CSNBBS realignment discussion akin to car wash

[Dooley]

 

[upstater]

You ever been to Lubbock? That's the difference. Lol Baylor is religious and small. It also solid academically and fairly wealthy. They are also in a talent rich area and better media market.

They were left out of the SWC to B12 move initially. Texas Tech wasn't. That speaks volumes.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

You ever been to Lubbock? That's the difference. Lol Baylor is religious and small. It also solid academically and fairly wealthy. They are also in a talent rich area and better media market.

FYI - Baylor is not that small for a private university, 14,200 undergraduates, couple of other P5/G5 private universities:

• Tulsa 3,100
  
• Wake Forest 4,800
  
• SMU 6,400
• Duke 6,500
  
• Vanderbilt 6,800
• Stanford 7,000
• Tulane 8,300
  
• Notre Dame 8,400
  
• Northwestern 8,900
• TCU 8,900
  
• BC 9,100
• U Miami 10,900
  
• Baylor 14,200
  
• Syracuse 15,100
• USC 18,800
• BYU 26,700

PAC-12's undergraduate enrollment ranges from Stanford at 7,000 to Arizona St with 67,500
The XII ranges from TCU at 8,900 to U Texas at 39,500

 

[Adios]

16: Florida State and Clemson would be in the SEC.

What strain do you smoke? Gotta try it out.

 

[ZooCougar]

http://csnbbs.com/thread-767908.html



Assuming this is true, 4 scenarios.

1. B12 adds teams.
2. B1G adds plains state teams
3. B1G adds and Pac12 adds 2 (Texas and Texas Tech)
4. Kansas St., Iowa St., Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St. and West Virginia are left out in the wilderness, so they add 6 to the B12: UConn, Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UCF, USF.

Really? Someone who sits on a board at a big hospital system in KC posts at CSNBBS and is so unprofessional that he leaks sensitive realignment info.

What makes it so implausible is that if people wanted to, it would be really easy to figure out who that person is. Therefore the whole thing is BS.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

You ever been to Lubbock? That's the difference. Lol Baylor is religious and small. It also solid academically and fairly wealthy. They are also in a talent rich area and better media market.

ASU is the most popular team in the greater Phoenix Area
Their are 3,500,000 people in that area and growing
I just looked at Texas schools who might accompany OU to the SEC and TCU makes the Most sense for a number of reasons. Dallas Ft Worth is the biggest market in Texas and it's easy to get to from Southern Cities
Being in Lubbock is a real handicap for Tech.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

They were left out of the SWC to B12 move initially. Texas Tech wasn't. That speaks volumes.

Private Baylor 16K students vs Public Texas Tech 36K students = Then, and now, advantage Red Raiders!

 

[MilliniumPrince]

They were left out of the SWC to B12 move initially. Texas Tech wasn't. That speaks volumes.

That had more to do with Texas State politics than anything else.

 

[Husky25]

Kansas and Oklahoma to the B1G.
Texas to ACC in ND-type deal.
Pac-12 stays the same (or adds UNLV, New Mexico, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State).
SEC adds FSU and Clemson (after Big 12 shows how GORs can be ripped up).
ACC adds UConn and WVU.

Each of the P4 has 16 members (but ACC only has 14 in football).

Remaining members of Big 12 (Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Kansas St.) join the Mountain West.

looking at the above scenario with a little more than common sense...If football truly drives the bus, then when the ACC loses Clemson and FSU, they likely lose Power conference status.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

http://csnbbs.com/thread-767908.html



Assuming this is true, 4 scenarios.

1. B12 adds teams.
2. B1G adds plains state teams
3. B1G adds and Pac12 adds 2 (Texas and Texas Tech)
4. Kansas St., Iowa St., Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St. and West Virginia are left out in the wilderness, so they add 6 to the B12: UConn, Cincy, Houston, Memphis, UCF, USF.

5. The 1st Law of Conference Realignment holds true as the P5 becomes the P4 and UConn is, yet again, on the outside looking in.

 

[tduconn]

I actually think that the inverse of # 4 would be more likely: that the AAC invites the Big XII leftovers. If the XII implodes by losing it's 3 most prominent members, The AAC would be bargaining from a position of strength. As unwieldy as an 18 team football conference seems, wasn't the postulation of a P4 future 4 x 20 team conferences? The expanded AAC would only be 2 short. If you had 2 divisions, that would be 8 divisional, 2 crossover, leaving only 2 OOC games to schedule yearly. (Or if you want to get bizarre- 8 division & 4 crossover with no OOC games)
Hoops would be decent with the addition of Okie Light, WVU, & Iowa State.
Sort of what was talked about when the PAC-12 was supposed to absorb Bevo, & Sooners & their little siblings, only on a grander scale.

Yeah, but if I was a Big 12 fan, I'd see an invite to the AAC as a knockout blow (a step down in status) to the remaining teams. We were once P-5, and now we are relegated to a "G-5" status? The punch to the gut came from the XII teams that leave and theoretically become part of a P-4 scenario.

I think they would invite the more prominent FB schools from the AAC and Mountain West if for nothing else than perception.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Private Baylor 16K students vs Public Texas Tech 36K students = Then, and now, advantage Red Raiders!

The wildcard for Texas Tech is if Texas politics will insist that they have to find a P4 landing spot should the XII implode, if they do, being bundled as a package with U Texas is very valuable. The same applies to OK State, though they have may have enough weight on their own in terms of brand, success and donors to stand on their own from the Sooners, and K State, who is likely screwed as the Jayhawks don't have enough pull to demand both schools to be taken. If not, Texas Tech's only chance should the XII implode is a slot in the PAC if the PAC becomes that desperate to move into Texas with the PAC choosing between Texas Tech, Houston, SMU (very unlikely), Baylor and TCU (one of those two may have a shot for a spot in the SEC) in race to get to 20 schools.

Possible PAC endgame (20 schools)

• Northwest Pod: 1) Washington, 2) Washington St, 3) Oregon, 4) Oregon St, 5) Stanford
  
• Mountain Pod: 6) Utah, 7) BYU, 8) Colorado, 9) Colorado St, 10) Kansas St
  
• Pacific Pod: 11) California, 12) UCLA, 13) USC, 14) San Diego St, 15) UNLV
  
• Southwest Pod: 16) Arizona, 17) Arizona St, 18) New Mexico, 19) Texas Tech, 20) Houston

 

[HuskyHawk]

Yeah, but if I was a Big 12 fan, I'd see an invite to the AAC as a knockout blow (a step down in status) to the remaining teams. We were once P-5, and now we are relegated to a "G-5" status? The punch to the gut came from the XII teams that leave and theoretically become part of a P-4 scenario.

I think they would invite the more prominent FB schools from the AAC and Mountain West if for nothing else than perception.

The scenario is unlikely, but if it occurred, the Big XII would invite AAC schools including Cinci, UConn, Houston and UCF. Maybe Memphis and Temple too. That way they can argue to retain P5 status and they can dump Tulane, Tulsa, ECU and other schools in the AAC that they definitely do not want.

 

[Redding Husky]

You ever been to Lubbock? That's the difference. Lol Baylor is religious and small. It also solid academically and fairly wealthy. They are also in a talent rich area and better media market.

Texas Tech is a solid FBS school. The academics are mediocre (tied with UCF and Louisville per US News). But it has 28,000 undergrads. They could be the third most popular school statewide behind Texas and A&M. OU is also very popular and would be close to Tech. Houston is popular in Houston, but its appeal does not go much beyond the metro Houston area.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Texas Tech is a solid FBS school. The academics are mediocre (tied with UCF and Louisville per US News). But it has 28,000 undergrads. They could be the third most popular school statewide behind Texas and A&M. OU is also very popular and would be close to Tech. Houston is popular in Houston, but its appeal does not go much beyond the metro Houston area.

Valid points, but can you seriously imagine Cal, USC, UCLA, Stamford, in a conference with Texas Tech?

 

[Fishy]

Valid points, but can you seriously imagine Cal, USC, UCLA, Stamford, in a conference with Texas Tech?

If they're also in a conference with Texas, them yes. Yes I can.

Because it almost happened.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Valid points, but can you seriously imagine Cal, USC, UCLA, Stamford, in a conference with Texas Tech?

According to US News (and yes, I take these ranking with a plant size grain of salt), the elite PAC schools are already in a conference with Oregon* (#103), Utah (#115), Arizona* (#121), Arizona St (#129), Oregon St (#135), Washington St (#140), which make Texas Tech at #168 look not that preposterous.

As a FYI - PAC: Stanford* #4, Cal* #20, UCLA* #23, USC* #23, U Washington* #52, Colorado* #89

And XII - Texas* #52, Baylor #72, TCU #82, Iowa St* #108, Oklahoma #108, Kansas* #115, Kansas St #146, Oklahoma St #149, West Virginia #175

* = AAU

 

[upstater]

According to US News (and yes, I take these ranking with a plant size grain of salt), the elite PAC schools are already in a conference with Oregon* (#103), Utah (#115), Arizona* (#121), Arizona St (#129), Oregon St (#135), Washington St (#140), which make Texas Tech at #168 look not that preposterous.

As a FYI - PAC: Stanford* #4, Cal* #20, UCLA* #23, USC* #23, U Washington* #52, Colorado* #89

And XII - Texas* #52, Baylor #72, TCU #82, Iowa St* #108, Oklahoma #108, Kansas* #115, Kansas St #146, Oklahoma St #149, West Virginia #175

* = AAU

Pay no attention to USNews when making these decisions. There are AAU schools deep into the 150s, and then there's Clemson ranked very high.

In terms of academics, the people running these schools would much rather hang with the AAUs than Clemson.