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I saw it differently. Reed was tentative in the first half, missed some close ones, seemed sped up by PC's greater energy. Sure, lack of calls played a part but let's not blame the refs for everything. We don't want them calling everything. Those are boring games. This was an amazing game. Let's give the refs credit for not getting in the way of an instant classic!

I saw it much differently. I the first half, Reed tried to play bully ball and Oswin was up to the challenge. In the second half, Reed used his footwork and ball fakes to get two quick fouls (Oswin's 2nd and 3rd) and put Oswin on the bench. Once the PC big was gone, Reed ate.
 
To be clear I never want a coach to intentionally get a technical, and that was the case here with Danny. He was pleading his case in the tunnel that Reed was getting pummeled to one ref, and the OTHER ref came over, inserted himself into the conversation and gave the T. Unheard of to give a T in the tunnel.
Danny actually made his point to ref #1, which IMO, definitely gave us more calls in the opening of the second.

So to restate, the T did not make the difference, Danny's conversation with ref #1 did. And I think (to put words in his mouth) Chief was making the same point.
 
there was a thought in 2024 by some of the media that we would struggle if some team could keep it close. We would struggle in the final minutes in a close game. But I actually thought the opposite was true then and I think its still true today... our ability to execute relatively sophisticated plays gives us a advantage in close games. You also need to combine that with good defense. Which was our issue last year.
Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind? ;)
 
To be clear I never want a coach to intentionally get a technical, and that was the case here with Danny. He was pleading his case in the tunnel that Reed was getting pummeled to one ref, and the OTHER ref came over, inserted himself into the conversation and gave the T. Unheard of to give a T in the tunnel.
Danny actually made his point to ref #1, which IMO, definitely gave us more calls in the opening of the second.

So to restate, the T did not make the difference, Danny's conversation with ref #1 did. And I think (to put words in his mouth) Chief was making the same point.
thanks for clarifying. I agree. Unless you are Gene Hackman and you want to rebuild the broken relationship between your alcoholic assistant coach and his son. Then it is worth it.
 
Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind? ;)
I liked the no timeout too. I also think we need a couple of go to plays to break full court pressure with a layup or dunk on the other end. I think on inbounds plays we need to change the culture - view it as an opportunity rather than being a threat of a turnover.
 
Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind? ;)
why you hate Dan Hurley so much?
 
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if you watched the end of the penn st vs Michigan you saw a team that had no clue what the hell to do in those late game situations despite being at home. Last night you saw a team that despite being on the road never panicked in that last 30 secs. They were well coached and believed in the offensive system that would net them a great look.

Often times people focus on the physical toughness of teams you have to remember the mental toughness. UConn was the mentally tougher team. The UConn offense system taxes teams both physically and mentally. One of the reasons that UConn can be so good late is because their offensive system cause mental breakdowns. How often do we see teams play 20-25 seconds defense but then in the last 5 seconds you see a break down and UConn ends up with someone wide open for a high percentage shot.
 
I for one have never said that - and I don’t recall anyone in my Briefs threads saying that. Maybe some popular #2-#100 Casual Fans have said it, but I instantly discounted it for the reasons you cite and forgot?
It was talked about and an issue prior to the championships. I think the real issue was he did not have the right players that could create their own shot in the early years.
 
Maybe. I'm no expert, but if that is true, what makes you think Hurley needed to get a technical to make his point? Couldn't he have accomplished the same thing without crossing that line? I don't think Hurley was trying to get a technical. He said in the post-game that the other official inserted himself into a back and forth discussion. It sounds like it was not expected. I mean, who expects to get a T in the tunnel?
I think Hurley rarely intends to get technicals. OTOH, I think he fully intends to toe the line, while sticking up for his kids. Sometimes he gets away with it. Sometimes he crosses it. There is no difference from the Calhoun days. None.

I totally agree with Hurley's postgame comments on the T. I wonder if he was referring to Micah Shrewsberry. He's ACC, not B1G.
 
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They called the contact against Reed’s defender totally differently early in the second half. I do agree Hurley should do that only in rare exceptions. Getting zero foul shot attempts in a half is outrageous given the defensive intensity.
I agree tarris was fouled a lot in the first half but he also refused to use the backboard. Tough to make jump hooks and touch shots through contact. He struggles when he abandons the backboard. Most of his baskets in second half used the backboard. I suspect it was a coaching focus at halftime
 
I think Hurley rarely intends to get technicals. OTOH, I think he fully intends to toe the line, while sticking up for his kids. Sometimes he gets away with it. Sometimes he crosses it. There is no difference from the Calhoun days. None.

I totally agree with Hurley's postgame comments on the T. I wonder if he was referring to Micah Shrewsberry. He's ACC, not B1G.
I actually think that Calhoun was much more tactical about getting technicals. I'm not sure that Hurley could ever do that in the way Calhoun did. Calhoun was a big imposing presence with a lot of gravitas.
 
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I actually think that Calhoun was much more tactical about getting technicals. I'm not sure that Hurley could ever do that in the way Calhoun did. Calhoun was a big imposing presence with a lot of gravitas.
Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.
 
Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.
True, but that wasn't getting a technical. My personal favorite was when Boatwright was looking off someone, maybe Bazz. Calhoun was yelling at him to make the pass just as the arena fell silent, for whatever reason, and all of a sudden all you could hear was "Hit him! Hit him! HIT HIM YOU EMEFF'R!"

I miss him!
 
True, but that wasn't getting a technical. My personal favorite was when Boatwright was looking off someone, maybe Bazz. Calhoun was yelling at him to make the pass just as the arena fell silent, for whatever reason, and all of a sudden all you could hear was "Hit him! Hit him! HIT HIM YOU EMEFF'R!"

I miss him!

It was Lamb coming off of a curl. I was reminded of that last night when Malachi missed Mullins coming off of a similar screen. I may have quoted Calhoun . . .
 
Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.
Calhoun was very quiet in practice and yelled at his players in the game. Hurley yells at players in practice but has their backs in the game arena and yells at refs then.
 
I for one have never said that - and I don’t recall anyone in my Briefs threads saying that. Maybe some popular #2-#100 Casual Fans have said it, but I instantly discounted it for the reasons you cite and forgot?
Maybe you never said it and no one in your "briefs" said it (trying to imagine someone in your briefs and how big your briefs must be) but Dan Hurley was being castigated here regularly several years ago regarding his inability to win close games.
 
if you watched the end of the penn st vs Michigan you saw a team that had no clue what the hell to do in those late game situations despite being at home. Last night you saw a team that despite being on the road never panicked in that last 30 secs. They were well coached and believed in the offensive system that would net them a great look.

Often times people focus on the physical toughness of teams you have to remember the mental toughness. UConn was the mentally tougher team. The UConn offense system taxes teams both physically and mentally. One of the reasons that UConn can be so good late is because their offensive system cause mental breakdowns. How often do we see teams play 20-25 seconds defense but then in the last 5 seconds you see a break down and UConn ends up with someone wide open for a high percentage shot.
That’s why it’s important not to jack up a shot 5 seconds into the shot clock from 25 feet away.
 
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Maybe you never said it and no one in your "briefs" said it (trying to imagine someone in your briefs and how big your briefs must be) but Dan Hurley was being castigated here regularly several years ago regarding his inability to win close games.
A couple of years ago was when we were winning national championships tourney games by 20 points so maybe I could care less if we in theory could win a close game?
 
Maybe you never said it and no one in your "briefs" said it (trying to imagine someone in your briefs and how big your briefs must be) but Dan Hurley was being castigated here regularly several years ago regarding his inability to win close games.
Chief can't be bothered with anything outside his briefs
 
If you look at every game record from 2019 through the 24 championship you’ll see either wide margin wins or close losses, with practically zero close wins. It’s almost comical looking through it. For a long time it became a running joke that Hurley couldn’t win close games with some recurring concern for his end game coaching.

Clearly he has very much upped his end game coaching big time, especially as of late. His management of T~Reed with 4 fouls was particularly masterful tonight.

But I think it’s fitting that he brought up the issue tonight because this game proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that his teams can win even the closest of games.
If you google scores from
those years there are plenty of close games won by UConn. People on the boneyard just said that every time UConn lost a close game.
 
Getting ready for UConn to kick DePaul’s ass. Larry McHugh and Susan Herbst at Red Fox now - I cleaned up the language but they knew what I meant - it is peddle to the medal the rest of the season. Casual Fans, we love you but u are not calling the shots now. We are going to beat up on our opponents
Love it!!!!!!
 
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I consider the "not winning close games" criticism comical. Great coaches can lose close games because their team overachieved. Getting blown out doesn't mean you're a great coach. When we lost to Florida in the NCAA, it wasn't because Hurley couldn't win close games, but because we almost beat the eventual NC.

Demary showed why he is here. What a display of leadership and willing your team to victory.

Reed is a force. Wow!

Karaban used to frustrate me. Not anymore. He's really matured.

That was one of the best non-tournament wins in all my years as a UConn fan.
Danny had some “what the … moments” down the stretch in his early years here and there was plenty of criticism which was not off base. The man is constantly honing his craft and is not the same guy who started here.
 
Maybe I am rationalizing but did we overachieve in his “close early loses” during 2019/2022? I also think in a close game getting zero foul shots in a half becomes an even bigger factor. So that’s typically what I complained about rather than us not winning the close ones.
In your briefs you always focused on the dynamics of the game and what Hurley or the team could or couldn't have done differently in the game whether it was close-game or not. My memory is not 100% but I do faintly recall at times you did express concerns about Hurley's choices/behaviors whenever it was a close-game loss, but the analysis was always focused on the situational details and not on any long standing patterns about whether Hurley had something to prove or not about close end-game situations (if that makes sense).
 
If you google scores from
those years there are plenty of close games won by UConn. People on the boneyard just said that every time UConn lost a close game.
"Plenty"? LOL. I'll admit there are are outliers, but just look at the stats:

2019-2020: 19-12 record. 19 wins were by an average margin of 16 points. Out of the 12 losses, 4 overtime losses plus 2 losses of 4 points or less. Two close wins (Vital clutching against Florida and Bouk clutching against Cincinnati)
2020-2021: 15-8 record, no contested close game wins (the 3 pt win over USC was a hold-off down the stretch) All other wins were by 5 points or more. We got clobbered in most losses this season but losing to Creighton in the Big East Tourney by 3 points was a very memorable close game loss.
2021-2022: 23-10 record, 20 wins by 5+ points. Only 1 close game (+2) win when RJ Cole clutched against Villanova. Out of the 10 losses, 4 close-game losses.
2022-2023: 31-8 record. 31 wins, all by +7 or more with a whopping average win point margin of +16 pts. 8 Losses, 4 of which were close end-games, including the memorable close game loss against Marquette in the Big East Tourney.
2023-2024: 37-3 record. Average win margin of a whopping 20.7 points. ONE close win against Villanova with T-New and AK clutching with 3's. One close game loss (Kansas) with a -4 margin.

Looking at these facts, it's not a headscratcher to wonder why a reputation developed for not being able to win close games.

But you know what, Hurley recognized these stats, dug deep, and fixed it. He initial fixed it by simply destroying his opponents by wide margins, then he fixed it by simply becoming masterful in managing close end-game situations.
 
"Plenty"? LOL. I'll admit there are are outliers, but just look at the stats:

2019-2020: 19-12 record. 19 wins were by an average margin of 16 points. Out of the 12 losses, 4 overtime losses plus 2 losses of 4 points or less. Two close wins (Vital clutching against Florida and Bouk clutching against Cincinnati)
2020-2021: 15-8 record, no contested close game wins (the 3 pt win over USC was a hold-off down the stretch) All other wins were by 5 points or more. We got clobbered in most losses this season but losing to Creighton in the Big East Tourney by 3 points was a very memorable close game loss.
2021-2022: 23-10 record, 20 wins by 5+ points. Only 1 close game (+2) win when RJ Cole clutched against Villanova. Out of the 10 losses, 4 close-game losses.
2022-2023: 31-8 record. 31 wins, all by +7 or more with a whopping average win point margin of +16 pts. 8 Losses, 4 of which were close end-games, including the memorable close game loss against Marquette in the Big East Tourney.
2023-2024: 37-3 record. Average win margin of a whopping 20.7 points. ONE close win against Villanova with T-New and AK clutching with 3's. One close game loss (Kansas) with a -4 margin.

Looking at these facts, it's not a headscratcher to wonder why a reputation developed for not being able to win close games.

But you know what, Hurley recognized these stats, dug deep, and fixed it. He initial fixed it by simply destroying his opponents by wide margins, then he fixed it by simply becoming masterful in managing close end-game situations.
12/21/24 uconn 78-74
12/18/24 Uconn 94 xavier 89
12/23/23 Uconn 69 st johns 65
1/10/24 Uconn 80 xavier 75
2/13/22 uconn 63 st johns 60
2/16/22 uconn 70 setting n hall 65
2/22/22 uconn 71 nova 69
I can keep going. I didn’t even look pre 2022. That is a lot of close wins.
 
12/21/24 uconn 78-74
12/18/24 Uconn 94 xavier 89
12/23/23 Uconn 69 st johns 65
1/10/24 Uconn 80 xavier 75
2/13/22 uconn 63 st johns 60
2/16/22 uconn 70 setting n hall 65
2/22/22 uconn 71 nova 69
I can keep going. I didn’t even look pre 2022. That is a lot of close wins.
Looking back to 2021 remember that Awesome uconn auburn win in OT 115-109 12/24/2021 beating #8 Aunurn??? The UConn not winning close games narative has always been BS by whining fans bemoaning losing a close game which happens to everyone.

It realiy sucks to lose a close game so they stick in your memory, but there have been many awesome close wins in Hurley era.
 
In your briefs you always focused on the dynamics of the game and what Hurley or the team could or couldn't have done differently in the game whether it was close-game or not. My memory is not 100% but I do faintly recall at times you did express concerns about Hurley's choices/behaviors whenever it was a close-game loss, but the analysis was always focused on the situational details and not on any long standing patterns about whether Hurley had something to prove or not about close end-game situations (if that makes sense).
True, I try to focus on the basketball nuts and bolts rather than a fan or media narrative. Hurley’s won two NC’s, what does he have to prove? To the critics — how many national championships have you won?
Of course, as someone interested in basketball, I am always like a mechanic trying to fine tune the car.
 
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