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Crystal Dangerfield Waived By Lynx

Per twitter she faulted the team for being "selfish" but decided to waive players on the basis of "numbers are numbers". Pretty confusing for the players.
 
JoePgh said:
I can't believe that I'm the first Boneyarder to notice, but the Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting that the Lynx have waived Crystal along with a few other guards including Layshia Clarendon, and have signed Odyssey Sims.

Only two years ago she was WNBA Rookie of the Year.
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A quick look at their roster shows that no rookies made the cut. All 11 players are veterans. The Lynx has recently been a very hard team to make.
 
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baggerbob said:
4 hall of famers Augustus, Whalen, Maya, and Sylvia.
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The problem is the way the salaries for the contract are set. And the hard cap eliminates a lot of players. To keep the stars you have to pay max contracts which limits how much you have left to fill out your roster.
Plus every team has to have 11 players even if 2 of them seldom play.
 
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baggerbob said:
The problem is the way the salaries for the contract are set. And the hard cap eliminates a lot of players. To keep the stars you have to pay max contracts which limits how much you have left to fill out your roster.
Plus every team has to have 11 players even if 2 of them seldom play.
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Starting to resemble the mens side. I like it! Real is real and equality (sucks)? If I were a billionaire, I’d start another league. World League!! All the top international teams. I’d call it EWBL! Elite World Basketball League! Formatted like soccer. You play your way in or out! Let’s goooo!
Relegation or promotion!
 
Kaizen said:
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But I kinda understand that it is hard. The roster spots is limited, to be a competitive team you need to keep the stars, to keep the stars you need to pay max. The rookies come every year but the spot is limited, either you cut the veteran or you cut the rookie. They need to expand the league.

Anyway Chiney herself is not even play a lot (I think she's more broadcaster now rather than a player) but she still occupied that limited spot.
 
eebmg said:
As you can see by my hesitancy, I was not sure of the rules. Thanks for the clarification. Any link to the summarizing rules?
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Applies to players with 3 or more years of service. Does not apply to players participating for national teams with allowance for leaving up to two weeks before the start of their tournament/competitive games and they have 48 hours after their last game to report to their team again. Fines and suspensions are league imposed and mandatory so teams cannot do anything to keep their players from being affected.

2023 rules:
Fine of 1% of salary for every day of training camp missed due to playing obligations elsewhere, including fines assessed on players who are not under contract at the start of training camp, but sign later. There were about 60 players this year who this would apply to with half of them under contract at the time. Players who have playing obligations elsewhere on the opening day of the season will be suspended for the entire season or not be able to sign with any team if they are not under contract.

2024 rules:
Players with playing obligations elsewhere on May 1st (or opening day of training camp if that is later) will be suspended for the entire season or not be able to sign with any team if they are not under contract. Using this season's data as an example again, that would have resulted in suspensions for 16 players and ineligibility to sign this season for at 17 players, not including Erika De Souza and Erin Phillips who are listed on overseas team rosters right now, but have not played, although no WNBA team would be looking to sign either.

There should be some expectation that some leagues overseas will slightly tweak their schedules a bit to at least prevent players from being suspended.
 
Kaizen said:
Cheryl Reeve's comments are just bull-thit.
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Kaizen, I concur with your opinion. Personally, I'm confused by the cuts the WNBA teams are making, because it appears that they're toying with the women's lives, as well as their income. Apparently, these releases are common for the W, but unfair to players, who worked so hard to get drafted, only to be released from the team(s) later on.
May all the affected players find better circumstances, where they can make some money while playing pro basketball.
 
awhom111 said:
Applies to players with 3 or more years of service. . . .

2023 rules:
Fine of 1% of salary for every day of training camp missed due to playing obligations elsewhere, including fines assessed on players who are not under contract at the start of training camp, but sign later. There were about 60 players this year who this would apply to with half of them under contract at the time. Players who have playing obligations elsewhere on the opening day of the season will be suspended for the entire season or not be able to sign with any team if they are not under contract.

2024 rules:
Players with playing obligations elsewhere on May 1st (or opening day of training camp if that is later) will be suspended for the entire season or not be able to sign with any team if they are not under contract. Using this season's data as an example again, that would have resulted in suspensions for 16 players and ineligibility to sign this season for at 17 players, not including Erika De Souza and Erin Phillips who are listed on overseas team rosters right now, but have not played, although no WNBA team would be looking to sign either.

There should be some expectation that some leagues overseas will slightly tweak their schedules a bit to at least prevent players from being suspended.
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60 players is of order half of the players with three years' experience. I realize it's disruptive to the teams not to have key players around from the beginning, but the WNBA might be shooting themselves in the foot. I agree that some overseas leagues will adjust their schedules but likely not all, and the least likely to adjust their schedules probably are the most well-funded who pay the best.

There's a reason that players play overseas, and until the W can take care of that, I don't see the new policy leading to anything good.
 
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Kaizen said:
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Chiney could make some room. :oops:

As far as I can tell, she has become an average (kindly) / injury prone player. (who has oodles of other money sources). Too connected to be cut I guess.
 
Perhaps, and this is a big perhaps will Crystal play for the Lynx, they made their roster. Then they will be able to contract players for replacing unavailable players (injury or pregnancy)
 
FormerCTrez said:
Kaizen, I concur with your opinion. Personally, I'm confused by the cuts the WNBA teams are making, because it appears that they're toying with the women's lives, as well as their income. Apparently, these releases are common for the W, but unfair to players, who worked so hard to get drafted, only to be released from the team(s) later on.
May all the affected players find better circumstances, where they can make some money while playing pro basketball.
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The WNBA is probably the most competitive sports league in the USA for making a roster given that there are only 144 spots. Training camp will have all of the veterans not on guaranteed contracts plus hopefulls from previous years plus the current crop of draft picks. If anything, 3 draft rounds is too much; the overwhelming majority of them will be cut in training camp, including some first round picks. If anything, they should drop to 2 rounds.

Not sure how evaluating a candidate for a very competitive job opening is "toying with women's lives" and unfair to the players. No one is guaranteed a job in a pro sports league no matter how good you were in college. Followers of the WNBA know that getting drafted is by no means a guarantee that your name will be on a roster come Day 1.
 
I am a little surprised she was waived, even more surprised when I see their roster seems to be short on guards. The small number of roster spots makes hanging on very difficult unless a player is a superstar or near it. She may be able to be a replacement player if someone is injured or out for other reasons (such as Collier) but it again underscores how difficult it is to hang around the league for very long.
 
eebmg said:
Chiney could make some room. :oops:

As far as I can tell, she has become an average (kindly) / injury prone player. (who has oodles of other money sources). Too connected to be cut I guess.
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Sad but true. I'm in LA,. I follow the Sparks in a "left-handed" kind of way. I have nothing for or against Chiney. Last season after a while, she wasn't really missed. You can't be missed if you're not there. You can't help your team from the "tub." She wasn't there. There are other players in the mix very capable of taking her roster spot. We'll see how her presence impacts the team. It would be a major accomplishment if she were to play the entire season without missing any games. The best "ability" is AVAILABILITY!! ;)
 
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FormerCTrez said:
Kaizen, I concur with your opinion. Personally, I'm confused by the cuts the WNBA teams are making, because it appears that they're toying with the women's lives, as well as their income. Apparently, these releases are common for the W, but unfair to players, who worked so hard to get drafted, only to be released from the team(s) later on.
May all the affected players find better circumstances, where they can make some money while playing pro basketball.
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I wonder how much of this is due to salary increases. It’s a good thing that the WNBA is paying people more, but, if the pie remains the same size, that means there will need to be cuts to compensate.
 
Perhaps some of these cuts will help many Boneyarder's recognize how hard it is to make a roster. It is much more difficult than it was even a few years ago. Except for the elite players the best remaining players are not always guaranteed to make a roster. A lot of luck is involved as well. To make a roster a player has to fill a need and be ready to contribute right from the beginning. There are no developmental players in the WNBA.

It would also help is certain aging players, who are hanging on purely through reputation were to retire and allow younger players an opportunity for a spot.
 
willtalk said:
Perhaps some of these cuts will help many Boneyarder's recognize how hard it is to make a roster. It is much more difficult than it was even a few years ago. Except for the elite players the best remaining players are not always guaranteed to make a roster. A lot of luck is involved as well. To make a roster a player has to fill a need and be ready to contribute right from the beginning. There are no developmental players in the WNBA.

It would also help is certain aging players, who are hanging on purely through reputation were to retire and allow younger players an opportunity for a spot.
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Are you referring to these future HOFers or other WNBA players?

  • Bird (41)
  • Taurasi (39)
  • Parker (36)
  • Fowles (36) - retiring after this season
  • McCoughtry (35)
 
willtalk said:
Perhaps some of these cuts will help many Boneyarder's recognize how hard it is to make a roster. It is much more difficult than it was even a few years ago. Except for the elite players the best remaining players are not always guaranteed to make a roster. A lot of luck is involved as well. To make a roster a player has to fill a need and be ready to contribute right from the beginning. There are no developmental players in the WNBA.

It would also help is certain aging players, who are hanging on purely through reputation were to retire and allow younger players an opportunity for a spot.
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Crystal proved herself either in her 2 years in the W or overseas
I, personnaly, don't understand this number thing Reeve was talking about (salary cap ?)
 
From France said:
Crystal proved herself either in her 2 years in the W or overseas
I, personnaly, don't understand this number thing Reeve was talking about (salary cap ?)
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I thought that it had to do with her playing statistics & rankings.

stats.wnba.com

Crystal Dangerfield

Crystal Dangerfield Official WNBA Stats, Player Logs, Boxscores, Shotcharts and Videos
stats.wnba.com stats.wnba.com
 
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I think this is a league that is struggling to manage their last collective bargaining agreement - which was seen as a big win for players - no one anticipated all the ramifications of the combination of hard caps and max contracts. The max contracts eat away at that cap quickly so teams struggle to fit 11 players under the cap let alone 12.

This is going become even more of a nightmare once the league starts enforcing the overseas commitment rules and half a roster of veterans may be declared ineligible.
 
WNBA is stupid, let the bigs win & hope for others to develop^, it has always been a minus money talking
 
2020 players were playing in the wobble with quite a lot of player missing and a shortened season so rookie numbers while impressive might be inflated - and like any pro sport, teams and players spend a lot of time scouting opponents and opponents players.

An impressive rookie especially someone who is an outlier in some way may have a much easier first 20 games as players and teams search for ways to defend them and defensively exploit them. It is possible that a 21 game rookie campaign was a perfect 'honeymoon' for Danger and she has struggled to counter what the league has learned about her game.
 
UcMiami said:
2020 players were playing in the wobble with quite a lot of player missing and a shortened season so rookie numbers while impressive might be inflated - and like any pro sport, teams and players spend a lot of time scouting opponents and opponents players.

An impressive rookie especially someone who is an outlier in some way may have a much easier first 20 games as players and teams search for ways to defend them and defensively exploit them. It is possible that a 21 game rookie campaign was a perfect 'honeymoon' for Danger and she has struggled to counter what the league has learned about her game.
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She went from starter because we need you, to bench because we need you on a really good team
She proved she was a team first
 
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