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Well, I guess that’s a possibility. But even if that was the question, why exactly would you ask that question which would clearly imply that Tara is the winningest coach all time, when she’s not?
Oldude, your umbrage is justified. The actual trivia question put on the screen (as part of Coaches Night, no less) was: "Which women's basketball coach is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA Division 1 history?"

Pretty embarrassing....
 
She tripped over Carla Leite's lower leg as Carla was defending Grace Berger with her back to Paige. Carla took a step backward, and Paige, trying to get to the top of the key, tripped over Carla's right leg hitting the floor pretty hard. Unfortunate but no doubt inadvertent.
Thanks for the info
 
I believe I would shut Paige down to 10-15 minutes per game at this point. I think they should have done so five or six games ago. In fact, if I could, I’d just shut her down altogether. Nothing she does from here on out is going to make any difference. She’s already wrapped up ROY honors, she’s had one of the great rookie seasons ever, so why take any chance that she gets injured in these last two games? The only thing she should be doing at this point, is signing autographs for the fans!
 
Well, I guess that’s a possibility. But even if that was the question, why exactly would you ask that question which would clearly imply that Tara is the winningest coach all time, when she’s not?
I thought the same thing about the question. Even in my sleepiness I had to read the question again, thinking why they would even ask a question like that. When Paige made that move, I needed to see it again, but the angle didn't show how shifty she was on that attempt. If you really want to laugh, don't watch Paige but the two defenders being completely faked out. They looked like a couple of 8th graders defending on that play. Love it.
 
Oldude, your umbrage is justified. The actual trivia question put on the screen (as part of Coaches Night, no less) was: "Which women's basketball coach is the all-time winningest coach in NCAA Division 1 history?"

Pretty embarrassing....
Thanks for confirming my initial take. It’s difficult to imagine that anyone who has anything to do with basketball anywhere in the world would not know who Geno Auriemma is and what he has accomplished. But I never cease to be amazed by the level of ignorance that is out there.
 
Oldude, since I can't listen to the replay until after the game is over, are you sure they didn't ask: "Who is the winningest woman coach in the history of college basketball?
I would hope that we don't start into a dialogue of "winningest" contrasting between male and female coaches. Does it make any difference whether the X's and O's come from a female or a male? Never mind those clueless commentators, but please let's at least get real here.
 
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A lot better with Ty Harris. JJ has the same disease that Moriah had, and Chrystal had. That is running into the paint with no plan, not looking at the floor and running into trouble that they cannot get out of. The UConn guards are learning to control that by their sophomore or junior year. JJ has not learned that, so she is not an advantage for playing with Paige. Paige plays at her own pace, and the Wings have to look at that if Paige is going to be the top dog. I have faith in Curt Miller, but not necessarily Koclanes. Next year will be a new team again with many very young players. The Wings need a no-nonsense coach that knows defense, and a system that knows how to develop young players. Hmmm, Geno and CD come to mind. How about Dawn?
Koclanes is more of an assistant coach. This season shows he lacks the knowledge or experience of a head coach in integrating multiple personalities and skills into an integral unit. As far as the GM, I am afraid I am not high on him either since he picked Koclanes to coach this team.
 
Koclanes is more of an assistant coach. This season shows he lacks the knowledge or experience of a head coach in integrating multiple personalities and skills into an integral unit. As far as the GM, I am afraid I am not high on him either since he picked Koclanes to coach this team.
I think Miller has a good plan with regards to the future of the team, but I agree with you, his choice of coach was very head scratching.
 
I think Miller has a good plan with regards to the future of the team, but I agree with you, his choice of coach was very head scratching.
Multiple Head Coaching changes after this "crazy" WNBA season? Maybe
someone has been "designated" and this was an "interim" year??? Maybe??
 
Great game again last night!

Wings had outplayed the Valkyries throughout the first three quarters, then, just as many of them have turned out this season, they lose it in the end. Paige with all of that scoring, particularly late, was great to witness but not enough for them as the Valkyries made their free throws. Was hoping to see Christyn Williams, but she didn't receive any playtime, and I don't know exactly how much, but Chen didn't play many minutes either.
 
I believe I would shut Paige down to 10-15 minutes per game at this point. I think they should have done so five or six games ago. In fact, if I could, I’d just shut her down altogether. Nothing she does from here on out is going to make any difference. She’s already wrapped up ROY honors, she’s had one of the great rookie seasons ever, so why take any chance that she gets injured in these last two games? The only thing she should be doing at this point, is signing autographs for the fans!
Selfishly, now that we have had the opportunity to see that game in person, I guess I don't care as much. But, as someone whose taken two days off of work, commuted 4 1/2 hours each direction and spent in the neighborhood of $2,000 for the opportunity to see it, we personally would have been disappointed had the Wings shut her down prior to last evening's game.

It is professional basketball. She is being paid to play. From the perspective of an WNBA fan, she has an entire offseason coming up. The fans are the ones who are buying tickets to watch the games, and there is an expectation that by doing so they would see her play. That said, I think it fair to a fan if she were to only play half of the minutes, particularly if the game was not close. But if the game is in the balance, I would expect the fans would want to see a complete effort by the entire franchise, regardless of the current record. Just my opinion.
 
For Dallas. If all they have is one first round pick with out any other deals and they are stuck with Arike then for them I think the better choice is Betts. They need reliable mobile bigs who can score.

Now, if they deal Arike away (my wish) then you can take Azzi as the 2 guard replacement first and then get a different big later in the draft.
No one is stuck with Arike shes an UFA . And why always mention her when you want to backhand shade the team ? Shes leaving she owes us nothing and she put in great time as a Wing. That type of stuff has gotten old .
 
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I agree that Betts is the best Big in the draft. What is difficult to determine is whether or not she can be a dominant post in the W, where there’s a bunch of 6’5 - 6’8” posts. Griner, Jonquil Jones, Charles, Wilson, Boston and others are all bigs who are mobile and effective. My view on Betts is that she is “mobility limited” and her ceiling is more like Cardoso. If so, then the Wings could do better by signing a veteran center and using their lottery pick in the draft to sign another big time scorer: Azzi, Miles or another top g/w.
Trade the pick for Ezi Megbegor , Shakira Austin , Dominque Malonga , Cameron Brink , On the low end Leticia Amihere , Aaliyah Edwards. We need a big who can get up and down , MHA is not that . She's 5'11 . Lauren Betts is not that why do you think UCONN smoked them literally ran her off the court in the Final 4.
 
I believe that the Wings envision Paige as a shooting guard and not a point guard. If they can get a veteran Big, their priority would be a point guard to help Paige get her looks without having to be guarded the full length of the floor. Ty Harris is one answer, but they need another guard that can be point or off the ball when Paige wants to take over. Grace isn't it; JJ isn't it either. It's going to come down to who Paige can convince to come to Dallas as a free agent, and that will determine which way they lean in the draft. Miles may be the answer as the best pick, but Betts is an option if they cannot secure a veteran Big.
This is a perfect assertion . #WingsFanForlife
 
Trade the pick for Ezi Megbegor , Shakira Austin , Dominque Malonga , Cameron Brink , On the low end Leticia Amihere , Aaliyah Edwards. We need a big who can get up and down , MHA is not that . She's 5'11 . Lauren Betts is not that why do you think UCONN smoked them literally ran her off the court in the Final 4.
Let’s see what the pick is first. Then the GM can shop it or keep it. Of the players you mention, the only one worth trading a lottery pick imo would be Malonga. None of the rest are difference makers, and that’s what you would expect from a lottery pick or someone you would trade a lottery pick for.
 
Let’s see what the pick is first. Then the GM can shop it or keep it. Of the players you mention, the only one worth trading a lottery pick imo would be Malonga. None of the rest are difference makers, and that’s what you would expect from a lottery pick or someone you would trade a lottery pick for.
Agreed! Malonga is the only one of those I would rather have than Betts. You can’t find 6’7” with skills under any old bush! Sure, she doesn’t run like a deer but she's got lots of other strengths. Get a coach that can actually build an effective game plan around Paige & Betts!
 
I heard that A’ja Wilson was going to be available.
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If true........maybe there is a method to Miller's madness after all. 😉
 
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Well, we're almost at the end of this Wings season, and I'm not pleased to observe that they can only occasionally play something resembling functional basketball.
Even with the Sparks, admittedly, devoting every player to primarily stopping Paige, how could she only get 8 shots in 31 minutes tonight?
How could her teammates consistently brick easy shots generated from perfect passes from Paige?
How could her teammates constantly ignore the fact that multiple Sparks players would jump entry passes to Paige and pick them off because they were too soft or too late?
This all being said, Hines-Allen had an efficient stat line with 13 rebounds and 7 nice assists to go with 15 points (unfortunately, her shooting from the field was not so good). Aside from her judgement on when and from where to shoot the ball, she really has the capacity to be a contributor on a functional roster.
And then there's Paige, who, once again, proved that you can be brilliant without shooting the ball 20 times or scoring 40 points. Her dedication to playing team ball in the face of a defense whose primary objective was to stop her was a template of how transformative she could be on a good team. While her 6 for 8 from the field consisted of primarily scoring on drives with breathtaking finishes, she had 7 assists (she should have had double that if her teammates didn't blow easy shots or pass up attempting very makeable shots) against one turnover (a pass that sailed past Maddie who was trotting by and never turned her head, and was intercepted while Berger never attempted to make a move to receive it).
Rant over...
One more game, and then it's in the hands of Kurt Miller. May he display good judgement and have good luck - for Paige's sake.
 
Well, we're almost at the end of this Wings season, and I'm not pleased to observe that they can only occasionally play something resembling functional basketball.
Even with the Sparks, admittedly, devoting every player to primarily stopping Paige, how could she only get 8 shots in 31 minutes tonight?
How could her teammates consistently brick easy shots generated from perfect passes from Paige?
How could her teammates constantly ignore the fact that multiple Sparks players would jump entry passes to Paige and pick them off because they were too soft or too late?
This all being said, Hines-Allen had an efficient stat line with 13 rebounds and 7 nice assists to go with 15 points (unfortunately, her shooting from the field was not so good). Aside from her judgement on when and from where to shoot the ball, she really has the capacity to be a contributor on a functional roster.
And then there's Paige, who, once again, proved that you can be brilliant without shooting the ball 20 times or scoring 40 points. Her dedication to playing team ball in the face of a defense whose primary objective was to stop her was a template of how transformative she could be on a good team. While her 6 for 8 from the field consisted of primarily scoring on drives with breathtaking finishes, she had 7 assists (she should have had double that if her teammates didn't blow easy shots or pass up attempting very makeable shots) against one turnover (a pass that sailed past Maddie who was trotting by and never turned her head, and was intercepted while Berger never attempted to make a move to receive it).
Rant over...
One more game, and then it's in the hands of Kurt Miller. May he display good judgement and have good luck - for Paige's sake.
My feelings exactly. I would also point out that if you played the defense the Sparks played against any team in the W not named the Wings, you would get killed as the Sparks essentially gave wide open shots to anyone not named Paige.

Even worse, after Paige burned the Sparks in the paint a couple times off backdoor cuts with brilliant finishes, the Sparks started doubling Paige in the paint when she didn’t even have the ball. I was incredulous that her teammates continued to force the ball into her leading to one turnover after another.

Like you, I hope there is a method to Kurt Miller’s madness. Hopefully, he can get Paige some help next season.
 
Well, we're almost at the end of this Wings season, and I'm not pleased to observe that they can only occasionally play something resembling functional basketball.
Even with the Sparks, admittedly, devoting every player to primarily stopping Paige, how could she only get 8 shots in 31 minutes tonight?
How could her teammates consistently brick easy shots generated from perfect passes from Paige?
How could her teammates constantly ignore the fact that multiple Sparks players would jump entry passes to Paige and pick them off because they were too soft or too late?
This all being said, Hines-Allen had an efficient stat line with 13 rebounds and 7 nice assists to go with 15 points (unfortunately, her shooting from the field was not so good). Aside from her judgement on when and from where to shoot the ball, she really has the capacity to be a contributor on a functional roster.
And then there's Paige, who, once again, proved that you can be brilliant without shooting the ball 20 times or scoring 40 points. Her dedication to playing team ball in the face of a defense whose primary objective was to stop her was a template of how transformative she could be on a good team. While her 6 for 8 from the field consisted of primarily scoring on drives with breathtaking finishes, she had 7 assists (she should have had double that if her teammates didn't blow easy shots or pass up attempting very makeable shots) against one turnover (a pass that sailed past Maddie who was trotting by and never turned her head, and was intercepted while Berger never attempted to make a move to receive it).
Rant over...
One more game, and then it's in the hands of Kurt Miller. May he display good judgement and have good luck - for Paige's sake.
As far as good judgement, unfortunately I am not as quick as you or others might be in wanting to give Miller a pass since he did not exactly show critical judgment of what IMO surely must have been many more experienced candidates when he selected Koclanes to be the coach of this team. If he stays, I wish him good luck in figuring out what will make this team a competitor instead of a cellar dweller. Wings fans deserve better or they will stay away despite wanting to see the unique and special talents of Paige.
 
As far as good judgement, unfortunately I am not as quick as you or others might be in wanting to give Miller a pass since he did not exactly show critical judgment of what IMO surely must have been many more experienced candidates when he selected Koclanes to be the coach of this team. If he stays, I wish him good luck in figuring out what will make this team a competitor instead of a cellar dweller. Wings fans deserve better or they will stay away despite wanting to see the unique and special talents of Paige.
WiseWillie- - - I have said previously Koclanes is the wrong coach for this Dallas team! You can't have an inexperienced coach, coach a young team! You need a coach that's been coaching a while to know how to bring them up to speed!They all can't learn on the job!
 
I'm not sure about Koclanes being the wrong coach - maybe he is - want to give him the benefit of the doubt since his team is dreadful, but...

Paige freaking Bueckers. Takes 8 shots going 6-8 with 18 points. Both Hines and Sigriest took a combined 30 shots (going 11-30) and neither scored more than 15. How on earth is Paige not getting a minimum of 15 shots per game? Maybe you are right - dreadful coaching to go along with a dreadful team?

Grace Berger as a starter? Hines as a starter (a forward shooting 31% for the season and 25% on 3)? Haley Jones as a starter? Even if that trio played for the 2nd worst team in the league (Chicago), they'd probably barely be getting bench time. (would any of them get minutes over Cardoso, Reese, Atkins, Banham, or Nurse?).

So yeah I think it's mildly criminal Bueckers took only 8 shots this game compared to 30 for the above mentioned duo, but the talent on this team is just so bad. Let's see what happens next season with the restricted and unrestricted free agent free-for-all before calling Koclanes DOA. And injuries have decimated this team.

BTW I'm not convinced Yeru is going to be any good consistently. But Guiselsoder seems to have potential, Ogunbowale can be really good, while Harris could be better than solid. James and Quinnerly had their moments early, but for their future in the league, I'm not sure that anything more than spot minutes off the bench is their destiny.

Picture starters of Harris, Bueckers, Ogunbowale, Siegrist, and Guiselsoder... Christyn Williams, Diamond Miller, Amy Okonwu, and Li Yeru off the bench? If all of them were healthy, what would their season have looked like this year? I do think they need to search free agency for some better talent but it's just so hard to judge Koclanes, based on all the injuries, and the really bad teams Dallas put on the floor for most of the season.

And I'm not sure Ty Harris is really useful to this team. They need another elite guard. Azzi Fudd anyone? Even Olivia Miles could help a lot. I'm not sure Flaujae or Latson are right for this team as they are ball dominant shooters, and you do NOT want to take the ball out of Paige's hands. Or they could go for Betts and look at free agency for an elite guard.
 
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It appeared that Kelsey Plum was the primary defender against Paige, and actually she did a really good job. Whenever she got the ball, that's when the double or triple teaming occurred, and for the most part, Paige was able to get the ball out to someone in the open for a shot. Thats when they did what they always seemed to do, and that was drive into the abyss and pass up an open three. Still, I couldn't understand why Paige did not take a shot in the opening period. It was almost like she was told not to force anything, just let the game move along with the other players trying to make plays. Actually, it was sometimes comical watching how bad that team was, especially at the end of the first period. I have already mentioned earlier who the Wings should protect in the expansion draft, but the way I feel now, Paige and Maddy are the only sure things. Regarding Koclanes hired to coach a young team, let's not forget that the starting line-up and first few off the bench were not rookies when the season began, excluding Paige of course. The injuries made this team young, so you really can't put all the blame on him. Do I want a more experience no- nonsense coach for next year, of course, but I don't think that will change and I am okay with giving him another chance with a hopefully new and better roster.
 
Honestly, it was amazing that Paige managed to get off 8 shots against a junk defense that doubled and tripled her every time she had the ball, and then started doubling her when she didn’t have the ball when she was trying to get open in the paint.

The defense the Sparks played last night was a defense you would never see against any other team in the W with at least one more capable shooter besides Paige. LA dared anyone not named Paige Bueckers to beat them.

The Sparks literally chose not to defend the 3-pt line other than when Paige had the ball. Paige did not attempt a 3-pt shot against LA’s smothering defense. But she frequently passed to wide open teammates who took uncontested 3’s.

As a team, the Wings were an abysmal 5/23 from the arc. Maddy hit one then went cold. Hines-Allen is not a 3-pt shooter. But she seems to frequently end up with the ball in her hands at the arc with nobody guarding her. She may have hit one and then clanked a bunch. Haley Jones is not a 3-pt shooter either. She missed a bunch and also turned it over a bunch.

This Wings team is just not very good. As for Miller and Koclanes, the jury is still out imo. The Wings have had 20 different players on their roster this season. Of the 9 players who played last night, 6 were not on the roster at the start of the season.

Miller needs to core the right 6 players in the expansion draft. I don’t know if that includes Arike or not. Then he needs to draft an “impact player” with his lottery pick. I don’t know if that is Betts. Finally, he needs to bring in a group of solid, talented veterans in free agency with the significant cap space the Wings will have.
 
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I'm not sure about Koclanes being the wrong coach - maybe he is - want to give him the benefit of the doubt since his team is dreadful, but...

Paige freaking Bueckers. Takes 8 shots going 6-8 with 18 points. Both Hines and Sigriest took a combined 30 shots (going 11-30) and neither scored more than 15. How on earth is Paige not getting a minimum of 15 shots per game? Maybe you are right - dreadful coaching to go along with a dreadful team?

Grace Berger as a starter? Hines as a starter (a forward shooting 31% for the season and 25% on 3)? Haley Jones as a starter? Even if that trio played for the 2nd worst team in the league (Chicago), they'd probably barely be getting bench time. (would any of them get minutes over Cardoso, Reese, Atkins, Banham, or Nurse?).

So yeah I think it's mildly criminal Bueckers took only 8 shots this game compared to 30 for the above mentioned duo, but the talent on this team is just so bad. Let's see what happens next season with the restricted and unrestricted free agent free-for-all before calling Koclanes DOA. And injuries have decimated this team.

BTW I'm not convinced Yeru is going to be any good consistently. But Guiselsoder seems to have potential, Ogunbowale can be really good, while Harris could be better than solid. James and Quinnerly had their moments early, but for their future in the league, I'm not sure that anything more than spot minutes off the bench is their destiny.

Picture starters of Harris, Bueckers, Ogunbowale, Siegrist, and Guiselsoder... Christyn Williams, Diamond Miller, Amy Okonwu, and Li Yeru off the bench? If all of them were healthy, what would their season have looked like this year? I do think they need to search free agency for some better talent but it's just so hard to judge Koclanes, based on all the injuries, and the really bad teams Dallas put on the floor for most of the season.

And I'm not sure Ty Harris is really useful to this team. They need another elite guard. Azzi Fudd anyone? Even Olivia Miles could help a lot. I'm not sure Flaujae or Latson are right for this team as they are ball dominant shooters, and you do NOT want to take the ball out of Paige's hands. Or they could go for Betts and look at free agency for an elite guard.
Defense and rebounding would be a mess. They need a big experienced animal inside and an experienced defensive guard, preferably with some size. And do a little addition by subtraction with Ogunbowale.
 
There’s yet another downside risk lemonade &1 for another year of Koclanes (unlike Chicago).

So while this year was dreadful, it hopefully netted them Azzi. Retaining Koclanes might not be so bad except when either it is the only hindrance to pursuing, with great cap space, the many prime UFA targets that are unprecedented available this offseason or Miller is able to construct a truly contending dream team around Paige (without CT’s headaches).

&1 Two first round picks — including, interestingly, the Aces — and two second round picks in the 2027 draft.
 
Honestly, it was amazing that Paige managed to get off 8 shots against a junk defense that doubled and tripled her every time she had the ball, and then started doubling her when she didn’t have the ball when she was trying to get open in the paint.

The defense the Sparks played last night was a defense you would never see against any other team in the W with at least one more capable shooter besides Paige. LA dared anyone not named Paige Bueckers to beat them.

The Sparks literally chose not to defend the 3-pt line other than when Paige had the ball. Paige did not attempt a 3-pt shot against LA’s smothering defense. But she frequently passed to wide open teammates who took uncontested 3’s.

As a team, the Wings were an abysmal 5/23 from the arc. Maddy hit one then went cold. Hines-Allen is not a 3-pt shooter. But she seems to frequently end up with the ball in her hands at the arc with nobody guarding her. She may have hit one and then clanked a bunch. Haley Jones is not a 3-pt shooter either. She missed a bunch and also turned it over a bunch.

This Wings team is just not very good. As for Miller and Koclanes, the jury is still out imo. The Wings have had 20 different players on their roster this season. Of the 9 players who played last night, 6 were not on the roster at the start of the season.

Miller needs to core the right 6 players in the expansion draft. I don’t know if that includes Arike or not. Then he needs to draft an “impact player” with his lottery pick. I don’t know if that is Betts. Finally, he needs to bring in a group of solid, talented veterans in free agency with the significant cap space the Wings will have.
Right on, OD, all good but we all keep saying the team is abysmal and many players would never see the floor on other teams. But compare the players selected by the Wings to the expansion team Valkyries. Whose job was it to choose those players? Was it done by committee? In any event, the Valkyries did a surprising job in their selections and demonstrated a much better knowledge of the player as well as coaching skills and personalities needed to make a competitive team. The Wings?
 
Defense and rebounding would be a mess. They need a big experienced animal inside and an experienced defensive guard, preferably with some size. And do a little addition by subtraction with Ogunbowale.
I would add Hines-Allen to that subtraction list, especially if they want better offense.
 
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