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Kemba15 said:
Even if he is an overqualified, amazing role player and an underqualified star, who cares? Do you really disagree with the idea that he's given everything to this program, and his passing, cutting, and basketball IQ often don't show up in the box score but have contributed to countless wins? It's very bizarre you're tearing him into like this---he has been good this season!
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He's a fabulous long time contributor to the program. For that he should be applauded.

He's just not even close to an all time great. All time greats do something more than being a 5th man. They win BIG POY's, get drafted highly and go onto great NBA careers, are AA's. They're usually at least the best 1-2 players on great UConn teams. If he takes this team on a run, I might rethink things. If they flame out early, he's firmly a great role player.
KingAG said:
And calling Adama the 5th best player in 23 should disqualify you from any further UConn discussions
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What? You asked who he was behind on the 23 list and missed Adama.
 
RuffRuff said:
If Baylor Scheirman went 30th in that 2024 draft, I think AK could have easily gone around him. Johnny Furphy dropped into early second. It was a super weak draft. Zachary Rissacher went 1 - he's already considered a bust.

Last year there was no point in leaving, as he got a bigger NIL bag coming back. He's being paid well from what I know.

My sense is Hurley needs to rethink some of his recruiting strategy. I think there is a lot of merit to him abandoning what worked for the profiles he's recruited the last couple years.
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Scheirman is doing well with the C's. Kalkbrenner has also done well, speaking of Creighton guys in a similar draft spot. Had Karaban been drafted around either of them, I would be surprised if he was thriving like they are. He made the right decision IMO.

I'm curious what you mean about rethinking recruiting strategy. Can you elaborate? I am concerned that Hurley's loyalty to Stewart and Ross will prevent him from recruiting over them next year, which means we will probably take a step back in our wing talent.
 
navery12 said:
Better maybe, but you're ignoring his accomplishments. For a fanbase that talks a lot about championships being all that matters, winning suddenly doesn't seem to matter all that much
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Define accomplishments? If they are longevity based, that is a very different category.
 
RuffRuff said:
He's a fabulous long time contributor to the program. For that he should be applauded.

He's just not even close to an all time great. All time greats do something more than being a 5th man. They win BIG POY's, get drafted highly and go onto great NBA careers, are AA's. They're usually at least the best 1-2 players on great UConn teams. If he takes this team on a run, I might rethink things. If they flame out early, he's firmly a great role player.

What? You asked who he was behind on the 23 list and missed Adama.
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That's your criteria, and its arbitrary. It's not any more correct than anyone elses.

Which again begs the question, why the crusade?

And thats not what I asked
 
RuffRuff said:
Define accomplishments? If they are longevity based, that is a very different category.
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No its not. If we talking UConn greats, longevity should be a feather in the cap. Especially when as you so eloquently stated, he couldve left and been drafted. He didn't stay because he sucked lmao.

People use this same argument against LeBron, and its dumb.
 
Donyell 360 said:
Scheirman is doing well with the C's. Kalkbrenner has also done well, speaking of Creighton guys in a similar draft spot. Had Karaban been drafted around either of them, I would be surprised if he was thriving like they are. He made the right decision IMO.

I'm curious what you mean about rethinking recruiting strategy. Can you elaborate? I am concerned that Hurley's loyalty to Stewart and Ross will prevent him from recruiting over them next year, which means we will probably take a step back in our wing talent.
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Lot's of loyalty is part of the issue, holding onto to carryovers, over-indexing on shooters, fully lacking the type of athletes that won B2B. Thinking he could teach defense. This current collection, beyond being rather undynamic, is a bit of a boring brand of basketball. Jump shooting half court teams that rely on positional defense, with low verticality, aren't must watch TV. They don't play very smart either. So there is very little ooh's and ah's with this team. Feels like Hurley is moving away from what got him there, holding on to throw backs. Granted they are 24-3, so cannot nit pick too much. It's been a weird year.
KingAG said:
That's your criteria, and its arbitrary. It's not any more correct than anyone elses.

Which again begs the question, why the crusade?

And thats not what I asked
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Not on a crusade. I can drop this here. I don't even find there to be much of a discussion on this one, feels more like you're vouching for the kid in some way that is hard to understand. I haven't gotten a reasonable argument as to why he's an all time great other than he is.
 
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RuffRuff said:
He's a fabulous long time contributor to the program. For that he should be applauded.

He's just not even close to an all time great. All time greats do something more than being a 5th man. They win BIG POY's, get drafted highly and go onto great NBA careers, are AA's. They're usually at least the best 1-2 players on great UConn teams. If he takes this team on a run, I might rethink things. If they flame out early, he's firmly a great role player.

What? You asked who he was behind on the 23 list and missed Adama.
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Karaban has averaged 13/5 every year since his freshman year and is top 10 in school history in defensive win shares despite average athleticism. Top 10 in program history in field goals, will likely have the most made 3s in program history, the list goes on.

This is a guy that some scouts (24/7) had ranked outside the top 100 recruits in his class. If you want to argue he has a lower ceiling than other guys, I get that, but he is undoubtedly an all-time great.
 
RuffRuff said:
Lot's of loyalty is part of the issue, holding onto to carryovers, over-indexing on shooters, fully lacking the type of athletes that won B2B. Thinking he could teach defense. This current collection, beyond being rather undynamic, is a bit of a boring brand of basketball. Jump shooting half court teams that rely on positional defense, with low verticality, aren't must watch TV.

Not on a crusade. I can drop this here. I don't even find there to be much of a discussion on this one, feels more like you're vouching for the kid in some way that is hard to understand. I haven't gotten a reasonable argument as to why he's an all time great other than he is.
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You have, you're just not reasonable. Its not hard to understand. His accolades make him an all time great. It's very simple. He a top 20-25 Husky of all time. Argue with your dog
 
KingAG said:
Name em. And were talking UConn careers. Don't conveniently leave out stats and accolades lmao
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I disagree with RuffRuff like I normally do, lolz. AK is close to top 20. I feel like i'm being a bit generous but it's what feels right considering the incredible team accomplishments since he's been here and how many games AK has started here.

I consider Rip, Emeka, Ray, Kemba, Shabazz, Donyell, Caron, Gordon, Clingan, Hasheem, Tristen, El-Amin, Sanogo, Jackson, Hawkins, Adrien, AJ Price, Rudy Gay, Cam, Castle, Smitty, Boat, Lamb, Burrell better than him.

Then there's Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, Cliff Robinson, Doron Sheffer, Charlie V, DeAndre Daniels. I'm giving the nod to AK over them and we know how good all those dudes were.
 
yungdowork said:
Karaban has averaged 13/5 every year since his freshman year and is top 10 in school history in defensive win shares despite average athleticism. Top 10 in program history in field goals, will likely have the most made 3s in program history, the list goes on.

This is a guy that some scouts (24/7) had ranked outside the top 100 recruits in his class. If you want to argue he has a lower ceiling than other guys, I get that, but he is undoubtedly an all-time great.
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Reasonable argument. Great story, lot's of longevity numbers. Again, he had the privelage of playing on 2 teams that won 12 additional games.

If I'm making rosters of all time UConn greats to win, I'm not putting him high on the list.
 
Cannot fathom the amount of handwringing going on about Alex Karaban of all players.

Say what you will about him as a player - star or role player - his achievements cannot be denied.

He has a highly decorated resume... among the best in the history of college basketball, let alone the UConn program. He should always have a place here. He chose UConn time and time again. And it's worked out pretty well. Winningest player in program history counts for an awful lot, even if he wasn't "the guy" during the biggest moments. Deserves to be celebrated.

He is not the problem with this team.
 
RuffRuff said:
Define accomplishments? If they are longevity based, that is a very different category.
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KingAG said:
No its not. If we talking UConn greats, longevity should be a feather in the cap. Especially when as you so eloquently stated, he couldve left and been drafted. He didn't stay because he sucked lmao.

People use this same argument against LeBron, and its dumb.
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Like Craig Carton on WFAN. Calls LeBron a compiler. LeBron is a Top 5, Top 10 All-Time player at worst.🙄
 
superjohn said:
I disagree with RuffRuff like I normally do, lolz. AK is close to top 20. I feel like i'm being a bit generous but it's what feels right considering the incredible team accomplishments since he's been here and how many games AK has started here.

I consider Rip, Emeka, Ray, Kemba, Shabazz, Donyell, Caron, Gordon, Clingan, Hasheem, Tristen, El-Amin, Sanogo, Jackson, Hawkins, Adrien, AJ Price, Rudy Gay, Cam, Castle, Smitty, Boat, Lamb, Burrell better than him.

Then there's Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, Cliff Robinson, Doron Sheffer, Charlie V, DeAndre Daniels. I'm giving the nod to AK over them and we know how good all those dudes were.
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This is a reasonable take. I couldn't argue confidently against that list. I can just confidently say he deserves to be mentioned. I wasnt there to watch Chris Smith and Scott Burrell so thats why they werent on my personal list. But they are definitely legends
 
RuffRuff said:
Reasonable argument. Great story, lot's of longevity numbers. Again, he had the privelage of playing on 2 teams that won 12 additional games.

If I'm making rosters of all time UConn greats to win, I'm not putting him high on the list.
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Those teams had the privilege of having Alex Karaban
 
superjohn said:
I disagree with RuffRuff like I normally do, lolz. AK is close to top 20. I feel like i'm being a bit generous but it's what feels right considering the incredible team accomplishments since he's been here and how many games AK has started here.

I consider Rip, Emeka, Ray, Kemba, Shabazz, Donyell, Caron, Gordon, Clingan, Hasheem, Tristen, El-Amin, Sanogo, Jackson, Hawkins, Adrien, AJ Price, Rudy Gay, Cam, Castle, Smitty, Boat, Lamb, Burrell better than him.

Then there's Josh Boone, Marcus Williams, Cliff Robinson, Doron Sheffer, Charlie V, DeAndre Daniels. I'm giving the nod to AK over them and we know how good all those dudes were.
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  1. Rip (Hamilton)
  2. Emeka (Okafor)
  3. Ray (Allen)
  4. Kemba (Walker)
  5. Shabazz (Napier)
  6. Donyell (Marshall)
  7. Caron (Butler)
  8. Gordon (Hayward)
  9. Donovan Clingan
  10. Hasheem (Thabeet)
  11. Tristen (Newton)
  12. Khalid El-Amin
  13. Adama Sanogo
  14. Andre Jackson
  15. Jordan Hawkins
  16. Jeff Adrien
  17. A.J. Price
  18. Rudy Gay
  19. Cam (Spencer)
  20. Stephon Castle
  21. Smitty (Smith)
  22. Ryan Boatright
  23. Jeremy Lamb
  24. Scott Burrell

Group 2​


  1. Josh Boone
  2. Marcus Williams
  3. Cliff Robinson
  4. Doron Sheffer
  5. Charlie Villanueva
  6. DeAndre Daniels

Pretty good list. I can probably find 5-10 more. 2009 team? Oriakhi?
 
Hurlees4hed said:
Cannot fathom the amount of handwringing going on about Alex Karaban of all players.

Say what you will about him as a player - star or role player - his achievements cannot be denied.

He has a highly decorated resume... among the best in the history of college basketball, let alone the UConn program. He should always have a place here. He chose UConn time and time again. And it's worked out pretty well. Winningest player in program history counts for an awful lot, even if he wasn't "the guy" during the biggest moments. Deserves to be celebrated.

He is not the problem with this team.
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Thank you.
 
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RuffRuff said:
Put Charlie Villanueva on those teams, better or worse? Who the "greater" Uconn player?
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Are you aware of the teams Charlie Villanueva played on? Lmao.

2004?

Taliek Brown
Ben Gordon
Charlie V
Josh Boone
Emeka Okafor
Hilton Armstong
Rashad Anderson
Denham Brown
(F) Marcus Williams

Stacked. Maybe better than 24


And who knows. You love fantasy land bs.

If you swap AK and Charlie V, and put AK on 2004 and Charlie on 2024 they both still win championships.
 
RuffRuff said:
He's a fabulous long time contributor to the program. For that he should be applauded.

He's just not even close to an all time great. All time greats do something more than being a 5th man. They win BIG POY's, get drafted highly and go onto great NBA careers, are AA's. They're usually at least the best 1-2 players on great UConn teams. If he takes this team on a run, I might rethink things. If they flame out early, he's firmly a great role player.

What? You asked who he was behind on the 23 list and missed Adama.
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Are Ricky, Taliek, KFree, Jake, Rashad, etc”all time greats”? None of them had any personal accolades. Yet they are revered here.
 
mauconnfan said:
Win, lose. Stronger wing defender that can’t score? That puts it all on Braylon and Silas and our offense is already stagnant enough.

I get it but there’s nothing on that bench that changes the dynamic of this lineup enough to make that change. You’ll live or die with hoping Solo makes shots because the options just don’t work, at least for me but who am I.

Ross is an energy guy, I get there’s a huge love affair for him here but that’s who he is. Perfect for coming off the bench because he rarely plays 2 good games in a row. Stew has been MIA, for him I think it’s an extremely short rope suddenly that will take away any shot of rhythm.

I don’t know, watched it closely last night. We’re not very athletic, slow on the perimeter and have very few options who can take anyone off the dribble. McDermotts plan worked amazingly. Just take the ball to the hoop, there’s no rim protection and at least we wil get them in foul trouble. You will see it the rest of the year in BE play and beyond.

Might want to practice a little zone to take people out of their plan on occasion? Maybe even throw Reibe in with Reed to throw a little advantage down the other end.

Who knows? I do know watching them I will be absolutely thrilled to get to the 2nd weekend with this team!
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I get what you’re saying. I’m not an efficiency metric guy, but all year our 5-best lineups, offensively, have featured Reed, Karaban, Stewart or Ross, Silas, and one of Ball or Mullins. Not both SG’s.

I think offensive rebounding improves with a longer 3. Stew does the little things. Ross is starting to offensively. And if Ross can shoot 30% from 3 while Ball is at 30% from 3, I’ll take Ross all day because of his intangibles.
 
RuffRuff said:
  1. Rip (Hamilton)
  2. Emeka (Okafor)
  3. Ray (Allen)
  4. Kemba (Walker)
  5. Shabazz (Napier)
  6. Donyell (Marshall)
  7. Caron (Butler)
  8. Gordon (Hayward)
  9. Donovan Clingan
  10. Hasheem (Thabeet)
  11. Tristen (Newton)
  12. Khalid El-Amin
  13. Adama Sanogo
  14. Andre Jackson
  15. Jordan Hawkins
  16. Jeff Adrien
  17. A.J. Price
  18. Rudy Gay
  19. Cam (Spencer)
  20. Stephon Castle
  21. Smitty (Smith)
  22. Ryan Boatright
  23. Jeremy Lamb
  24. Scott Burrell

Group 2​


  1. Josh Boone
  2. Marcus Williams
  3. Cliff Robinson
  4. Doron Sheffer
  5. Charlie Villanueva
  6. DeAndre Daniels

Pretty good list. I can probably find 5-10 more. 2009 team? Oriakhi?
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I wasn't doing it in order but the order isn't far off. I would bump Smitty and Burrell up a little. How did Gordon Hayward get on there?
 
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