CNN Piece on Hardwick Lawsuit

[diggerfoot]

No, I have and as a pastor it is completely disheartening because creationism is as bad Biblically as it is scientifically. Actually, I am starting to work on a book of exercises to help people see/discover for themselves the multiple creation stories in Genesis, variances in the Gospel stories of the birth of Christ, entry to Jerusalem, the Last Supper, the garden of Gethsemene, the trials before the Sanhedrin and Pilate, the crucifixion and the resurrection. Then in seeing the variation to explore the richness of witness uncovered in diversity as the Biblical authors attempted to speak the stories of the God of Israel and Jesus of Nazareth to their unique communities.

One of the things to do is to help people make their own discoveries rather than teach an outcome. This is a very old model back to at least the Greeks but in the present climate of teach to test it is difficult. Letting people experience and think takes time. Dogmatism rarely works in faith or politics. Provocation is a much stronger teaching model.

You tossed out the key word here, dogmatism. I admit I have a cross to bear in regards to dogmatism that leads me to get carried away at times (almost dogmatic you might say). Religious dogma accounts for the creationism problem; some forms of political and economic dogma accounts for why education has become less effective and accessible to the general population, reversing the impact of the GI Bill heyday. With these varied problems there is the common root of some type of dogma that keeps us from learning from alternative views or mistakes. Not to mention there is a lack of humility evident in people, groups or organizations being dogmatic.

Geesh! There I go again. I vow to just stick to basketball on the Boneyard from here on.

 

[easttexastrash]

I've always said Dallas is Atlanta without the soul. Only metro in the South where, after the end of institutionalized segregation, Blacks were actually enfranchised economically. In the 1960s, its motto was, "the city too busy to hate." It should be noted, however, that many of its citizens found the time.

I've always thought of Dallas as a more sophisticated Atlanta.

 

[alexrgct]

I've always thought of Dallas as a more sophisticated Atlanta.

The Jersey Shore of Texas???

 

[JACKofallTrades]

As to the Creationism issue... I'm an agnostic with a highly science based education & background. But the fact a large % of people believe in creationism... and that makes (other) people upset... makes me wonder. Why aren't (the same people) upset that an even larger % of people believe in socialism & Marxism?

Creationism isn't hurting anyone (compared to say, other religious beliefs like Wahhabi radicals). But socialism (as Hayek expressed it) certainly is. Just look at Europe & our own (actual) debt of 140+ trillion. I just find the disconnect curious.

Our universities are full of "smart" educated people (professors in the humanities)... who truly believe American capitalism is the root of all evil & Marxism is the (only) way to Utopia. Economic imbeciles that influence public policy & our youth. Yet it's "creationism" that gets you riled?

 

[ed4ourgirls]

Looks like it's time for someone to cap this thread.

 

[Biff]

As to the Creationism issue... I'm an agnostic with a highly science based education & background. But the fact a large % of people believe in creationism... and that makes (other) people upset... makes me wonder. Why aren't (the same people) upset that an even larger % of people believe in socialism & Marxism?

Creationism isn't hurting anyone (compared to say, other religious beliefs like Wahhabi radicals). But socialism (as Hayek expressed it) certainly is. Just look at Europe & our own (actual) debt of 140+ trillion. I just find the disconnect curious.

Our universities are full of "smart" educated people (professors in the humanities)... who truly believe American capitalism is the root of all evil & Marxism is the (only) way to Utopia. Economic imbeciles that influence public policy & our youth. Yet it's "creationism" that gets you riled?

Just a note that we are about a half step away from the cesspool for this thread if this is the direction it is going.

 

[alexrgct]

As to the Creationism issue... I'm an agnostic with a highly science based education & background. But the fact a large % of people believe in creationism... and that makes (other) people upset... makes me wonder. Why aren't (the same people) upset that an even larger % of people believe in socialism & Marxism?

Creationism isn't hurting anyone (compared to say, other religious beliefs like Wahhabi radicals). But socialism (as Hayek expressed it) certainly is. Just look at Europe & our own (actual) debt of 140+ trillion. I just find the disconnect curious.

Our universities are full of "smart" educated people (professors in the humanities)... who truly believe American capitalism is the root of all evil & Marxism is the (only) way to Utopia. Economic imbeciles that influence public policy & our youth. Yet it's "creationism" that gets you riled?

Actually ignorance of all sorts, especially willful ignorance, gets me riled, especially when it tends to produce significantly poor educational, military, and social policy. There are strong correlations.

The rest of your post is too bizarre to even respond to. I'm certainly not a Marxist, but Karl wasn't exactly a proponent of the line items that make up an enormous percentage of the debt of nations. In fact, the very notion of the state was not one he espoused; he was fundamentally an anarchist.