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Creme Brktology 2/23

According to Massey, A&M gets the hardest bracket by far with UConn the second hardest
 
Creme is usually pretty accurate with who gets in (IIRC historically), but often gets placement and brackets wrong. We will see come March what the committee decides to do.
 
Wake Forest deserves to be in. The ACCT is going to be huge for them.
 
SCar does not deserve #3 at this point in time and I am biased.

SCar and A&M should be number 7 and 8 presntly with the last game winner to rise and loser MAYBE fall one place. Maybe not. Arizona may not be entitled to rise above the loser of that game.
 
So much for the number one over all getting the easiest route, seems to happen every time UCONN is the over all number one
 
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For me it would be UConn PLUS the power 5 leaders PLUS the two power 5 2d place team that haave a solid chance to pass the leaders. Arizona on the edge of being in top 8. Winner of SCar v. TxA&M will jump Maryland and Baylor next week. Loser may be jumped by Arizona.

  1. UConn
  2. Stan
  3. NC State
  4. Louisville
  5. Maryland
  6. Baylor
  7. TAMU
  8. SCar
 
visitingcock said:
SCar does not deserve #3 at this point in time and I am biased.

SCar and A&M should be number 7 and 8 presntly with the last game winner to rise and loser MAYBE fall one place. Maybe not. Arizona may not be entitled to rise above the loser of that game.
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haha, I appreciate the modesty, but #7 & 8? Uhhh, no.
I would have NC St #3, but dont know anyone that has a more of a claim on #4 than SC/TAM
 
I think its practically a lock that Arkansas will be in UConn's 'region'. Their bout last month is turning out to be one of the most competitive and visually entertaining games of this season. I also think if this was a non-covid year that Maryland would be moved to UConn's or SoCarolina's region.

It's usually fun to speculate who would get shipped to the more remote region. Unless your fav program is Lone-Star State based, that's just about everybody this year. Tough break for Stanford, who would most certainly be in the westernmost region.
 
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Vowelguy said:
haha, I appreciate the modesty, but #7 & 8? Uhhh, no.
I would have NC St #3, but dont know anyone that has a more of a claim on #4 than SC/TAM
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SCar/TAMU each have some very good wins but no Excellent wins. SCar's two High Quality losses don't mean much to me.

Maybe part of that is that I don't think SCar is good enough to be Top 4. Sure, we can hang with anybody due to defense, but we don't shoot well - especially in the last 4 minutes. The two clutch shooters graduated last year. Nobody has stepped up to fill their rolls. (Kiki dominated the SEC tourney last year. I don't see us winning the tourney this year). A&M hasn't played any Excellent teams.

Perhaps I'm overly pessimistic.
 
In the past few years Creme and the committee have compared notes. Prior to that Creme's bracket was a joke less than accurate. He didn't even understand the "Policies and Procedures", ignoring geography when it was the prime rule. My suspicion is that they have agreed to make each other look good. For once I'd like to see ESPN bring in Massey himself, or someone outside the NCAA/Creme circle who will actually ask follow up questions to the committee chairman. The way it is Creme sets up the country for the committee's bracket so they can say "See, even Creme agrees with us".
I have a feeling that this will be a crazy tournament and upsets will abound so whose to say whether UConn-Arkansas is likely.
 
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chuck.r said:
I think its practically a lock that Arkansas will be in UConn's 'region'. Their bout last month is turning out to be one of the most competitive and visually entertaining games of this season. I also think if this was a non-covid year that Maryland would be moved to UConn's or SoCarolina's region.

It's usually fun to speculate who would get shipped to the more remote region. Unless your fav program is Lone-Star State based, that's just about everybody this year. Tough break for Stanford, who would most certainly be in the westernmost region.
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Stanford (or any west coast team) nearly always got a break in the bracket. The weakest 1 or 2 seed was a virtual lock to be sent out west because of the geography rule and the fact that the west coast was almost always the furthest site for the rest of the 1 and 2 seeds. The games were seemingly always played on a court the Trees were familiar with.
 
visitingcock said:
For me it would be UConn PLUS the power 5 leaders PLUS the two power 5 2d place team that haave a solid chance to pass the leaders. Arizona on the edge of being in top 8. Winner of SCar v. TxA&M will jump Maryland and Baylor next week. Loser may be jumped by Arizona.
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For starters, no way either should be behind Louisville.

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visitingcock said:
SCar does not deserve #3 at this point in time and I am biased.

SCar and A&M should be number 7 and 8 presntly with the last game winner to rise and loser MAYBE fall one place. Maybe not. Arizona may not be entitled to rise above the loser of that game
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I know SC has lost 3 games but they have more Top 25 wins than anybody and you can't just discount that and they haven't lost to ANYBODY out of the top 25. You have to look at the entire resume. Look at the strength of schedules of the other teams you are putting in front of them. Now I agree they shouldn't have lost some of those games, but they've won a bunch others against the rest of the best. If we don't win both of our remaining games I'm with you but for this week don't shortchange your team just because you think they should be better.
 
LETTERL said:
Wake Forest deserves to be in. The ACCT is going to be huge for them.
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They lost to Notre Dame. In this day and age, that's a huge blemish on the resume to overcome.

Given how weak the ACC is this year, they were very lucky to catch Missouri State in a hangover after its huge win over Maryland. That's literally the only thing saving their bacon at this point.
 
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Vowelguy said:
Can we get a definitive list of "your" teams. You seem to have more teams than Geno has rings. :)
Or is it just any NC school except ... you know ... that one.
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I do root for 17 of the 18 Division I schools in North Carolina, but as far as MY teams go.... well... its
My Duke Blue Devils, NCA&T Aggies, UNC-G Spartans, High Point Panthers, Western Carolina Catamounts, Campbell Camels, UNC-Asheville Bulldogs, Garner Webb Bulldogs, and Presbyterian (SC) Blue Hose. Anything beyond that.. I'd just be greedy.

Hierarchy of the WCBB teams you root for
 
Plebe said:
They lost to Notre Dame. In this day and age, that's a huge blemish on the resume to overcome.

Given how weak the ACC is this year, they were very lucky to catch Missouri State in a hangover after its huge win over Maryland. That's literally the only thing saving their bacon at this point.
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I think Plebe has the same love for the ACC as I do for cooked green vegetables :rolleyes:
 
triaddukefan said:
Interesting bracket.... #2 Louisville matched up with #15 High Point (My panthers)
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I was hoping for a little outrage that "your Panthers" aren't projected at a higher seed.
 
triaddukefan said:
I think Plebe has the same love for the ACC as I do for cooked green vegetables :rolleyes:
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Interestingly, the analogy that comes to mind when I think of the bulk of the ACC is some really really soggy spinach. Just extremely flaccid with absolutely no body at all.
 
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visitingcock said:
For me it would be UConn PLUS the power 5 leaders PLUS the two power 5 2d place team that haave a solid chance to pass the leaders. Arizona on the edge of being in top 8. Winner of SCar v. TxA&M will jump Maryland and Baylor next week. Loser may be jumped by Arizona.

  1. UConn
  2. Stan
  3. NC State
  4. Louisville
  5. Maryland
  6. Baylor
  7. TAMU
  8. SCar
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A&M cut and dry has a better resume at this point than Maryland or Baylor. I don't see Arizona as a plausible threat to jump either team.
 
Updated with columns showing record against teams seeded #5-11 by Creme. I stop at 11 since that's where the last at-large teams are.

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Alydar said:
Stanford (or any west coast team) nearly always got a break in the bracket. The weakest 1 or 2 seed was a virtual lock to be sent out west because of the geography rule and the fact that the west coast was almost always the furthest site for the rest of the 1 and 2 seeds. The games were seemingly always played on a court the Trees were familiar with.
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I'm pretty sure that statement won't hold up to scrutiny. In 2018 Notre Dame was the #1 seed shipped out West, and since they cut the nets down they clearly weren't the weakest #1. Last 2 Tourneys the games have been played in Portland and Spokane, which are not arenas the Pac 12 teams are familiar with.

I'm going to keep going back further but I'm sure I'll find more results that don't jive with your position.

The Trees haven't been getting the highest seed of Pac 12 teams in recent years and thus have been sent packing themselves.

Also, UConn ALWAYS is either in Connecticut or New York. Baylor rarely has to leave Texas. Other teams routinely get breaks in the Tourney when it comes to geography.


edit--2017 South Carolina was shipped to Stockton (again not a Pac 12 familiar arena) and won the Championship that year; must not have been the weakest #1, again

2016 West Regional was in Sioux Falls, SD, which was due north of the Midwest Regional in Dallas; that location was an absolute joke, not even remotely close to being in the "West."
 
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