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Cole, Gaff, Martin, Akok, Sanogo

CardiacAndre7 said:
If Sanogo isn’t in foul trouble he needs 30+. Against good teams he is our offense.
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He's huge, but I think he'll be most effective in his minutes playing 25 min vs. 32 (assuming healthy Whaley, would rather have Sanogo than Johnson)
 
XLCenterFan said:
Thank you. I get blasted here for even mentioning that he's just OK. From talking to the folks I know that are UConn fans, when compared to BY chatter, I have to say that folks on the BY are way higher on Ajax than most fans. I was with 4 other fans today, and not one of them wants Ajax on the court.
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No. You get blasted here for suggesting he sucks, most people here agree he's a flawed player who has plenty of room to improve
 
bendm said:
love the hype but UK brings Obi Toppin's brother, Lance Ware, Daimion Collins (top 20 recruit) and Bryce Hopkins (top 40 recruit) off the bench. i'd take akok over any of them but still they're deeper. i also think akok should be starting...

Cole (25)---Gaffney (15)
Hawk (20)--Jackson (15)-Gaff (5)
Martin (25)--Polley (15)
Akok (25)----Whaley (15)
Sanogo (30)-Whaley (10)
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When BE play starts, Akok will be replacing Jackson. As he should be.
 
navery12 said:
No. You get blasted here for suggesting he sucks, most people here agree he's a flawed player who has plenty of room to improve
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He does suck. I was just being nice. And that doesn't mean I don't think he has the ability to improve. And many here crowned him way too early, and won't listen to anyone who questions his ability. You can't all be his NIL agent.
 
8893 said:
Ha. Nice try. I realize that you're still trying to recover from the embarrassment of your preseason campaign against Cole, but you are the one who is capping Hawkins's minutes at 15 sight unseen. I merely pointed out that you couldn't possibly have a reasoned basis for that prediction, which you now seem to acknowledge. That, by definition, is a hot take.

I'm not vouching for anything except what my eyes told me when Hurley didn't start Gaffney in the first two games. I thought it was a no-brainer that Gaff would start once Hawkins was injured, but Hurley obviously didn't have that confidence. This leads me to conclude that Gaffney was the third option for the 2 spot before Hawkins was injured, which would also be consistent with the lineups he had for the scrimmage, as well as reports from people who had access to the team.
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No way. Gaffney is the second point guard quality wise and will be brought in after the first group so we don’t drop off. He does a lot of things well. Hurley will go with what he knows, always has.
 
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UConnSwag11 said:
Jackson has to start shooting the three or at least drive midrange otherwise teams will sag deep into the paint
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Dre just looks lost in a half court game. At this point take the damn shot even if you miss instead of playing hot potato every time you touch it.
On anothercnote, Akok’s energy changed the game early on. Heart and soul of this team.
 
XLCenterFan said:
He does suck. I was just being nice. And that doesn't mean I don't think he has the ability to improve. And many here crowned him way too early, and won't listen to anyone who questions his ability. You can't all be his NIL agent.
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There's plenty of room for nuance in the discussion about Andre, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously and be willing to have that discussion with you when you start off your posts like you just did
 
navery12 said:
There's plenty of room for nuance in the discussion about Andre, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously and be willing to have that discussion with you when you start off your posts like you just did
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Well it seems I found his NIL agent.
 
businesslawyer said:
But but but … star ratings.
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I'm not down on Hawkins. I'm anxious to see how he does and if he is as good as advertised UConn is a legit E8 or better team.

What I was referencing is minutes played is a zero sum game. I agree with others that Polley is susceptible to getting minutes chopped. The way Gaff has played so far, he's going to get 20 mpg every game.

And it's not just pure skill it's meshing with the other players on the floor.

Come, Gaff, Martin, Akok and Sanogo is a natural lineup and they play quick and with purpose on offense. On defense there's plenty enough length, speed and tenacity to keep opponents in check.
 
Whaleys defense and his D on screens will keep him ahead of Akok.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
I'm not down on Hawkins. I'm anxious to see how he does and if he is as good as advertised UConn is a legit E8 or better team.

What I was referencing is minutes played is a zero sum game. I agree with others that Polley is susceptible to getting minutes chopped. The way Gaff has played so far, he's going to get 20 mpg every game.

And it's not just pure skill it's meshing with the other players on the floor.

Come, Gaff, Martin, Akok and Sanogo is a natural lineup and they play quick and with purpose on offense. On defense there's plenty enough length, speed and tenacity to keep opponents in check.
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I’m not down on Hawkins either. He very well may have earned his starting spot in camp. My point, however, is that once you see a player on the court it stops mattering what rating services predicted of him when he was in High School. Or how few years player’s entourages think they need to be in college before going pro.

And I don’t disagree that Akok and Sanogo are a better offensive pairing than Whaley and Sanogo. But defense will factor into it as well, and if one of Akok or Sanogo can’t guard on the perimeter Whaley isn’t losing minutes. (Although I see all 3 of them playing at least 20 minutes a night anyway, with the extra minutes depending on who is playing well. And from what I saw of Johnson, his understanding of how to play college hoops isn’t going to catch up to his talent level anytime soon.)
 
XLCenterFan said:
He does suck. I was just being nice. And that doesn't mean I don't think he has the ability to improve. And many here crowned him way too early, and won't listen to anyone who questions his ability. You can't all be his NIL agent.
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He may be overrated and you don’t like his game but to say he sucks is ridiculous. He can’t shoot but does a lot of other things better than most players. His versatility is better than most. Danny Hurley who has coached for a while now doesn’t think he sucks but some dude thats a fan of the XLCenter knows better. Cool.
 
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navery12 said:
Let me know when you're ready to have an adult conversation and I'm happy to talk about Andre Jackson
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Huskyforlife said:
Day after day with you. Your fixation is weird dude.
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Candyman34 said:
He may be overrated and you don’t like his game but to say he sucks is ridiculous. He can’t shoot but does a lot of other things better than most players. His versatility is better than most. Danny Hurley who has coached for a while now doesn’t think he sucks but some dude thats a fan of the XLCenter knows better. Cool.
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If I told you this guys stats were good, what would you say? Because these were his numbers last year. He doesn't pass the eye test either. Maybe in the pre-game layup line.

3 point % was .118
More fouls per game than points - 2.8/2.7
Almost as many turnovers as assists per game - 1.2/1.6
 
XLCenterFan said:
I'm ready. Go.
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You say Andre Jackson sucks, I think that's a ridiculous statement. Sucks at shooting, sure. He's already an elite passer and shows flashes of greatness on the defensive end. Even if he never takes another jump shot again he has value as a role player on this team. A role player who you have to heavily shelter minutes surrounded by 3 other shooters, but there's no arguing he has a role on this team
 
XLCenterFan said:
If I told you this guys stats were good, what would you say? Because these were his numbers last year. He doesn't pass the eye test either. Maybe in the pre-game layup line.

3 point % was .118
More fouls per game than points - 2.8/2.7
Almost as many turnovers as assists per game - 1.2/1.6
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Do you think Polley should play over him?
 
navery12 said:
You say Andre Jackson sucks, I think that's a ridiculous statement. Sucks at shooting, sure. He's already an elite passer and shows flashes of greatness on the defensive end. Even if he never takes another jump shot again he has value as a role player on this team. A role player who you have to heavily shelter minutes surrounded by 3 other shooters, but there's no arguing he has a role on this team
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This. Maybe me saying he has to take those threes is asking a lot but he will be playing a lot bc of his versatility on both ends
 
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navery12 said:
You say Andre Jackson sucks, I think that's a ridiculous statement. Sucks at shooting, sure. He's already an elite passer and shows flashes of greatness on the defensive end. Even if he never takes another jump shot again he has value as a role player on this team. A role player who you have to heavily shelter minutes surrounded by 3 other shooters, but there's no arguing he has a role on this team
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He's not an "elite" passer. Again, there's an example of folks here crowning him. Almost as many turnovers as assists per game - 1.2/1.6

He needs to work on his D. "Flashes?" Maybe. He couldn't get off the court without fouling too much last year, and many of those fouls were unnecessary and way too far from the basket. He averaged more fouls per game last year than points.

Does he currently have a role? Yes. Can it increase? Yes. Can it decrease? yes.
 
navery12 said:
You say Andre Jackson sucks, I think that's a ridiculous statement. Sucks at shooting, sure. He's already an elite passer and shows flashes of greatness on the defensive end. Even if he never takes another jump shot again he has value as a role player on this team. A role player who you have to heavily shelter minutes surrounded by 3 other shooters, but there's no arguing he has a role on this team
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You're wasting your time.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
What does Polley do well consistently that has him playing over Jackson?
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Neither impress me anymore, but Polley can at least be relied upon to shoot more and shoot better. Also, he is less prone to bad fouls on the defensive end. If I had to choose one right now, it's Polley. That could change though. You're asking me to split hairs. Ultimately, when I watch games (and I watch them all), I curse less at Polley.
 
businesslawyer said:
I’m not down on Hawkins either. He very well may have earned his starting spot in camp. My point, however, is that once you see a player on the court it stops mattering what rating services predicted of him when he was in High School. Or how few years player’s entourages think they need to be in college before going pro.
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But we have seen Gaffney on the court for two seasons already so that part is not conjecture. He's played well these first two games but he hasn't won the starting spot. That we know. Having a guard of his quality as a backup will be a nice luxury to have, if that's what it comes down to.

I imagine it may change from game to game, but my assumption is that Hawkins is in contention for the starting spot once healthy and none of us have a basis to write that off until we've seen him healthy--which could take a few games or a whole season...
 
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