ND was like luxury seating compared to michigan. We could fit 55000 now if we went to Michiganns ass allotment. Every other person has to be leaning forward to fit. It sucked big time
Dallas News pros and cons of B12 expansion candidates
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Yeah I know..I was there. ND was similar to me...and PSU is somewhere between the 2.
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The history on UConn FB is that we just stared playing with the big boys. Until the 70s, we were happy playing UMass, Rhode Island, Maine, and Yale. Now, we are making up for lost time. If we did join the Big 12, we might not beat the Longhorns or the Sooners, but Baylor (and RG3 loved the Rent when he was here with Baylor.) and KU we might beat.
We would bring a good baseball team with us along with the top women's basketball team and a great men's basketball team. If you invite us, We would even bring our ice hockey team to the Big 12...
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You mean we aren't going to add those teams to the AAC...darn it... I thought we were, that was why we didn't join the ACC...
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Yale has more National Championships in College Football than RU...I will even add Princeton with more championships than RU.
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The fact that Boise is in the lead in the poll tells me average viewers are complete morons when it comes to CR, and it really makes me wonder the types of people who make these decisions are usually just as clueless as they are, as evidenced by the s***-fiesta the last round of realignment was.
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The fact that TCU rapidly improved in football at the perfect time and quickly landed on its feet during the CR shuffle tells me how reactionary the decision makers are and doesn't give me good intuition about the future of B12 expansion for us. Everyone is so football crazy that a non-existent athletic program like Boise State outside of a couple good years on the smurf blue turf gimmick is even being discussed tells me we are duck*ed.
When B12 expansion talks from Boren's hints began this year we were a major talking point, but now that the "analysts" and Internet blog "talking heads" have picked up the story as of late the tides seem to have shifted. Everyone sees bashing UConn football as an easy, pseudo-intelligent point to make in their forcibly written articles on the issue they know nothing about, I just fear that this bogus perception doesn't taint the minds of the B12's decision makers.
When B12 expansion talks from Boren's hints began this year we were a major talking point, but now that the "analysts" and Internet blog "talking heads" have picked up the story as of late the tides seem to have shifted. Everyone sees bashing UConn football as an easy, pseudo-intelligent point to make in their forcibly written articles on the issue they know nothing about, I just fear that this bogus perception doesn't taint the minds of the B12's decision makers.
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The good news is the B12 has hired several outside firms to crunch the financial numbers of the perspective expansion candidates which indicates any B12 expansion will be a business decision. Also, Boren's comments clearly indicate the rapidly increasing financial divide between the network based conferences (BIG/SEC) and the B12 was a primary factor driving expansion. If there is a B12 expansion it will be for money reasons...not football reasons.
The average dumb fan bases his/her decision on what team should be added by asking "what team would I like to go watch my team play." TCU is a perfect example of a great football program which did nothing to financially help the B12. No disrespect to TCU, they should be proud of what they have accomplished but they were not a financial win for the B12. TCU is truly the anti-Rutgers. I think the B12 understands this lesson now and will not make the same mistake again.
If UConn financially adds more than our expansion competitors we will get the nod if there is expansion. The B12 may not be savable now even with expansion but they certainly cannot afford to pass on the teams which best allow them to make a network.
I truly believe the B12 is following the BIG model and not the ACC model. Fan votes, while insulting and frustrating, will not be the deciding factor. But I agree with your point that suddenly a ton of UConn critics seemed to have materialized. The nice thing about money is... it speaks for itself.
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This. I'm trying hard to be objective after last time and not to let my national flag blue and white glasses distort my judgement. However, I also truly believe we are the most logical non-P5 option out there for any conference right now.
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I also still contend that the Big XII should go all in and take four more with an eye to big eastern markets. Cincy, UConn, Temple (if purely market driven)/Memphis (nod to those hung up on geography) , UCF
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Why would the Big 12 get a network with UConn and Cincy if the ACC can't add UConn and Cincy and get a network? If the answer is that ESPN has them by the balls, then why doesn't the ACC just add UConn and Cincy anyway? I am kind of questioning if these conferences need to grow first, ask ESPN questions later. They added crap markets with their help and now they face major problems. ESPN isn't going to kill the AAC by encouraging our exit. We think the AAC sucks but for ESPN it is a awesome product. Good sports at a great price.
The ACC needs New York and Ohio and it only makes sense that they'd add UConn and Cincy to hurt the Big 12. That would leave two spots open for ND and TX. In the process, they'd protect Miami. If the Big 12 had UCF, USF, Temple and ECU as their best remaining options in the east, they'd wither and die rather than expand.
The ACC needs New York and Ohio and it only makes sense that they'd add UConn and Cincy to hurt the Big 12. That would leave two spots open for ND and TX. In the process, they'd protect Miami. If the Big 12 had UCF, USF, Temple and ECU as their best remaining options in the east, they'd wither and die rather than expand.
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The ACC network issue is simple. The ACC sold their 2nd their rights to Raycom; so ESPN who produces the programming isn't going to buy to back from Raycom then pay the ACC schools to put it on a network.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/05/20/Media/ACC-net.aspx
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I just have just one comment on TCU.
Prior to its Big 12 invitation, TCU had more success as an athletic program than Texas A&M had as a Big 12 member. Remember, TCU was on its way to joining the Big East (which at that time was an AQ conference). ESPN saw TCU as an excellent replacement for Texas A&M without causing the conference to lose any revenue. The situation was basically a very good athletic program replacing one that was leaving.
As for what UConn or any of the other expansion candidates bring, that has been the on-going debate on Big 12 message boards. Fans of AAC schools seem to have no problem chiming in to defend their school. They have no problem claiming their school would be the best fit for the conference.
Our current 13 year, $2.6 billion contracts with ABC/ESPN and Fox are for a 10 school league. Those contracts are set to expire in 2024-2025.
With NCAA deregulation of CCG rules, the Big 12 can now have a conference championship game if it chooses to do so.
ESPN and Fox have given no indication the Big 12 contracts would be renegotiated if more schools are brought in. Therein lies the problem. That would mean the current members would have to agree to take a loss in revenue for the remainder of the contract period in order to subsidize the new members.
The discussion of having a Big 12 Conference network is just that at this point. Texas has given no indication that it is willing to give up its $300 million/20 year deal with ESPN and ESPN has already gone on record in saying that it has a special partnership with Texas and it doesn't see that changing. The Longhorn Network is expected to turn a profit this year.
The other thing that complicates the situation is the fact that Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech and Baylor have separate Tier 3 media deals with Fox. West Virginia, Kansas and Kansas State have monetized their Tier 3 rights in other ways. They would all have to wait until their contracts expire before a conference network could even be discussed or realized.
By the way, it is not likely the Big 12 would go beyond 12 if the administrators do decide to expand.
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Honestly, besides getting an invite to the Big 12, the best thing that could happen to UConn is nothing happening. If the AAC stays intact for the time being it would not be the end of the world for us. Money would suck and become an issue but we would still be stuck with Cincy and whoever else the other school may have been that was added.
I can't see why the Big 12 would expand if there isn't a network being started. Like you said UT, the money is being split 10 ways and there isn't any hint that the money would be upped if they did add any schools.
So I hope that if they expand UConn is added. However, I'd not be totally crushed if the Big 12 decides to do nothing and stay at 10.
I can't see why the Big 12 would expand if there isn't a network being started. Like you said UT, the money is being split 10 ways and there isn't any hint that the money would be upped if they did add any schools.
So I hope that if they expand UConn is added. However, I'd not be totally crushed if the Big 12 decides to do nothing and stay at 10.
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The conference commissioner was once asked if he could give a hint on what the conference would be looking for in an expansion scenario. He commented, "if you want to get an idea, just look at the current make up of the conference". As I have stated before, a lot of the Big 12 schools are land grant public research universities. Aside from its 3 BCS appearances, WVU is a land grant school and that was looked on favorably by the conference. Could the same happen with UConn if the conference decides to expand? The other thing I have noticed, the Big 12 is all about bringing in brand name/flagship schools with very good academics, so that may also be a hint as well. I am not saying that UConn will happen, but those have been my observations over the years.
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I understand that but if keeping that arrangement kills the conference then that arrangement won't be good for anyone. In order to maintain status quo, all parties may need to reevaluate the agreements in order to maximize value and avoid disaster. If exposure in two huge markets creates value, it should create value for Raycom too.
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The ACC needs ESPN to do a network. ESPN won't do it if they will lose $$...simple as that. It's up to John Swafford to negotiate a deal with Raycom to get the ACC 2nd tier rights back. And oh yeah by the way..his son is employed by Raycom.
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That doesn't matter so much as what type of position his son has there. If he's a big shot, there could be an issue if daddy doesn't do his job and worries about his kid's job instead. If he's a standard paper pusher, he can be a standard paper pusher in the ACC office after daddy hires him when Raycom goes under once they lose the ACC.
UConn President Susan Herbst:
"Three years ago, you could never have predicted what is going on now. A major thing is there is so much going on now in the cable industry. That will have some fundamental change in what gets televised by whom and with what kind of contract. Everybody's got lawyers looking at [contractual] re-openers [based on previously agreed upon provisions] and all kind of things. That, 'Well, it's OK for now, but eventually the Power Five will make everybody else irrelevant because of the money' — the whole money part and the structural nature of the media landscape is under so much change."
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-jacobs-column-susan-herbst-0115-20160114-story.html
There is no loss of money from the TV contract if the Big 12 adds two schools. This was first revealed in a story by Dennis Dodd story published 5/30/2012:
"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).
One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC."
Boren revealed that back in June.
Here are some of the tweets from that time:
Chuck Carlton @ChuckCarltonDMN · 11m11 minutes ago
Boren says Big 12 would not have to cut TV $$$ pie into smaller pieces with expansion, which qualifies as news.
Chuck Carlton @ChuckCarltonDMN · 37m37 minutes ago
Bowlsby confirms pro rata clause in TV contracts would match shares if league expands. But revenue from NCAA, CFP would be split more ways.
Stewart Mandel @slmandel · 1h1 hour ago
As others have noted, significant revelation today about the Big 12's TV deal. If everyone's share is guaranteed, expansion far more viable
Stewart Mandel @slmandel · 1h1 hour ago
I think the Big 12 has been using the "smaller pie" excuse to avoid saying, we don't think any of the schools out there are good enough.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
I can't tell you today whether Big 12 is expanding. But after today and revelation about TV deal, I will never trust what they say.
Landthieves @LandThieves · 2h2 hours ago
Boren pretty much nuked everyone's notions of the tv deal. Straight up, that info was never coming out.
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
@LandThieves It is a huge revelation. If I wasn't on vacation I'd have written about it
Landthieves @LandThieves · 2h2 hours ago
@DanWolken 5 years of "added value" speeches going in a 3 minute interview after a BOR meeting. incredible
Dan Wolken @DanWolken · 2h2 hours ago
@LandThieves It really is. I mean, that's a major detail people from the league basically lied about publicly every time they opened mouth
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you couldn't possibly be more off base here if you were intentionally trying to be ignorant. Boise state all time is 417-158, and the "couple of seasons" your referring to since the 99-2000 season they are 186- 33 (we have had the same amount of losses since in the last 4yrs...) in that same time span they have been 12-5 in bowl games with wins over Lville, Utah, Washington, ASU, Arizona, TCU2x oh and Oklahoma ( we didn't have the same outcome...) and those 5 losses came by an average of 5 points to 3 top 20 teams, 2 of which were in the top ten. when it comes to BSU football I would be willing to bet more than a few people here would kill to have those kind of stats over that same time. say what you want about the rest of the athletic department but when it comes to gimmicky boise state football we wish we could be them.
oh and the irony of this statement "pseudo-intelligent point to make in their forcibly written articles on the issue they know nothing about" is almost too much.
Just FYI, Boren has already stated that the TV contract increase proportionately if 2 more teams are added (but not 4 teams - that would require a renegotiation). An increase for 2 teams is already built in.
There would be a slight haircut splitting any CCG game $$ 12 ways instead of 10.
Edit: damn you Jostar!! Beat me to the punch yet again. (J/k, good job - you even included tweets!)
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Well said, Comparing RU to UCONN is like comparing Hilary Clinton to Jennifer Anniston
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That's fine. Burt Reynolds had a really good prison team in The Longest Yard, but they won't get into the Big XII either. Academics and prestige matter. David Boren in particular wants to elevate the Big XII academically. Yes, there are market considerations that also make BSU irrelevant, but mostly, it's that it was a community college when I graduated from UConn.
Our traditonal rivals were the Ivies (especially Yale), the Little Ivies (especially Wesleyan) and New England state schools (especially UMass and URI). The two oldest fields in football are at Wesleyan and Williams. The Ivies have the oldest stadiums. We've played on those fields and in those stadiums. What "lack of history"? What other FBS program can claim that besides probably UMass and some Big Ten schools? I know some Big Ten schools can relate to us in playing Ivies and Little Ivies before the Big Ten overtook the Ivies in football.
The Big 12 has to decide whether to expand east or west.
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Could be East --and--West
Then it'll look like the AAC Deluxe.
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Whatever makes them money...
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Exactly......but in reverse...
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