Chiefs Briefs - PC Edition

[Chief00]

Count me as one who is skeptical of the effectiveness of strategic technical fouls. Giving the other team two extra free throws does not seem like a good strategy. Who am I to question Hurley but it seemed to me he wasn't happy about the Tech. If it was a strategy, wouldn't he be smirking? I guess he could be irritated that he felt it HAD to come to that. I just have a hard time believing we would not have won that game if Hurley had avoided crossing that line. Maybe we would have won in regulation. Who knows, pure speculation.

They called the contact against Reed’s defender totally differently early in the second half. I do agree Hurley should do that only in rare exceptions. Getting zero foul shot attempts in a half is outrageous given the defensive intensity.

 

[Donyell 360]

They called the contact against Reed’s defender totally differently early in the second half. I do agree Hurley should do that only in rare exceptions. Getting zero foul shot attempts in a half is outrageous given the defensive intensity.

Maybe. I'm no expert, but if that is true, what makes you think Hurley needed to get a technical to make his point? Couldn't he have accomplished the same thing without crossing that line? I don't think Hurley was trying to get a technical. He said in the post-game that the other official inserted himself into a back and forth discussion. It sounds like it was not expected. I mean, who expects to get a T in the tunnel?

 

[Chief00]

You only read the threads you start?

I try to read all responses in my thread where elsewhere may be more hit or miss. I personally think beating all your opponents by 20+ points in the tournament is more noteworthy than winning all the games by a few points.

 

[MexicoHusky]

there was a thought in 2024 by some of the media that we would struggle if some team could keep it close. We would struggle in the final minutes in a close game. But I actually thought the opposite was true then and I think its still true today... our ability to execute relatively sophisticated plays gives us a advantage in close games. You also need to combine that with good defense. Which was our issue last year.

 

[Chief00]

Maybe. I'm no expert, but if that is true, what makes you think Hurley needed to get a technical to make his point? Couldn't he have accomplished the same thing without crossing that line? I don't think Hurley was trying to get a technical. He said in the post-game that the other official inserted himself into a back and forth discussion. It sounds like it was not expected. I mean, who expects to get a T in the tunnel?

He made it a point of emphasis and it is unusual that refs use the same exit tunnel as UConn at halftime as they do at PC. Normally, this stuff should not be going on in the path to the tunnel. The risk for a T is high rather or not that’s your intent.

 

[Palatine]

I saw it differently. Reed was tentative in the first half, missed some close ones, seemed sped up by PC's greater energy. Sure, lack of calls played a part but let's not blame the refs for everything. We don't want them calling everything. Those are boring games. This was an amazing game. Let's give the refs credit for not getting in the way of an instant classic!

I saw it much differently. I the first half, Reed tried to play bully ball and Oswin was up to the challenge. In the second half, Reed used his footwork and ball fakes to get two quick fouls (Oswin's 2nd and 3rd) and put Oswin on the bench. Once the PC big was gone, Reed ate.

 

[TheShot1990]

To be clear I never want a coach to intentionally get a technical, and that was the case here with Danny. He was pleading his case in the tunnel that Reed was getting pummeled to one ref, and the OTHER ref came over, inserted himself into the conversation and gave the T. Unheard of to give a T in the tunnel.
Danny actually made his point to ref #1, which IMO, definitely gave us more calls in the opening of the second.

So to restate, the T did not make the difference, Danny's conversation with ref #1 did. And I think (to put words in his mouth) Chief was making the same point.

 

[Donyell 360]

there was a thought in 2024 by some of the media that we would struggle if some team could keep it close. We would struggle in the final minutes in a close game. But I actually thought the opposite was true then and I think its still true today... our ability to execute relatively sophisticated plays gives us a advantage in close games. You also need to combine that with good defense. Which was our issue last year.

Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind?

 

[Donyell 360]

To be clear I never want a coach to intentionally get a technical, and that was the case here with Danny. He was pleading his case in the tunnel that Reed was getting pummeled to one ref, and the OTHER ref came over, inserted himself into the conversation and gave the T. Unheard of to give a T in the tunnel.
Danny actually made his point to ref #1, which IMO, definitely gave us more calls in the opening of the second.

So to restate, the T did not make the difference, Danny's conversation with ref #1 did. And I think (to put words in his mouth) Chief was making the same point.

thanks for clarifying. I agree. Unless you are Gene Hackman and you want to rebuild the broken relationship between your alcoholic assistant coach and his son. Then it is worth it.

 

[Chief00]

Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind?

I liked the no timeout too. I also think we need a couple of go to plays to break full court pressure with a layup or dunk on the other end. I think on inbounds plays we need to change the culture - view it as an opportunity rather than being a threat of a turnover.

 

[MexicoHusky]

Loved Hurley not calling a TO and letting them run their normal offense on the final play that tied it. But their problems from last year inbounding the ball still seem to linger, and their free throw shooting has been an issue and their inability to defend without fouling. All 3 of these are recipes for blowing leads. Maybe they are better off playing from behind?

why you hate Dan Hurley so much?

 

[blkknight1]

if you watched the end of the penn st vs Michigan you saw a team that had no clue what the hell to do in those late game situations despite being at home. Last night you saw a team that despite being on the road never panicked in that last 30 secs. They were well coached and believed in the offensive system that would net them a great look.

Often times people focus on the physical toughness of teams you have to remember the mental toughness. UConn was the mentally tougher team. The UConn offense system taxes teams both physically and mentally. One of the reasons that UConn can be so good late is because their offensive system cause mental breakdowns. How often do we see teams play 20-25 seconds defense but then in the last 5 seconds you see a break down and UConn ends up with someone wide open for a high percentage shot.

 

[Donyell 360]

why you hate Dan Hurley so much?

Don't troll me. I literally began the post with the words "Loved Hurley..."

 

[Fan1978]

I for one have never said that - and I don’t recall anyone in my Briefs threads saying that. Maybe some popular #2-#100 Casual Fans have said it, but I instantly discounted it for the reasons you cite and forgot?

It was talked about and an issue prior to the championships. I think the real issue was he did not have the right players that could create their own shot in the early years.

 

[Husky25]

Maybe. I'm no expert, but if that is true, what makes you think Hurley needed to get a technical to make his point? Couldn't he have accomplished the same thing without crossing that line? I don't think Hurley was trying to get a technical. He said in the post-game that the other official inserted himself into a back and forth discussion. It sounds like it was not expected. I mean, who expects to get a T in the tunnel?

I think Hurley rarely intends to get technicals. OTOH, I think he fully intends to toe the line, while sticking up for his kids. Sometimes he gets away with it. Sometimes he crosses it. There is no difference from the Calhoun days. None.

I totally agree with Hurley's postgame comments on the T. I wonder if he was referring to Micah Shrewsberry. He's ACC, not B1G.

 

[Fan1978]

They called the contact against Reed’s defender totally differently early in the second half. I do agree Hurley should do that only in rare exceptions. Getting zero foul shot attempts in a half is outrageous given the defensive intensity.

I agree tarris was fouled a lot in the first half but he also refused to use the backboard. Tough to make jump hooks and touch shots through contact. He struggles when he abandons the backboard. Most of his baskets in second half used the backboard. I suspect it was a coaching focus at halftime

 

[CL82]

I think Hurley rarely intends to get technicals. OTOH, I think he fully intends to toe the line, while sticking up for his kids. Sometimes he gets away with it. Sometimes he crosses it. There is no difference from the Calhoun days. None.

I totally agree with Hurley's postgame comments on the T. I wonder if he was referring to Micah Shrewsberry. He's ACC, not B1G.

I actually think that Calhoun was much more tactical about getting technicals. I'm not sure that Hurley could ever do that in the way Calhoun did. Calhoun was a big imposing presence with a lot of gravitas.

 

[Husky25]

I actually think that Calhoun was much more tactical about getting technicals. I'm not sure that Hurley could ever do that in the way Calhoun did. Calhoun was a big imposing presence with a lot of gravitas.

Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.

 

[CL82]

Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.

True, but that wasn't getting a technical. My personal favorite was when Boatwright was looking off someone, maybe Bazz. Calhoun was yelling at him to make the pass just as the arena fell silent, for whatever reason, and all of a sudden all you could hear was "Hit him! Hit him! HIT HIM YOU EMEFF'R!"

I miss him!

 

[Excalibur]

True, but that wasn't getting a technical. My personal favorite was when Boatwright was looking off someone, maybe Bazz. Calhoun was yelling at him to make the pass just as the arena fell silent, for whatever reason, and all of a sudden all you could hear was "Hit him! Hit him! HIT HIM YOU EMEFF'R!"

I miss him!

It was Lamb coming off of a curl. I was reminded of that last night when Malachi missed Mullins coming off of a similar screen. I may have quoted Calhoun . . .

 

[Chief00]

Eh, sometimes. Calhoun had a tendency to not care about going over the line...or he forgot about the line altogether. Either way, he would toe it as well.

I'm reminded of a St. Johns game at Gampel in the mid '00s. I had the opportunity to sit right behind the St. Johns bench for a game that, while they pulled away in the end, UConn did not play particularly well.

It was one of those instances where the room goes silent just before one raises their voice, Calhoun yelled across the floor at Jeff Adrien to, "Catch the fv<king ball!!" The ref literally shrugged and T'ed Calhoun up, as if it was his only option (it was. Roughly 10,000 people heard it).

I really don't think Calhoun was being tactical in that situation.

Calhoun was very quiet in practice and yelled at his players in the game. Hurley yells at players in practice but has their backs in the game arena and yells at refs then.

 

[Scrutineer]

I for one have never said that - and I don’t recall anyone in my Briefs threads saying that. Maybe some popular #2-#100 Casual Fans have said it, but I instantly discounted it for the reasons you cite and forgot?

Maybe you never said it and no one in your "briefs" said it (trying to imagine someone in your briefs and how big your briefs must be) but Dan Hurley was being castigated here regularly several years ago regarding his inability to win close games.

 

[Chief00]

if you watched the end of the penn st vs Michigan you saw a team that had no clue what the hell to do in those late game situations despite being at home. Last night you saw a team that despite being on the road never panicked in that last 30 secs. They were well coached and believed in the offensive system that would net them a great look.

Often times people focus on the physical toughness of teams you have to remember the mental toughness. UConn was the mentally tougher team. The UConn offense system taxes teams both physically and mentally. One of the reasons that UConn can be so good late is because their offensive system cause mental breakdowns. How often do we see teams play 20-25 seconds defense but then in the last 5 seconds you see a break down and UConn ends up with someone wide open for a high percentage shot.

That’s why it’s important not to jack up a shot 5 seconds into the shot clock from 25 feet away.

 

[Chief00]

Maybe you never said it and no one in your "briefs" said it (trying to imagine someone in your briefs and how big your briefs must be) but Dan Hurley was being castigated here regularly several years ago regarding his inability to win close games.

A couple of years ago was when we were winning national championships tourney games by 20 points so maybe I could care less if we in theory could win a close game?

 

[CL82]

. Hurley yells at players in practice but has their backs in the game arena

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