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Davis & Gray Declare for the Draft

Alydar said:
S Carolina will find out how it feels when every opponent they face has the game vs the Gamecocks circled on their calendars.
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Been ther e done that for the last 3 years in the SEC. We got each teams best shot and normally their fans best attendance. We continued to be successful and I expect it would not be a shock for them.
 
sharris952 said:
With Wilson, Cuevas, Harris and Alexis Jennings you have four top shelf players who are former McD AA and/or have competed and won in USA basketball. Cliney may start or give way to talented 5 star Grissett. We have two more top 50 players and as dawn stated earlier a possible head transfer or two that may be coming in. We will be fine. It may affect us in a final four but we will have enough to try and defend our SEC crown. Our bench will be longer than it was this year and we won the National Championship. Final four involves Uconn, SC, Stanford &Miss St. who all had small rotations other than Miss St that had no All Americans. Maybe the other teams that stockpiled massive talent (Lou, ND, OU, MD) may need to step back and get some talent that has chemistry and are well coached.
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So that means Slocum is going to SC:oops:
 
Charliebball said:
Gee I[m not sure I would trade a second chance at a national championship and a college degree for $75,000
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It's not 75. Foreign money is more, so they're getting an extra year of WNBA and foreign $.
And given that both are transfers, they have already been in college for 4 years and thus likely will have their degrees this year.
 
vowelguy said:
It's not 75. Foreign money is more, so they're getting an extra year of WNBA and foreign $.
And given that both are transfers, they have already been in college for 4 years and thus likely will have their degrees this year.
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It would be interesting to know if they leave with their degrees.........I wonder if these two are good enough to get some bigger contracts overseas..............
 
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Charliebball said:
Gee I[m not sure I would trade a second chance at a national championship and a college degree for $75,000
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Your implied assumption that these girls do not have their is likely not correct. If they don't have their degree they are both likely a few correspondence courses away from it so let's not put the degree in your proposed trade.
 
Alydar said:
Speculation alert
Players get a good idea of where they will be drafted from WNBA sources. I wouldn't be surprised if DeShields found out that she was not going to be the No 1 pick and maybe not even No 2 and that it had an effect on her decision. While I see little difference between Davis and Deshields, Diamond has a history of chronic injury and perhaps WNBA teams weren't eager to pay her to sit.

And IMO Tenn will right in the middle of the race for the SEC title next year. In addition to getting Cooper back and assuming she is 100%, the obviously talented freshmen will enable Warlick to demand more effort. This year her depleted roster meant that she had little choice if a player or two gave less than their best in both practice and in games. This year she can sit them.

As for all the transfers, there are a lot of possible reasons talked about and given out by the players, the most common being "home sickness". Conspicuous in it's absence as a reason for their withdrawal is academic difficulty. Without being specific and without knowing the intricacies of the NCAA rules about maintaining academic eligibility it seems that there has been a spike of high profile players leaving programs and it started at the same time that the UNC situation hit the news. Again, it's just speculation but only a naive person would believe that UNC is the only school in the country that "arranged" classes for it's athletes. It may be that AD's all over the country, afraid of seeing their own programs being closely examined made it clear to their staff that there would be a zero tolerance of anyone involved with anything approaching what went on at UNC, and as a result any athletes in danger of losing their academic eligibility were faced with withdrawing from their school and finding another as opposed to having a phone call placed to their instructors.
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Understand that you are speculating but would just like to offer a few counter points. First, we are still talking about WCBB for the most part and although WCBB is getting to be more like MCBB the stakes $$$ are not the same thus the incentive to cheat is significantly less. Second, easier college majors have always been a part of the academic/ athletic tug a war since probably since the first dollar was made off college athletics. The en vogue major for many athletes since about 2005 has been communications. Why? Because at many schools that major can be what ever you want it to be i.e, not that hard.
Third, the scope of the academic fraud at UNC is so grand and absurd (based on UNC own report) that it must be separated from almost everything to be fully digested. How is this for absurd? Part of UNC defense is that all those no show classes were also available to the rest of UNC students therefore the NCAA should not be concerned.
Lastly academic eligibility is progressive-meaning that is always about the next semester. When you come is a freshmen eligibility to play depends on HS GPA of 2.0. or SAT >860 and or >16 on the ACT.
Your first semester grades then determine your eligibility to play 2nd semester. Just like any other student a transfer grades also follows them to the new school. So I don't thing these students are transferring to avoid the eligibility requirement as you might have been suggesting.
 
oldude said:
Not sure what exactly might cause them to change their minds. Gray & Davis are intelligent young ladies who have probably given their decisions a lot of thought and consulted with family and friends beforehand. They will leave SC with their degrees, a national championship and will almost certainly be top 5-10 in a generally weak draft class.
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They may not have expected to be champions. Once they won on Sunday, that changed their lives. Given the rules of having 1-2 days to decide to possibly be in the draft and then another 4-5 days to potentially withdraw, it makes sense to jump in and buy a little more time to be sure. I have no idea where these 2 stand on their decision, but declaring for the draft and then backing out is a sensible course in general.
 
CocoHusky said:
Understand that you are speculating but would just like to offer a few counter points. First, we are

Lastly academic eligibility is progressive-meaning that is always about the next semester. When you come is a freshmen eligibility to play depends on HS GPA of 2.0. or SAT >860 and or >16 on the ACT.
Your first semester grades then determine your eligibility to play 2nd semester. Just like any other student a transfer grades also follows them to the new school. So I don't thing these students are transferring to avoid the eligibility requirement as you might have been suggesting.
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Can't a transfer who has to sit out a year then have the opportunity to improve their grades during that time or are they considered a member of the team even though they are unable to play in games leaving the grade rules intact.....?
 
CocoHusky said:
Understand that you are speculating but would just like to offer a few counter points. First, we are still talking about WCBB for the most part and although WCBB is getting to be more like MCBB the stakes $$$ are not the same thus the incentive to cheat is significantly less. Second, easier college majors have always been a part of the academic/ athletic tug a war since probably since the first dollar was made off college athletics. The en vogue major for many athletes since about 2005 has been communications. Why? Because at many schools that major can be what ever you want it to be i.e, not that hard.
Third, the scope of the academic fraud at UNC is so grand and absurd (based on UNC own report) that it must be separated from almost everything to be fully digested. How is this for absurd? Part of UNC defense is that all those no show classes were also available to the rest of UNC students therefore the NCAA should not be concerned.
Lastly academic eligibility is progressive-meaning that is always about the next semester. When you come is a freshmen eligibility to play depends on HS GPA of 2.0. or SAT >860 and or >16 on the ACT.
Your first semester grades then determine your eligibility to play 2nd semester. Just like any other student a transfer grades also follows them to the new school. So I don't thing these students are transferring to avoid the eligibility requirement as you might have been suggesting.
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Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable as to the requirements, but when I was in school one could simply drop classes one was failing and not have them count on your GPA. For someone on an athletic scholarship that may have made them ineligible to play the next semester due to insufficient credits but by transferring and spending a year sitting, they would be able to re-establish their academic qualifications. No?
 
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Alydar said:
Like I said, I'm not knowledgeable as to the requirements, but when I was in school one could simply drop classes one was failing and not have them count on your GPA. For someone on an athletic scholarship that may have made them ineligible to play the next semester due to insufficient credits but by transferring and spending a year sitting, they would be able to re-establish their academic qualifications. No?
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Yes you can certainly do that. On the receiving end that coach would be taking a risk by putting a player on scholarship that was not eligible at their old school hoping that the same player works their way into eligibility for you.
 
SCspur said:
Hold your Horses! It's certainly hasn't been made official and neither Allish or Kaela stated the allegations are true, so we'll just have to see what happens.
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Actually, at least one has confirmed, although if they don't hire an agent (and neither has) they can change their mind up until the last minute.
 
Charliebball said:
Don't forget about Baylor and Texas for next season....no reason they shouldn't be considered prime contenders and they both just jumped over South Carolina I do believe....
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How does Baylor jump over SC? Texas I can understand due to talent but What does Baylor have that SC doesn't? They lost 4 players and we lost 3
 
SCspur said:
How does Baylor jump over SC? Texas I can understand due to talent but What does Baylor have that SC doesn't? They lost 4 players and we lost 3
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You may be right there, forgot they lost both Davis and Jones.........still, Brown really improved this year becoming a truly dominant inside presence at both ends of the floor.......... combined with Mompremier and Cox and that's a lot of size to deal with..............I also like Swanson's game and Chou was surprisingly good towards the end of the season............Richards and Morris both very talented guards coming in should move quickly into their rotation.......I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they progress...........
 
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Charliebball said:
You may be right there, forgot they lost both Davis and Jones....still, Brown really improved this year becoming a truly dominant inside presence at both ends of the floor..... combined with Mompremier and Cox and that's a lot of size to deal with....I also like Swanson's game and Chou was surprisingly good towards the end of the season..Richards and Morris both very talented guards coming in should move quickly into their rotation..I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they progress......
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Yes Brown is very talented and is going to be a force these next two years. I would like to see more development out of Cox and Mompremier. If Cox makes the leap Brown did then Baylor would be even more formidable then this past year. Mompremier needs a jump shot and focus on not being foul prone. But I don't expect them to fall off that much if at all next year.
 
SCspur said:
Yes Brown is very talented and is going to be a force these next two years. I would like to see more development out of Cox and Mompremier. If Cox makes the leap Brown did then Baylor would be even more formidable then this past year. Mompremier needs a jump shot and focus on not being foul prone. But I don't expect them to fall off that much if at all next year.
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I think it's going to be difficult for Baylor to play with 2 Bigs on the floor at the same time, just as I felt it was difficult for SC to do so.
 
oldude said:
I think it's going to be difficult for Baylor to play with 2 Bigs on the floor at the same time, just as I felt it was difficult for SC to do so.
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Yeah I think the 4 guard 1 post lineup is the way to play the game. It helps the offense flow and it allows to defend different players better. Which is why it's bitter sweet Gray is leaving because she played the 4 flawlessly. She could defend bigger players and also stretch the D to the arch offensively. I think Grissett and come in and provide the same style Gray had.
 
I don't mind players going if they are seniors academically. Not everybody wants to be in school for another year when they finally reach that point where they can go start making a living for themselves. Most women have their degrees by their third year anyway because so many of them take classes in the summer so they have extra training/development time. I think almost everyone on Tennessee's roster that is a junior or senior had their degrees by May of last year or this past December. Heck, Rennia Davis will likely have her bachelor degree by the end of the summer going into her sophomore year because of summer classes and the fact she already has an associate's degree thanks to AP classes. Draya Carter would've been a 5th year senior this past year if she played but she had her degree for 2 years already... of course she didn't play for health reasons.

Stanford, Arizona State, Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota are all teams I believe have multiple rising Juniors and Seniors that have already obtained their degrees. Kaela and Alisha both graduated in December I think too, or earlier. So I say go pro and have zero regrets, especially if you go out on top like South Carolina did.
 
Plebe said:
Who will start for Dawn next year?

Wilson, of course
Tyasha Harris also seems a lock
Cuevas-Moore?
Harrigan?
Cliney?
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I think the starting 5 will be Wilson, Herbert Harrigan, Alexis Jennings (forward who transferred from Kentucky), Cuevas-Moore and Harris. Cliney and the great incoming freshman class, plus sophomores Bradshaw and Patrick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dawn bring in a graduate transfer like she did with Sarah Imovbioh a couple of years ago. Losing Coates, Davis and Gray will certainly hurt, but we're still going to be a top ten team.
 
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cockhrnleghrn said:
I think the starting 5 will be Wilson, Herbert Harrigan, Alexis Jennings (forward who transferred from Kentucky), Cuevas-Moore and Harris. Cliney and the great incoming freshman class, plus sophomores Bradshaw and Patrick. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dawn bring in a graduate transfer like she did with Sarah Imovbioh a couple of years ago. Losing Coates, Davis and Gray will certainly hurt, but we're still going to be a top ten team.
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I saw on twitter some folks saying that Dawn talked about the possibility of adding to new players coming in.
They bring in a great wing talent in 6'1 Elisia Grissett. She is the #4 ranked wing in the 2017 class.
6'3 LaDazhia Williams will be a great player IMO. She is better than most of the front court players we saw in the AA game.
5'11 Bianca Jackson was the Gatorade State POY in Alabama and recruitded by every SEC school. She is the daughter of two college coaches. I've seen her play quite a bit and she is on the same level as most of the better known recruits.
Then they have 5'9 Haley Troup who will give some solid depth at the guard spots and she can score. Reminds of a shorter Peyton Little who played at Oklahoma.

I don't think the drop off will be as drastic as a lot of people think. Dawn got pretty good production out of Herbert-Harrigan and Harris for freshman so there is no reason to think she can't do it with a very talented class that fills in the spots Gray, Coates and Davis leave behind. It'll be interesting to see how much better Harris gets. She can score but Staley didn't really ask for it from her. I think that changes next season. SC will be top 5 I think despite their losses.
 
DaddyChoc said:
lawd I hate the pressure that is being put on Stevens and the UConn Husky for the 17-18 season
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Not that much really - just if we win it all it's because of her, and if we don't it's because of her :D And what did she expect?

That's what our great ones - DT, Maya, Stewie -wanted! (BTW I think deep down that's what KLS wants too)
 
tennparker3 said:
I don't mind players going if they are seniors academically. Not everybody wants to be in school for another year when they finally reach that point where they can go start making a living for themselves. Most women have their degrees by their third year anyway because so many of them take classes in the summer so they have extra training/development time. I think almost everyone on Tennessee's roster that is a junior or senior had their degrees by May of last year or this past December. Heck, Rennia Davis will likely have her bachelor degree by the end of the summer going into her sophomore year because of summer classes and the fact she already has an associate's degree thanks to AP classes. Draya Carter would've been a 5th year senior this past year if she played but she had her degree for 2 years already... of course she didn't play for health reasons.

Stanford, Arizona State, Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota are all teams I believe have multiple rising Juniors and Seniors that have already obtained their degrees. Kaela and Alisha both graduated in December I think too, or earlier. So I say go pro and have zero regrets, especially if you go out on top like South Carolina did.
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I don't know how some of these kids graduate in less then four years with all of their full time sports commitments ..........I played D3 sports and barely graduated after four years
 
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