Clemson's Football guru reporting B12 deal

[TouchdownHusky]

I prefer holding out and going somewhere better!

"The fact that Georgia Tech is talking with the Big 12 gives you a pretty good idea as to the future of the ACC. The conference has been out flanked by its peers and will have likely have its work cut out to ensure its survival. "The hunter has now become the hunted". As one poster put it . . . Karma.

It is very likely that you see the SEC make a play for two ACC institutions. One is likely to be Virginia Tech, the other has long been rumored to be North Carolina State. The Big 10 has always had an eye on expanding into new markets and the ACC possesses institutions in Duke, UNC, Maryland, and UVA that would pair well with their current culture." So what? When the music stops there will be UConn, Pitt, Miami, Syracuse, Rutgers, BCU, Cincy, L'Ville, South Florida? Add in Wake Forest and there you have it. Maybe they could call this new conference the The Big East Retro.

Really, you want to play Wake Forest and BC every year???

You mean as opposed to Buffalo, Temple and Western Michigan? Got something against upgrades?

Somebody, somewhere (Congress? the NCAA, television moguls) needs to stop this conference dating & dumping scenarios. Seen less shuffling at high schools getting reading for the prom.

 

[Stinger92860]

I prefer holding out and going somewhere better!

"The fact that Georgia Tech is talking with the Big 12 gives you a pretty good idea as to the future of the ACC. The conference has been out flanked by its peers and will have likely have its work cut out to ensure its survival. It is very likely that you see the SEC make a play for two ACC institutions. One is likely to be Virginia Tech, the other has long been rumored to be North Carolina State. The Big 10 has always had an eye on expanding into new markets and the ACC possesses institutions in Duke, UNC, Maryland, and UVA that would pair well with their current culture."

Really, you want to play Wake Forest and BC every year???

Based on what you wrote above, we do not get an invite to either the B12 or B10, so where do we go?

 

[CL82]

You mean as opposed to Buffalo, Temple and Western Michigan? Got something against upgrades?

Somebody, somewhere (Congress? the NCAA, television moguls) needs to stop this conference dating & dumping scenarios. Seen less shuffling at high schools getting reading for the prom.

Well they can't stop it now or we're screwed. We just need the deck to reshuffle a few more times and we'll be in a better position.

My 'not gonna happen' - 'best case scenario' is that that ACC blows up and lacks the juice to pull anyone else into the rubble. NBC or whoever brokers a new east coast conference out of the smoldering remains. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutty, BC, USF, Miami, Duke, Maryland, NCst, Wake and the most attractive leftover. Not a powerhouse football conference by any means, but a decent league that makes geographic sense and draws it's value from the # of TVs in the markets it covers. UConn can compete in that league and in time be the big dog. It's pretty solid for basketball as well.

 

[The Funster]

Well they can't stop it now or we're screwed. We just need the deck to reshuffle a few more times and we'll be in a better position.

My 'not gonna happen' - 'best case scenario' is that that ACC blows up and lacks the juice to pull anyone else into the rubble. NBC or whoever brokers a new east coast conference out of the smoldering remains. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutty, BC, USF, Miami, Duke, Maryland, NCst, Wake and the most attractive leftover. Not a powerhouse football conference by any means, but a decent league that makes geographic sense and draws it's value from the # of TVs in the markets it covers. UConn can compete in that league and in time be the big dog. It's pretty solid for basketball as well.

This would be my hope. I'll go A step further, though: what if ND decides that if it's going to join a conference, it might be better to go with one of it's own design? It partners with NBC, helps create a new 12 team conference ND/BC/UConn/Rutgers/Pitt/Cuse/Duke/UNC/NCSt/MD/Wake/UVA

 

[Stinger92860]

This would be my hope. I'll go A step further, though: what if ND decides that if it's going to join a conference, it might be better to go with one of it's own design? It partners with NBC, helps create a new 12 team conference ND/BC/UConn/Rutgers/Pitt/Cuse/Duke/UNC/NCSt/MD/Wake/UVA

As crazy as this scenario appears, as I read it (again) I asked myself, where can ND get the best TV deal. Its possible this league may offer ND the best road to money and relevance, though it would not play to its historical rivalries. They can write their own deal with this league and have 2 games left for rivalries, thou I am not sure who gets dropped. With ND this league also has a seat at the playoff table. Would everyone agree to let ND run the show and take most of the football money, much like Texas?

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

So...uh...is this for real or not? This thread is 2 days old and I haven't seen one reputable media outlet report this. Are we starting to source guys like Huskyfandan and going 3 pages on any given rumor (no offense to Huskyfandan).

 

[upstater]

As crazy as this scenario appears, as I read it (again) I asked myself, where can ND get the best TV deal. Its possible this league may offer ND the best road to money and relevance, though it would not play to its historical rivalries. They can write their own deal with this league and have 2 games left for rivalries, thou I am not sure who gets dropped. With ND this league also has a seat at the playoff table. Would everyone agree to let ND run the show and take most of the football money, much like Texas?

ND has never been about money. They want independence, they don't want to become just another college football school. Their whole identity is wrapped up in the perception that their school is a national phenomenon. That's what the NBC exclusivity deal affords them. Inside the B12, this wouldn't be true anymore even if they increased $$$.

This is why ND would be headed to the B10, because that contract is $25m+ a year and slated to rise much higher if it includes ND.

 

[Stinger92860]

ND has never been about money. They want independence, they don't want to become just another college football school. Their whole identity is wrapped up in the perception that their school is a national phenomenon. That's what the NBC exclusivity deal affords them. Inside the B12, this wouldn't be true anymore even if they increased $$$.

This is why ND would be headed to the B10, because that contract is $25m+ a year and slated to rise much higher if it includes ND.

If ND is about independence and not the money, why would they join the B10 and leverage the contract?

 

[CL82]

ND has never been about money. They want independence, they don't want to become just another college football school. Their whole identity is wrapped up in the perception that their school is a national phenomenon. That's what the NBC exclusivity deal affords them. Inside the B12, this wouldn't be true anymore even if they increased $$$.

This is why ND would be headed to the B10, because that contract is $25m+ a year and slated to rise much higher if it includes ND.

Yep and even then it requires two things to happen. 1) NBC would have to not renew it's contract with ND and 2) ND would have to be excluded from post season play without conference affiliation. IF those two things happen, then the B10 is the natural fit, and most $$.

 

[Waquoit]

Conspiracy Kitty sighs and says "no cameras"

You do know that cats are highly susceptible to aluminum poisioning don't you?

 

[B1GEast]

https://twitter.com/#!/DaveSittler/status/204252144201777152

Dave Sittler‏@DaveSittler
Sources: Big 12 expansion breakdown: 4 schools OK with it, 4 on fence, 1 pushing hard to make it happen, 1 pushing hard to prevent it

 

[RS9999X]

https://twitter.com/#!/DaveSittler/status/204252144201777152

Dave Sittler‏@DaveSittler
Sources: Big 12 expansion breakdown: 4 schools OK with it, 4 on fence, 1 pushing hard to make it happen, 1 pushing hard to prevent it

I saw this last night. Given the vote breakdown a compromise for 12 with the Conference game (ending the mockery of the Big 12 with only 10 teams), and adding FSU/Clemson looks like the only compronise. After going on tilt and adding TCU it would seem like FSU/Clemson is a sane reaction and one Texas could live with. The Texas ego is such I don't see adding Pitt and Louisville rumors (as a swap for Missouri and Texas A&M) as credible.

You could make an argument that the Big 12 will be stronger and more diverse in more of the right markets:

1) Texas A&M - FSU
2) Nebraska - Clemson
3) Missouri - West Virginia
4) Colorado - TCU

 

[alexrgct]

Georgia Tech delivers the Atlanta market like a strip club delivers women you'd want to date.

No one in Atlanta cares about Ga Tech. There are about five schools, including Clemson, that have bigger followings in the ATL.

 

[CL82]

You do know that cats are highly susceptible to aluminum poisioning don't you?

Hmmn, would the symptoms of aluminium poisoning including paranoid delusional thinking and perhaps obsessive college sports forum use?

 

[Jericho]

So...uh...is this for real or not? This thread is 2 days old and I haven't seen one reputable media outlet report this. Are we starting to source guys like Huskyfandan and going 3 pages on any given rumor (no offense to Huskyfandan).

It's been that way for months. Why change now?

 

[TuxedoYoda]

Would everyone agree to let ND run the show and take most of the football money, much like Texas?

It is amazing how people make weird statements like this. The Big 12 now shares tier 1 & tier 2 money equally. In the past, part of it was divided equally and part was dolled out based on national TV appearances AND under the old scheme, there were a number of years in which Texas didn't make the most Big 12 TV revenue.

Texas never unilaterally imposed rules on the Big 12 or just took more of the money for no reason.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

Georgia Tech delivers the Atlanta market like a strip club delivers women you'd want to date.

No one in Atlanta cares about Ga Tech. There are about five schools, including Clemson, that have bigger followings in the ATL.

Take back what you said about Strip Club Women.

 

[businesslawyer]

Georgia Tech delivers the Atlanta market like a strip club delivers women you'd want to date.

No one in Atlanta cares about Ga Tech. There are about five schools, including Clemson, that have bigger followings in the ATL.

Please don't assume that you know who I would want to date.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Oliver Luck looking like a genius. Here's the thing that pisses me off. I travel to Lubbock, TX almost every week for work. Nice people but just in the middle of no-where. The fact that they, or Kansas, or Kansas State are in one of the "haves" conferences just blows me away. Congress will intervene in 3-2-1

Compared to what exactly? Mississippi State? Colorado? Oregon State? Iowa? Northwestern? Football is driving the bus, but what really matters is having a program that moves the needle in either basketball or football (both is best). Kansas is one of a handful of basketball programs that moves the ratings needle. K-State has actually been good in both sports for the last several years. Iowa State would be more appropriate if you're looking for a school that "lucked out". Kentucky is very valuable to the SEC despite being terrible at football, because they attract viewers to SEC basketball. Kansas has the same role in the Big 12 (and managed to win an Orange Bowl not long ago).

I do think Congress will step in and the NCAA will be running the football playoffs...either 8, 12 or 16 teams.

 

[RS9999X]

Georgia Tech is a Big East Coast Conference team (BECC) waiting to happen. Like Boston College and Wake and Duke and Maryland and Virginia.

 

[observer]

So...uh...is this for real or not? This thread is 2 days old and I haven't seen one reputable media outlet report this. Are we starting to source guys like Huskyfandan and going 3 pages on any given rumor (no offense to Huskyfandan).

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Clemson to the Big 12 being a 'done deal' is just like WVU to the SEC, which if you relied on the WVU board for your info happened about a year ago, several times.

If Clemson leaves the ACC for the Big 12 it will be the first time that I can recall that a team has left a solid stable conference for another. All of the teams that have left the BE did so in part because the BE was a disfunctional comglomeration of teams most of which were ready to leave the second they got invited elsewhere. The four teams that left the Big 12 did so at a time when that conference had its share of problems.

The guy on the WVU board who they all revere as a guru, does that mean he has more than one tooth?, said in his post telling people that FSU to the Big 12 was a done deal also said that the new bowl between the SEC/Big 12 would mean 3 million per team. As I posted elsewhere, 10 Big 12 teams plus 14 SEC teams is 24 times 3 means that game, which is virtually NEVER going to match the actual champions of those leagues as long as there is a BCS of some sort in place will be worth 72 million dollars. Last years Rose Bowl generated 33 million and no BCS game was even remotely close to 70 million. But a guy posts 'FSU to the Big 12" and everyone wets their pants in awe and agreement even though what else he says in his post is pure nonsense.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

HuskyHawk - Kansas football moves the needle? Uh..what?

 

[RS9999X]

But a guy posts 'FSU to the Big 12" and everyone wets their pants in awe and agreement even though what else he says in his post is pure nonsense.

I was in agreement with that until the coach and the BOT chairmen and the head of the FSU boosters got on board the Big 12 train.

Run the numbers and it doesn't look good for the ACC holding on to FSU or Clemson *IF* the Big 12 is expanding. It's gathering the Texas A&M and Missouri momentum and the way the contracts are set up the timing for a change is this Summer.

 

[freescooter]

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.

Clemson to the Big 12 being a 'done deal' is just like WVU to the SEC, which if you relied on the WVU board for your info happened about a year ago, several times.

If Clemson leaves the ACC for the Big 12 it will be the first time that I can recall that a team has left a solid stable conference for another. All of the teams that have left the BE did so in part because the BE was a disfunctional comglomeration of teams most of which were ready to leave the second they got invited elsewhere. The four teams that left the Big 12 did so at a time when that conference had its share of problems.

The guy on the WVU board who they all revere as a guru, does that mean he has more than one tooth?, said in his post telling people that FSU to the Big 12 was a done deal also said that the new bowl between the SEC/Big 12 would mean 3 million per team. As I posted elsewhere, 10 Big 12 teams plus 14 SEC teams is 24 times 3 means that game, which is virtually NEVER going to match the actual champions of those leagues as long as there is a BCS of some sort in place will be worth 72 million dollars. Last years Rose Bowl generated 33 million and no BCS game was even remotely close to 70 million. But a guy posts 'FSU to the Big 12" and everyone wets their pants in awe and agreement even though what else he says in his post is pure nonsense.

Stability in this conference business is a relative term I think. You could make a pretty good case that the big 12 was stable until Colorado decided to leave it for the PAC, and Nebraska left for theB-10. Those moves really destabilized the B-12 and encouraged others, A&M and Missouri in particular, to look elsewhere....that was the move that really destablized the B12. I would argue that the B-12 is once again pretty stable and a move from the ACC is probably more like Colorado or Nebraska. And will have the same impact.

 

[RS9999X]

If word gets out that Clemson and FSU are seriously approaching the Big 12 then we will see Virginia Tech doing the same. It will be like the 2003 Big East move where Syracuse was in and then Syracuse was out and Virginia Tech, a late comer, got political backing.

 

[Jericho]

If word gets out that Clemson and FSU are seriously approaching the Big 12 then we will see Virginia Tech doing the same. It will be like the 2003 Big East move where Syracuse was in and then Syracuse was out and Virginia Tech, a late comer, got political backing.

Where's Virginia Tech going to go? And who's politicing who? Virginia Tech got into the ACC because they forced Virginia to withdraw their vote for any expansion without Virginia Tech. And without Virginia, the remaining schools did not have enough votes. I'm not sure how this is similar...

 

[SubbaBub]

Once these guys figure out what the playoffs will look like, then you'll start to see movement, or not. They will start moving before any official announcement is made, or not. The timetable is June/July so teams moving can get out in time for 2014. Potential players are just limbering up, aorn.

 

[RS9999X]

Where's Virginia Tech going to go? And who's politicing who? Virginia Tech got into the ACC because they forced Virginia to withdraw their vote for any expansion without Virginia Tech. And without Virginia, the remaining schools did not have enough votes. I'm not sure how this is similar...

Do you really think if word gets out that FSU and Clemson are exploring an exit the rest of the teams are going to sit there like bumps on a log? There will be a V-Tech, a Louisville, a WVU, a UConn reaching out to others.

No I stand corrected, I expect it will quite *LITERALLY* go down EXACTLY like V Tech to the ACC and include all the same political players dead, retired or alive.

 

[Adios]

Based on what you wrote above, we do not get an invite to either the B12 or B10, so where do we go?

We have to market ourselves. It's clear that our athletic department is in the top 50.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Where's Virginia Tech going to go? And who's politicing who? Virginia Tech got into the ACC because they forced Virginia to withdraw their vote for any expansion without Virginia Tech. And without Virginia, the remaining schools did not have enough votes. I'm not sure how this is similar...

ESPN's SEC blogger Chris Low is saying VT and the SEC have eyes for each other.

http://twitter.com/#!/search/chris low?q=chris+low