Column on Oregon's Loss to Stanford

[Wbbfan1]

Canzano: Oregon Ducks fall flat in Las Vegas, get a lesson instead of a trophy

Columnist was tough on Ionescu.

 

[connie]

On retrospect, this may be exactly what Oregon needed. The team is just incredibly talented. They have four starters shooting over .400 3-point pct. Hard to believe Sabally is a freshman. Hebard's inside game is crafty and efficient (and a bit redolent of Napheesa's). Erin Boley's 13 ppg puts her fourth among the starters, and she shoots .453 from three-point land. Even Cazorla averages 10ppg--the least of the starters. Given the home region advantage, and Ionescu's "lesson", it is a safe guess that Oregon will destroy the early tournament competition (God help whoever they play next) and are an odds-on favorite to reach the FF.

 

[j66kicker]

On retrospect, this may be exactly what Oregon needed. The team is just incredibly talented. They have four starters shooting over .400 3-point pct. Hard to believe Sabally is a freshman. Hebard's inside game is crafty and efficient (and a bit redolent of Napheesa's). Erin Boley's 13 ppg puts her fourth among the starters, and she shoots .453 from three-point land. Even Cazorla averages 10ppg--the least of the starters. Given the home region advantage, and Ionescu's "lesson", it is a safe guess that Oregon will destroy the early tournament competition (God help whoever they play next) and are an odds-on favorite to reach the FF.

Satou Sabally is not a freshman. Her sister Nyara is a freshman and is also on the Oregon roster, but has missed this whole season with an injury.

Oregon Ducks 2018-19 Team Player Roster - College Basketball - ESPN

 

[BroadwayVa]

Canzano: Oregon Ducks fall flat in Las Vegas, get a lesson instead of a trophy

Columnist was tough on Ionescu.

It was a terrible game. Stanford was outclassed and out played. It hung in there long enough to get the win.
Sabrina --is an outstanding kid and an outstanding player. She'll be talked about in the WNBA for 10 or more years. It was a terrible game. I had no interest in who may have won that game it's just the play of Standford would not have won a game in the AAC.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Canzano: Oregon Ducks fall flat in Las Vegas, get a lesson instead of a trophy

Columnist was tough on Ionescu.

No Columnist ,Sabrina wasn't alone responsible for the loss, nor would she alone have been given credit for the victory. Great players take and feel great responsibilities. Sabrina is one of them.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I had no interest in who may have won that game it's just the play of Standford would not have won a game in the AAC.

That is some serious hyperbole there. I think it's more accurate to say Stanford's play would've been good enough to beat anyone in the AAC other than UConn.

 

[oldude]

Ionescu is a great talent, but this is not the first time she attempted to take over a game and came up short. 2 years ago in the Elite 8 game against UConn, Kia hounded her into multiple TO’s and bad shots to start off the game until Graves had to sit her down. Last year, in the 2nd half vs ND, she repeatedly drove into trouble as Oregon once again fell in the Elite 8.

Ionescu is incredibly talented and a fierce competitor. Her biggest shortcoming is that in pressure situations she tries all to often to do it all on her own.

 

[Alydar]

Ionescu is a great talent, but this is not the first time she attempted to take over a game and came up short. 2 years ago in the Elite 8 game against UConn, Kia hounded her into multiple TO’s and bad shots to start off the game until Graves had to sit her down. Last year, in the 2nd half vs ND, she repeatedly drove into trouble as Oregon once again fell in the Elite 8.

Ionescu is incredibly talented and a fierce competitor. Her biggest shortcoming is that in pressure situations she tries all to often to do it all on her own.

Not to start a brawl but Samuelson has the same problem.

 

[Undercovervol]

Not to start a brawl but Samuelson has the same problem.

But to be fair to her, in big games in the past and in this year, she's been the only player capable of getting a shot off in pressure situations. UConn doesn't have a great player that can create off the dribble, and Collier can't always dominate against bigger competition.

 

[DEpup]

That article to me confirmed how lucky we are to have Pheesa..... I don't see a need to be negative on this board about Sabrina but instead celebrate Pheesa even more.

 

[DEpup]

But to be fair to her, in big games in the past and in this year, she's been the only player capable of getting a shot off in pressure situations. UConn doesn't have a great player that can create off the dribble, and Collier can't always dominate against bigger competition.

I've noticed lately that Pheesa is just running the floor herself so that may be her way of still getting at create her own shot..

 

[DEpup]

Ionescu is a great talent, but this is not the first time she attempted to take over a game and came up short. 2 years ago in the Elite 8 game against UConn, Kia hounded her into multiple TO’s and bad shots to start off the game until Graves had to sit her down. Last year, in the 2nd half vs ND, she repeatedly drove into trouble as Oregon once again fell in the Elite 8.

Ionescu is incredibly talented and a fierce competitor. Her biggest shortcoming is that in pressure situations she tries all to often to do it all on her own.

And I don't think Graves has created the authority that Geno does to demand her to grow beyond that inclination.

 

[DefenseBB]

Not to start a brawl but Samuelson has the same problem.

You are correct, but then again no one, not even myself-a self proclaimed KLS Superfan believes her to be the NPOY, yet many others thought SI to be that.
The real question is simply who deserves the NPOY - Ionesco, Collier or Gustafson? Everyone else is far behind. All 3 are tremendous, all 3 have a perception flaw of “are they clutch”? There really is no wrong answer here.
For me, what Napheesa has done since KLS went down vaults her to the top. When Hebard went down, Oregon lost 2 games (@OSU and at home to UCLA). Granted tougher teams than Collier played but Sabrina struggled in both of these games, unable to elevate her game. Give Pheesa!!!!

 

[oldude]

Not to start a brawl but Samuelson has the same problem.

I find it interesting that a number of BY'ers criticized Lou after each of the FF losses during the last two years for not taking charge and here you criticize her for trying to do to much. I guess she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

 

[BroadwayVa]

That is some serious hyperbole there. I think it's more accurate to say Stanford's play would've been good enough to beat anyone in the AAC other than UConn.

Mis stated: The game Stanford played against Oregon would not have beaten many in the AAC, they were terrible. Hyperbole, you are kind---.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Mis stated: The game Stanford played against Oregon would not have beaten many in the AAC, they were terrible. Hyperbole, you are kind---.

Maybe I misread your first post. The game Oregon beat Stanford by 40 in Maples, sure that was a poor effort, the Cardinal would've lost to a lot of teams that day. If you are referring to the Pac 12 Tournament final, I strongly disagree with you.

 

[Alydar]

But to be fair to her, in big games in the past and in this year, she's been the only player capable of getting a shot off in pressure situations. UConn doesn't have a great player that can create off the dribble, and Collier can't always dominate against bigger competition.

Actually UConn's guards are both capable of creating off the dribble.

 

[bbballfan23]

Is the “triple-double queen” losing some of her luster at the most inopportune time?

Gustafson & Pheesa dominated last weekend. Never really thought Ionescu wouldn’t win NPOY until now. Still wouldn’t be shocked but it truly is WIDE OPEN as it should be based on how crazy this season has been. So much fun!

 

[DEpup]

As much as I hate there style of basketball because I think it is just ugly to watch and medically dangerous, I think UCF can be an upset opponent for any of the top teams not at 100%. I know it is just the AAC conference but their possession limiting style can be catastrophic to a good team having a bad shooting night and maybe missing a starter. That's why I think Geno was so satisfied with the conference title. It showed real maturity. Besides Rutgers, not sure there are a lot of P5 conference teams that play that style of basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if they win a game and maybe come close to winning a second in the tournament. I would be interested to see a top team minus their KLS take on UCF.

 

[southofnorth]

As much as I hate there style of basketball because I think it is just ugly to watch and medically dangerous, I think UCF can be an upset opponent for any of the top teams not at 100%. I know it is just the AAC conference but their possession limiting style can be catastrophic to a good team having a bad shooting night and maybe missing a starter. That's why I think Geno was so satisfied with the conference title. It showed real maturity. Besides Rutgers, not sure there are a lot of P5 conference teams that play that style of basketball. I wouldn't be surprised if they win a game and maybe come close to winning a second in the tournament. I would be interested to see a top team minus their KLS take on UCF.

I sincerely hope that UCF somehow gets matched up against Missouri. I think UCF might get brawled out of the building by Sophie Cunningham.

 

[DEpup]

I sincerely hope that UCF somehow gets matched up against Missouri. I think UCF might get brawled out of the building by Sophie Cunningham.

Good one. That would be quite a battle. I wonder if the refs could keep control of that game.

 

[donalddoowop]

Mis stated: The game Stanford played against Oregon would not have beaten many in the AAC, they were terrible. Hyperbole, you are kind---.

I don't usually disagree with you but, I believe you are wrong in saying Stanford's play against Oregon would not have beaten many in the AAC. What team would it not have beaten? Any team playing a terrible game would not have beaten Oregon, imo. Maybe not Stanford's best game but not a terrible one.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Is the “triple-double queen” losing some of her luster at the most inopportune time?

Gustafson & Pheesa dominated last weekend. Never really thought Ionescu wouldn’t win NPOY until now. Still wouldn’t be shocked but it truly is WIDE OPEN as it should be based on how crazy this season has been. So much fun!

There are multiple major NPOY awards. We may see 2 or 3 different winners.

 

[jonson]

Ionescu is a great talent, but this is not the first time she attempted to take over a game and came up short. 2 years ago in the Elite 8 game against UConn, Kia hounded her into multiple TO’s and bad shots to start off the game until Graves had to sit her down. Last year, in the 2nd half vs ND, she repeatedly drove into trouble as Oregon once again fell in the Elite 8.

Ionescu is incredibly talented and a fierce competitor. Her biggest shortcoming is that in pressure situations she tries all to often to do it all on her own.

I don't think a game when Ionescu was a freshman and Oregon an 11 seed playing UCONN in the Elite 8 on the East Coast (and right after beating Maryland) is really a very fair measuring stick. I likewise believe that "all too often" is an overstatement. But, that said, I agree that this is the downside of Ionescu's competitiveness. Getting things "just right" is a challenge for any very talented player, and at any level, and doing so in game after game is imo always a work in progress with inevitable failures along the way. To me, Oregon is at its best when she scores around her average and takes 15 shots or so. That was certainly not the case in the Pac 12 tournament final, and in the game with UCLA as well. (Graves's UCLA postgame comment about "shots I couldn't believe" was, I think, clearly aimed in her direction.). But, ideally anyway, this will be lesson going forward, as was, presumably, Notre Dame's loss to Louisville in last year's ACC final.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Asia Durr should be included in your list. IMO this is a four player race. The probable winner will be Ionesco. Pheesa could be the surprise winner.

You are correct, but then again no one, not even myself-a self proclaimed KLS Superfan believes her to be the NPOY, yet many others thought SI to be that.
The real question is simply who deserves the NPOY - Ionesco, Collier or Gustafson? Everyone else is far behind. All 3 are tremendous, all 3 have a perception flaw of “are they clutch”? There really is no wrong answer here.
For me, what Napheesa has done since KLS went down vaults her to the top. When Hebard went down, Oregon lost 2 games (@OSU and at home to UCLA). Granted tougher teams than Collier played but Sabrina struggled in both of these games, unable to elevate her game. Give Pheesa!!!!

 

[oldude]

I don't think a game when Ionescu was a freshman and Oregon an 11 seed playing UCONN in the Elite 8 on the East Coast (and right after beating Maryland) is really a very fair measuring stick. I likewise believe that "all too often" is an overstatement. But, that said, I agree that this is the downside of Ionescu's competitiveness. Getting things "just right" is a challenge for any very talented player, and at any level, and doing so in game after game is imo always a work in progress with inevitable failures along the way. To me, Oregon is at its best when she scores around her average and takes 15 shots or so. That was certainly not the case in the Pac 12 tournament final, and in the game with UCLA as well. (Graves's UCLA postgame comment about "shots I couldn't believe" was, I think, clearly aimed in her direction.). But, ideally anyway, this will be lesson going forward, as was, presumably, Notre Dame's loss to Louisville in last year's ACC final.

Good points all. I had one other thought about Ionescu. While Ionescu will likely win all of the national awards as the best pg, she really might be better as a 2-guard, where her attacking and scoring mentality might be better suited. MJ was a guard and the greatest player of all time, but he never played pg. We may have to wait to test out my theory until Ionescu turns pro, hopefully with a team that has a solid pg already on the roster.

 

[BroadwayVa]

I don't usually disagree with you but, I believe you are wrong in saying Stanford's play against Oregon would not have beaten many in the AAC. What team would it not have beaten? Any team playing a terrible game would not have beaten Oregon, imo. Maybe not Stanford's best game but not a terrible one.

Of course I was wrong. I was using exaggeration to indicate how bad I thought Stanford played and Won. However, on that one given night USF with a full load may have taken them. I believe both teams are much better than that game showed.
Thanks, I don't pretend to always be right, or wrong. Keep up letting me know when I missed the mark. Thanks.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Maybe I misread your first post. The game Oregon beat Stanford by 40 in Maples, sure that was a poor effort, the Cardinal would've lost to a lot of teams that day. If you are referring to the Pac 12 Tournament final, I strongly disagree with you.

Maybe I misread your first post. The game Oregon beat Stanford by 40 in Maples, sure that was a poor effort, the Cardinal would've lost to a lot of teams that day. If you are referring to the Pac 12 Tournament final, I strongly disagree with you.

I'm not sure you are disagreeing to my statement AAC teams would beat them or the acknowledge of an error in judgement and saying it was hyperbole (BS)
https://the-boneyard.com/threads/O
If you disagree with either you are more than right. ON that championship night, Stanford was bad that night --USF with a full team may have beaten them. The rest, without UC, could not beat that team (maybe?). Thanks I appreciate varying and different opinions--thats why I'm so different.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Good points all. I had one other thought about Ionescu. While Ionescu will likely win all of the national awards as the best pg, she really might be better as a 2-guard, where her attacking and scoring mentality might be better suited. MJ was a guard and the greatest player of all time, but he never played pg. We may have to wait to test out my theory until Ionescu turns pro, hopefully with a team that has a solid pg already on the roster.

MJ was not a PG? She IS the best PG in the world, and will prove it when she takes over the USA/Olympics from Sue. (pulling your leg)
I read MJ --Moriah Jefferson, old 23 no longer enters the brain.

 

[LoTrader]

I won't read the article referenced in this thread. The article is written by John Canzano, of the Oregonian? If so, he is a $)DLG*!!!!. I don't care what team, player, coach, etc. John Canzano writes about, his entire goal is to be alarming. He thinks he is the straw that stirs the drink. I'm surprised a single coach, or player, in the state of Oregon will speak to him. I don't know many who like the guy, and, I know many who know longer subscribe to the Oregonian because of this POS. BTW, I'm not even a UO fan, but I still won't read his trash.