problem SC is the AP and Coaches #1 team. I congrats to SC for this.

But SC is not the 2019-2020 NCAA champion. It is the truth. Any problem with that?

 

[Gamecockfan77]

There is no problem SC is the AP and Coaches #1 team. I congrats to SC for this.

But SC is not the 2019-2020 NCAA champion. It is the truth. Any problem with that?

No one has suggested that South Carolina will hang an NCAA Championship banner.

(unless the NCAA should decide to designate South Carolina as the champion, which isn't going to happen).

 

[bballnut90]

So if the banner has AP/Coaches #1 2019-20 what is the problem with that? It is the truth. That is not claiming a national championship she is just recognizing her team season. If she decided to give her team rings I would not have a problem with that either.

It's the demeanor/attitude of "we're the best" which is just poor sportsmanship and really offputting with everything going on. I mean one of her first comments after the season ended was,
"we ended the season as the No. 1 team in the country with the best record in the country, the only team that won their regular season and conference tournament undefeated,” Staley said. “If they’re gonna pass out a national championship trophy, we got our hands out at South Carolina.”

Then says, "I don’t think it’s up for discussion who No. 1 is" a few days later.


I'm all for celebrating your team but it's such a poor move to try to flex that you're the best when the tournament cant be played, and honestly they werent the clear cut title favorite by any measure.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Everyone at South Carolina would have rather lost in the tournament than argue about the tastefulness of being #1 in the Final Polls in a year where there was no tournament.

 

[uconnfan68]

South Carolina finishes No. 1 in AP women's basketball poll

NEW YORK (AP) — Dawn Staley and South Carolina are No. 1 in the final Associated Press women's basketball poll for the first time in school history.

apnews.com

So Carolina will raise a Banner next year and they'll celebrate as if they won the National Championship.

Just give her a Helms trophy.

 

[bballnut90]

Everyone at South Carolina would have rather lost in the tournament than argue about the tastefulness of being #1 in the Final Polls in a year where there was no tournament.

Everyone at Oregon/Baylor would too but you dont see their coaches trying to flex why they're the best.

 

[Dooooooomed]

I got no problem with it. Fake Nattys are all the rage these days. I'm sure UCF can recommend a good banner-maker.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Everyone at Oregon/Baylor would too but you dont see their coaches trying to flex why they're the best.

They're not exactly in a position to be asked whether they can claim anything.

 

[EricLA]

Everyone at South Carolina would have rather lost in the tournament than argue about the tastefulness of being #1 in the Final Polls in a year where there was no tournament.

Then perhaps "everyone" should tell Dawn how her comments are in such poor taste, and as fans, request she class it up.

 

[Centerstream]

I am sure that this has been discussed, but isn't this the way the D-1 NCAA football NC was determined prior to the current playoff scam/system? Poll results named the national champions.
Under the circumstances, why wouldn't this be acceptable? We may not agree with the winner but neither did an awful lot of fans of other football teams. And we still have the same discussion even now with the football playoff.

 

[SCspur]

Please give me a break...

 

[Jmsdawg]

My take, I really like Dawn but tradition says the NC is the winner of the NCAA tournament. This year there was no tournament therefore there is no NC for this season.

 

[meyers7]

So if the banner has AP/Coaches #1 2019-20 what is the problem with that? It is the truth. That is not claiming a national championship she is just recognizing her team season. If she decided to give her team rings I would not have a problem with that either.

Well I suppose they can raise a banner saying they were #1 in week X(s). But then so can all the other teams that were ranked #1 for whatever week(s).

Doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Kaizen]

They're not exactly in a position to be asked whether they can claim anything.

Massey has Oregon as #1 this week. Does Oregon have a position to ask?

Massey Ratings - CBW

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.

www.masseyratings.com

 

[jonson]

They're not exactly in a position to be asked whether they can claim anything.

Well, Massey does rank Oregon #1 in his Power Rating, which measure the strength of a team going forward (e.g. the tournament, if there had been one), and by a fairly considerable margin over SC. He also predicts a 4-point win by the Ducks if the teams had met. Does that mean anything? Of course not, but it's as accurate a measurement, maybe more so, as the polls. And, to his credit, Graves, who certainly believes that his team is the strongest in Division One this year, isn't claiming anything.

 

[bballnut90]

I am sure that this has been discussed, but isn't this the way the D-1 NCAA football NC was determined prior to the current playoff scam/system? Poll results named the national champions.
Under the circumstances, why wouldn't this be acceptable? We may not agree with the winner but neither did an awful lot of fans of other football teams. And we still have the same discussion even now with the football playoff.

Because there's historical precedent that you have to win in the post season to earn your title. Championships put the 2 perceived best teams in the country head to head and the winner actually beat a top team to earn a title claim.. And historically multiple teams were usually proclaimed champions or co-champions since you could have multiple undefeated teams in several years and lots of politics were involved regarding who went to which bowl.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Well, Massey does rank Oregon #1 in his Power Rating, which measure the strength of a team going forward (e.g. the tournament, if there had been one), and by a fairly considerable margin over SC. He also predicts a 4-point win by the Ducks if the teams had met. Does that mean anything? Of course not, but it's as accurate a measurement, maybe more so, as the polls. And, to his credit, Graves, who certainly believes that his team is the strongest in Division One this year, isn't claiming anything.

If Oregon would like to celebrate being #1 in Masseywho am I to tell them no?

but the reality is that no one Actually cares about Massey aside from Pretty big...enthusiasts.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Because there's historical precedent that you have to win in the post season to earn your title. Championships put the 2 perceived best teams in the country head to head and the winner actually beat a top team to earn a title claim.. And historically multiple teams were usually proclaimed champions or co-champions since you could have multiple undefeated teams in several years and lots of politics were involved regarding who went to which bowl.

But there is no historical precedent for what happens when there is no tournament.

which is the situation we find ourselves in.

There will be no national champion, but I'm sure South Carolina and Kansas will recognize their teams being #1 in the final polls.

neither would do that if there was a tournament.

Both will acknowledge it's a strange circumstance and not as good as a national title, I would imagine.

 

[triaddukefan]

Massey has Oregon as #1 this week. Does Oregon have a position to ask?

Massey Ratings - CBW

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.

www.masseyratings.com

They can raise a Ken Massey Banner