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DallasBUFan said:
Still scratch my head at that. KLS is playing the lease less than several 2nd round picks. It's not like she is on a loaded team or anything. She has only played in 4 games thus far. That is pretty low compared to several other picks lower than her.
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Uh, probably because she's injured?
 
She is back and able to Play. She wasn't out very long with that. Even before the wrist she didn't play much.

Just stating my opinion that I don't think she was worthy of that pick. However, everyone who's been reading my last few post know I also don't agree with No.1 pick.
 
If selection to the All-Star team as a starter was based upon an efficiency rating, Napheesa would have been a starter. But it is based upon a number of factors. I still think fan voting should be the least important factor since obviously what team you play for and the size of your fan base can make a big difference. Napheesa is a great player, an All-Star, and she has many years of WNBA basketball ahead of her. Not sure what the problem is. Does she deserve to be a starter at her position? Maybe, but let her pay her dues and earn her stripes. She'll be fine.
 
Lynx23 said:
If selection to the All-Star team as a starter was based upon an efficiency rating, Napheesa would have been a starter. But it is based upon a number of factors. I still think fan voting should be the least important factor since obviously what team you play for and the size of your fan base can make a big difference. Napheesa is a great player, an All-Star, and she has many years of WNBA basketball ahead of her. Not sure what the problem is. Does she deserve to be a starter at her position? Maybe, but let her pay her dues and earn her stripes. She'll be fine.
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I think a lot of the reserves could give reasons why they should be a starter.
 
DallasBUFan said:
Still scratch my head at that. KLS is playing the lease less than several 2nd round picks. It's not like she is on a loaded team or anything. She has only played in 4 games thus far. That is pretty low compared to several other picks lower than her.
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Not only did she get injured, she got injured at the worst possible time.

She had probably her best minutes of the season in the game where she got injured and with Faulkner still out and Ndour at Eurobasket there would have been more opportunity for playing time.

Now, she's healthy again, but Faulkner and Ndour are back too. James Wade has been rolling with a rotation of Sloot-Quigley-DeShields-Lavender-Dolson (starters) and Williams, Copper, Parker (bench). Chicago isn't loaded but the Sky are fairly deep. KLS needs to play the 3 but she's like the 4th option at that position behind DeShields, Copper, and Williams.

Fair to question why they picked her in the first place because they had depth on the wing. I've been critical of Wade for not playing her enough myself. However, he is under pressure to make the playoffs and the standings are bunched pretty tight right now. It's easy for me to say Lou should play more from section 124.
 
Orangutan said:
Not only did she get injured, she got injured at the worst possible time.

She had probably her best minutes of the season in the game where she got injured and with Faulkner still out and Ndour at Eurobasket there would have been more opportunity for playing time.

Now, she's healthy again, but Faulkner and Ndour are back too. James Wade has been rolling with a rotation of Sloot-Quigley-DeShields-Lavender-Dolson (starters) and Williams, Copper, Parker (bench). Chicago isn't loaded but the Sky are fairly deep. KLS needs to play the 3 but she's like the 4th option at that position behind DeShields, Copper, and Williams.

Fair to question why they picked her in the first place because they had depth on the wing. I've been critical of Wade for not playing her enough myself. However, he is under pressure to make the playoffs and the standings are bunched pretty tight right now. It's easy for me to say Lou should play more from section 124.
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I like your analysis. I wondered why they picked her also. Not that she doesn't have the talent, but based on the same reason you said. It didn't make a lot of sense. I understand why Jackson was drafted and isn't playing as much considering she is a 2nd round pick and doesn't have much of a 3pt shot.
 
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Lynx23 said:
If selection to the All-Star team as a starter was based upon an efficiency rating, Napheesa would have been a starter. But it is based upon a number of factors. I still think fan voting should be the least important factor since obviously what team you play for and the size of your fan base can make a big difference. Napheesa is a great player, an All-Star, and she has many years of WNBA basketball ahead of her. Not sure what the problem is. Does she deserve to be a starter at her position? Maybe, but let her pay her dues and earn her stripes. She'll be fine.
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For me, she doesn't deserve to start. I think the frontcourt starters that were selected are all clearly ahead of her.

She has a clear argument for being a reserve. I think being a rookie worked against her. The reserves are chosen by the coaches, some of whom may have only played against her once.

She and Dearica Hamby are probably the two biggest all-star snubs. It's pretty crowded among the forwards. They easily could be there but I think both lost out to players who are more known quantities compared to a rookie in Collier and a 6th woman in Hamby who is having a career best year.
 
Not being selected only works in her favor in providing motivation. Also losing Shepard hurt since she clearly had the best understanding of how to optimize Pheesa's talents (and visa-versa). Can't wait until she is back healthy.
 
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Our "mature beyond her years" spokesman commenting on Fowles league-record 158th double-double. . :)

"The things that (Fowles) does, it's because she's so consistent with it that people don't acknowledge it as much as they should, but the passes that she catches, the things she can do, defensively, she can guard guards, I mean she can guard guards on the perimeter," rookie teammate Napheesa Collier, who had 14 points with 11 rebounds versus Phoenix, told the Lynx's official website.
 
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Not a good UConn day in the Lynx / Storm game. Naphessa having a poor shooting game and KML tweeked her foot and was lited after only 2 minutes of play :(
 
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eebmg said:
In the most comprehensive "Efficiency" stat which attempts to positively weigh positive stats and negatively weigh negative stats,

=((PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO)) / G).

Naphessa is ranked 12. All 11 players ahead of her are in the All Star game and many lower than her.

Start the investigation. ;)

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Obviously a "deep state" plot hatched by nefarious haters of all things morally correct. Can be no other explanation. ;)
 
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After every Linx game I look at the boxscore and see the same thing. Sims has more shots than anyone, more than Fowles and more than any forward. How does a professional team win that way?
 
JordyG said:
After every Linx game I look at the boxscore and see the same thing. Sims has more shots than anyone, more than Fowles and more than any forward. How does a professional team win that way?
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Uh, maybe ask the Warriors or the Raptors? Not unusual for a guard to take the most shots on a team.
 
Plebe said:
Uh, maybe ask the Warriors or the Raptors? Not unusual for a guard to take the most shots on a team.
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First Leonard is not a guard. Second, once Durant hit the team he took more shots than the guards.
 
JordyG said:
First Leonard is not a guard. Second, once Durant hit the team he took more shots than the guards.
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Both Curry and Thompson averaged more attempts per game than Durant this season.

I guess Leonard is considered to play the 3, but okay, we still have the following playoff teams with 1s and 2s leading in FGAs:
Houston (Harden)​
Portland (Lillard)​
Boston (Irving)​
Indiana (Oladipo)​
Utah (Mitchell)​
Brooklyn (Russell)​
San Antonio (DeRozan)​
in addition to Golden State (Curry)​
 
Plebe said:
Both Curry and Thompson averaged more attempts per game than Durant this season.

I guess Leonard is considered to play the 3, but okay, we still have the following playoff teams with 1s and 2s leading in FGAs:
Houston (Harden)​
Portland (Lillard)​
Boston (Irving)​
Indiana (Oladipo)​
Utah (Mitchell)​
Brooklyn (Russell)​
San Antonio (DeRozan)​
in addition to Golden State (Curry)​
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Clearly the NBA has transitioned to a small man 3pt shooting league and the inside game is based on slashers and pick / rolls. I think this has improved the NBA game and I am sure this is what WNBA wants to do. Unfortunately, the WNBA does not have as many accomplished 3pt shooters so many WNBA games are a slog. Fowles is being hammered every time and is triple teamed.

The outside shooters have to give her relief
 
Plebe said:
Both Curry and Thompson averaged more attempts per game than Durant this season.

I guess Leonard is considered to play the 3, but okay, we still have the following playoff teams with 1s and 2s leading in FGAs:
Houston (Harden)​
Portland (Lillard)​
Boston (Irving)​
Indiana (Oladipo)​
Utah (Mitchell)​
Brooklyn (Russell)​
San Antonio (DeRozan)​
in addition to Golden State (Curry)​
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So please edify me. Which of those teams won championships? Which guard shooting, dominant team before Golden State won a championship? If you say the Bulls, you'd be right. But in the history of the Association those teams are anomalies. The overwhelming majority of championship teams feed their forwards, as evidenced by the Raptors, in WCBB almost every UConn team, and Baylor from last year. That is because unless that guard is a Jordan, the GOAT or Curry the greatest shooter of all time, all the other team has to do is double or triple the guard and the offense sputters.
 
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JordyG said:
The overwhelming majority of championship teams feed their forwards, as evidenced by the Raptors, in WCBB almost every UConn team, and Baylor from last year.
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The Lynx dynasty was built around Whalen, Augustus, and Moore. Now you can say that Maya played "small forward" but she always led the Lynx in 3-point attempts. She is a perimeter player.

Besides, pounding the ball down to Fowles is not a winning strategy. Pokey Chatman's Sky teams proved that season after season.
 
Orangutan said:
The Lynx dynasty was built around Whalen, Augustus, and Moore. Now you can say that Maya played "small forward" but she always led the Lynx in 3-point attempts. She is a perimeter player.

Besides, pounding the ball down to Fowles is not a winning strategy. Pokey Chatman's Sky teams proved that season after season.
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Yes, Maya played small forward, and because she shot plenty of 3's hardly belies my point, it just amplifies it. Shooting 3's is the way the game is played and won today. Again, 2 of those players you've mentioned are indeed forwards. No, pounding it inside just to Fowles is not a winning strategy. I didn't say inside players. Getting your forwards more shots than you should be Sims' strategy. After all, it's easy for guards to get off shots. They have the ball all day.
 
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JordyG said:
Yes, Maya played small forward, and because she shot plenty of 3's hardly belies my point, it just amplifies it. Shooting 3's is the way the game is played and won today. Again, 2 of those players you've mentioned are indeed forwards. No, pounding it inside just to Fowles is not a winning strategy. I didn't say inside players. Getting your forwards more shots than you should be Sims' strategy. After all, it's easy for guards to get off shots. They have the ball all day.
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I brought up Fowles because you specifically mentioned in an earlier post that Sims was taking more shots than Fowles. Whereas you did not note any specific forward that should be getting more shots instead of Sims.

The distinction between forward and guard is entirely arbitrary. Moore has always been called a forward. Diamond DeShields was selected for the all-star game this year at guard. They play the exact same "3" position. Even if you stipulate that all "3" players are forwards, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense because 2s and 3s are often operating from the same parts of the court offensively.

Besides all that, it's been proven over and over that you can win with an offense based around guard play..

I mean, you had to call arguably the two greatest teams of all time - Jordan's Bulls and Curry's Warriors "anomalies" to make your point.

And in answering your own question about which guard-dominant team won a championship previous to the Warriors, you completely ignored Kobe's Lakers winning in 2009 and 2010.

And lastly, you may have tried to block it out of your mind but...2018 Notre Dame? That's another championship won by a guard-dominant team.

2007 and 2009 Mercury lead by Cappie and DT...the list goes on...

Feels like it would just be easier to say "Collier needs to shoot more" instead of making a faux-historical argument about which teams can and cannot win championships.
 
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Orangutan said:
I brought up Fowles because you specifically mentioned in an earlier post that Sims was taking more shots than Fowles. Whereas you did not note any specific forward that should be getting more shots instead of Sims.

The distinction between forward and guard is entirely arbitrary. Moore has always been called a forward. Diamond DeShields was selected for the all-star game this year at guard. They play the exact same "3" position. Even if you stipulate that all "3" players are forwards, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense because 2s and 3s are often operating from the same parts of the court offensively.

Besides all that, it's been proven over and over that you can win with an offense based around guard play..

I mean, you had to call arguably the two greatest teams of all time - Jordan's Bulls and Curry's Warriors "anomalies" to make your point.

And in answering your own question about which guard-dominant team won a championship previous to the Warriors, you completely ignored Kobe's Lakers winning in 2009 and 2010.

And lastly, you may have tried to block it out of your mind but...2018 Notre Dame? That's another championship won by a guard-dominant team.

2007 and 2009 Mercury lead by Cappie and DT...the list goes on...

Feels like it would just be easier to say "Collier needs to shoot more" instead of making a faux-historical argument about which teams can and cannot win championships.
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I said, "More than Fowles and more than any forward". I thought that was inclusive enough, considering Fowles is their only returning all star forward.

Even though the game has changed 3's are still expected to hit the boards, set more screens, play more in the lane, offensively work off more screens than 2's, work more off the elbow, work the high post and help inside more than 2's. 2's also are expected to bring up the ball more, occasionally play the 1, make more pocket passes and set the offense more.

Many critics (including me) that mention the greatest teams in the Association believe the old Lakers teams with Magic and Jabbar, the ones with Kobe and Shaq, and perhaps the Philly teams with Doc and Malone could beat this current Warriors team if the games were played under the rules of the past. As Shaq and Barkley says, they'd "Crush this tiny team". I agree.

Yes Kobe led his team to a championship. One of the top 5 greatest guards in history. A transcendent player. What you've forgotten is that those teams were gigantic, even for today with Odom, Bynum and Gasol, three 7 footers starting. That opens up the driving and shooting lanes just a little. Yes, I think those teams would have beaten the Warriors as well. Under the rules of 2009.

Again, 2007 and 2009 Mercury teams were great. The WNBA has been in existence for 23 years, the NBA for 72 years. How many guard oriented have won championships? Yes, you can win, but only if at least one guard is transcendent, but even then it's a crapshoot. More often than not, not, and Sims is not that transcendent guard. Not by a longshot.
 
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