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3. Would it have hurt to try Ross or Stewart out there for a few minutes?
It’s almost too late at this point for these guys. It’s going to be hard to try and get them up to speed during Big East play if it’s going to be this tough.

Personally, wish we would’ve developed Ross more during the Non-Conference for his defensive ability and athleticism at the bare minimum. Would’ve been good to be able to throw his energy and length at guys when giving Karaban a breather.
 
It’s almost too late at this point for these guys. It’s going to be hard to try and get them up to speed during Big East play if it’s going to be this tough.

Personally, wish we would’ve developed Ross more during the Non-Conference for his defensive ability and athleticism at the bare minimum. Would’ve been good to be able to throw his energy and length at guys when giving Karaban a breather.
You can’t schedule top teams AND expect to develop your incoming freshmen.
 
You can’t schedule top teams AND expect to develop your incoming freshmen.
We played a lot more games than that that could’ve prepared them to contribute in those games.

They don’t need 20 mins against those guys. But they didn’t have any role at all to settle into.
 
We played a lot more games than that that could’ve prepared them to contribute in those games.

They don’t need 20 mins against those guys. But they didn’t have any role at all to settle into.
He had 8-9 guys playing. You wanted 12?
 
He had 8-9 guys playing. You wanted 12?
No man. Hurley has said himself that he needs to find a way to give Karaban more of a breather. He should’ve used all the non-conference (including the tough games if you feel like we are going to need them in tough games this season) to develop either one of Ross or Stewart.

It never made sense to not trust those guys at all in those games if we were going to need them later.
 
We were up by 10 and the refs changed the tempo of the game, then give Seton Hall credit they took advantage of Clingan on the bench and then his injury.
Refs weren’t great but how did they change the tempo?

We were a disaster whenever Clingan was off the court. He took himself off the court in the first half with two legit fouls.
 
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Clingan: very good
Diarra: pretty good(nice drives)
Newton (decent) came off rails a bit during garbage time last 5 minutes -6 TOs
Ball: decent - made his free throws couple frosh mistakes
Castle: not great at all but showed flashes and made some good defensive plays
Karaban: awful and got worked on D by a random 4 man
Spencer: fairly awful
Samson: not great
 
No man. Hurley has said himself that he needs to find a way to give Karaban more of a breather. He should’ve used all the non-conference (including the tough games if you feel like we are going to need them in tough games this season) to develop either one of Ross or Stewart.

It never made sense to not trust those guys at all in those games if we were going to need them later.
I thought it was Danny’s plan to use Samson to back up both Don and Alex.
And this is where I miss Richie Springs.
 
I thought it was Danny’s plan to use Samson to back up both Don and Alex.
And this is where I miss Richie Springs.
I’m SUPER down on Sampson, it’s amazing that people thought he could play the 4.

I’d be shocked if he has dribbled more than 10 times this year. He can catch a lob or two, but as a junior former top 50 prospect, I’m just shocked of how little game he has.
 
Refs were bad, but when Clingan wasn’t in game it was like a layup drill for Seton Hall. We simply had no one to defend the rim, and no one who could get a contested rebound. Karaban was out there scrapping for defensive boards, but no one else was. Seton Hall turned it into a wrestling match and players not named Clingan were not ready to play that game. First time for Samson, Spencer, and freshman playing that type of game.
I think the clunky shooting and sloppy turnovers they will fix, but I am worried if Clingan misses time, if SJ is strong enough to battle for contested defensive rebounds.
 
You have to wonder if a lineup that has Karaban Ball Newton and Spencer is good enough defensively. If Clingan is out and Samson is in there, then major adjustments need to be made.

Spencer is 4/19 from 3 in the three games where UConn has faced the most ball pressure (Texas, Kansas, and Seton Hall). I really hope he can hold his own against the Big East Schedule because Seton Hall got him out of his rhythm very easily.

UConn better figure it out fast because they cannot guard the ball and there’s about 7 other teams in the big east with better guards than they saw tonight.
 
No man. Hurley has said himself that he needs to find a way to give Karaban more of a breather. He should’ve used all the non-conference (including the tough games if you feel like we are going to need them in tough games this season) to develop either one of Ross or Stewart.

It never made sense to not trust those guys at all in those games if we were going to need them later.
I don’t understand your obsession with the younger guys. Hurley proved this to you with guys like Diggins. If they were ready they would be playing. He also has to allow the first 7 guys to build rapport.
 
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UConn - Welcome to the Big East / 4 foul shots to 15 before garbage time. Our best player on the bench for a good part of the game. We are not playing an elite team but no worries the Big East refs will take care of it. And as a result Clingan injuried his foot/ankle.

Why are we playing in this league with a lousy Commissioner is beyond me. For the first time I am revealing that Brian O’Connell bad mouthed Hurley at a charity event a couple years ago.

When the fouls add up, we sit guys, get out of our rotations and lose our chemistry.

Having said this, we had guys that did not respond. Karaban had a rough game and not only did he miss most of his shots / his shot looked terrible. Alex needs to come out aggressive and make them play his game rather than react to the guy he’s coveting.

Johnson had his worse game of the year. He rushed everything and did not play with the poise or motor that we have seen. Spencer let the bad calls impact his play. Karaban was 3-12 and Spencer 2 for 7. 19% from three doesn’t cut it.

Give Richmond credit, he played very well and is a tough match up for Alex. I thought Castle should have played him more. Clingan, Newton and Castle were our best players but Clingan was limited by fouls and the injury. Davis played well for Seton Hall.
Well that is how you get to the line. DRIVE. Tat is all they did. Give credit to The Hall's game plan. Well though out and successful. The way they took it to the basket was not surprise to me. Teams have done the same to us but not at this magnitude. Seems we could not do the same. Even last year I aske why it was so easy for others to drive against us. I haven't looked at the stats yet. How many deep shot shots did SH even take. Never mind made. The foul difference could be we didn't take it to the basket? Couldn't shoot threes and and no drive.
Congrats to SH with a great game plan. They stayed with it all game.

We got our butt kicked plan and simple.
 
For a long stretch in the second half, every time Brian O'Connell blew his whistle, Seton Hall celebrated. And he was the only one blowing his whistle

He is a POS

Having said that. Good athletes executed their game plan and played tough, they beat us with one on one ball. They're not deep, we'll beat them in a rematch

Clingan was our player of the game. In only 14 minutes. Enough said
 
I thought it was Danny’s plan to use Samson to back up both Don and Alex.
And this is where I miss Richie Springs.
Tbh with our offense I don’t know if we’d be able to put two bigs on the floor together. Samson hasn’t shown any ability outside of 5’ offensively.

Springs would’ve been nice to have in case of injury like last night. Putting him or SJ at the 4 would probably be like 2021 again except neither aren’t as good as Whaley at anything.
 
UConn - Welcome to the Big East / 4 foul shots to 15 before garbage time. Our best player on the bench for a good part of the game. We are not playing an elite team but no worries the Big East refs will take care of it. And as a result Clingan injuried his foot/ankle.

Why are we playing in this league with a lousy Commissioner is beyond me. For the first time I am revealing that Brian O’Connell bad mouthed Hurley at a charity event a couple years ago.

When the fouls add up, we sit guys, get out of our rotations and lose our chemistry.

Having said this, we had guys that did not respond. Karaban had a rough game and not only did he miss most of his shots / his shot looked terrible. Alex needs to come out aggressive and make them play his game rather than react to the guy he’s coveting.

Johnson had his worse game of the year. He rushed everything and did not play with the poise or motor that we have seen. Spencer let the bad calls impact his play. Karaban was 3-12 and Spencer 2 for 7. 19% from three doesn’t cut it.

Give Richmond credit, he played very well and is a tough match up for Alex. I thought Castle should have played him more. Clingan, Newton and Castle were our best players but Clingan was limited by fouls and the injury. Davis played well for Seton Hall.
For those people saying we played a terrible game and the refs weren’t the issue, that’s a half truth. Just like PC last year, our team never adjusted to the fact that the opponent could bump, grab and foul us. We were comfortably ahead early and then Seton Hall started aggressively fouling with no calls. Our guys got frustrated and it took them out of the game mentally. So yes they stopped moving and moving the ball, but that’s what happens when your understanding of the rules of the game are upended midway through the first half.

It isn‘t an excuse. It’s an explanation and they need to learn how to win games like this.
 
Refereeing was predictable and I said that in a thread pregame. The Hall grabs, tugs and bumps through most every pick but this was allowed. There’s no way on earth they can review that tape and give the Huskies just 2 seconds on the shot clock after no one was able to see it counting down that was a pathetic result. Having said that it had little to do with the outcome.

You saw what we hope will be a terrible reaction to what they will see in the Big East. Besides Clingan no one played well at all. Hate to say Newton was potentially the worst he made some horrible decisions and unlike him rushed things. He threw a slew of terrible passes putting himself in trouble too often. And from there it just dominoe’d.

One can only hope DC is alright or we’re looking at a long season. Johnson was lost, ineffective for the first time. He got banged out of his spot multiple times and not in position to help on the drivers to the hoop.

Don’t care what anyone says but when you’re getting beat that badly and that consistently you need to mix in a zone here and there, make them make perimeter shots. And not that 1-3-1 which leaves room anyway. Pack in a 2-3 and let’s make them uncomfortable or at least try to. And in the man give space, stay under the pick and give them the jumper don’t let them turn the corner and get that step in you.

It’s coming again Saturday get used to it. Rick will watch this tape and beat us up with his 10 deep crew and not care about foul trouble one bit.

Let’s see how we respond to what will become the Big East norm.
 
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For those people saying we played a terrible game and the refs weren’t the issue, that’s a half truth. Just like PC last year, our team never adjusted to the fact that the opponent could bump, grab and foul us. We were comfortably ahead early and then Seton Hall started aggressively fouling with no calls. Our guys got frustrated and it took them out of the game mentally. So yes they stopped moving and moving the ball, but that’s what happens when your understanding of the rules of the game are upended midway through the first half.

It isn‘t an excuse. It’s an explanation and they need to learn how to win games like this.
Can we stop putting this on the refs? What non-calls did you want in the first half? Can make the argument that Newton was fouled on the drive that they called a jump ball maybe. Other than that I’m struggling to see where we got hosed by the refs on that big seton hall run.

We went up 10 and then completely sucked on defense. We had 2 or 3 defensive stops in the final 8:30 of the first half and one was a missed layup by Richmond where he blew by Newton.

Our offense was atrocious over that same stretch, particularly when Clingan wasn’t in the game. We missed two wide open threes during that Hall run and then Clingan left and we dribbled the ball around the perimeter for entire possessions.

UConn will be fine. The loss sucks, but not going to win many games when we play D like that last night.
 
I expected this TBH, don't love it but not surprised. I fully expect Dan Hurley to counter this style of play over time - this was similar to Kansas IMO where they guarded UConn super tight and took them out of their expected rhythm. I would have liked to have seen the 3pt line left more unguarded and pack the paint since SH wasn't shooting anything outside and was jamming the inside but without Clingan we're pretty week under the basket. St John's may be another loss, I figured it was one/other/both, but I expect the team to recover and come up with some gameplans and get back on track. I'm not panicking but we definitely were exposed just like last year.

GO HUSKIES!
 
I just looked at his career game long, Kadary Richmond has 95 points scored in his career against UConn and there is a possibility that he comes back next year, I wonder what the career record is for most points scored against UConn. If I had to guess I would assume the record is about 150 points
 
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Can we stop putting this on the refs? What non-calls did you want in the first half? Can make the argument that Newton was fouled on the drive that they called a jump ball maybe. Other than that I’m struggling to see where we got hosed by the refs on that big seton hall run.

We went up 10 and then completely sucked on defense. We had 2 or 3 defensive stops in the final 8:30 of the first half and one was a missed layup by Richmond where he blew by Newton.

Our offense was atrocious over that same stretch, particularly when Clingan wasn’t in the game. We missed two wide open threes during that Hall run and then Clingan left and we dribbled the ball around the perimeter for entire possessions.

UConn will be fine. The loss sucks, but not going to win many games when we play D like that last night.
Read what I said. The way the refs called it (or didn't call it mostly) was something we weren't prepared for. We stunk up the joint, but had it been officiated like the OOC games we played we would never have gotten into that rut, and probably would have played much better. We were not prepared to play a game like that. Dan has said as much.

It's exactly what we went through last year. Very physical defense against us and very physical offense against us, especially on drives to the rim and refs swallowing the whistle on physical fouls but calling touch fouls. We didn't adapt to that last year until a few losses forced it. We have a highly skilled team that is probably below average athletically. When the game is this style, skill takes a backseat. The guys have to be tougher and unfortunately, our biggest weakness is that we just don't have any physically imposing guys other than DC, Castle and Ball. Castle wasn't good on offense but had 3 blocks and didn't mind the physical game. Biggest need this team has is an athletic bully ball 4.
 
Samson Johnson trying to defend the lane looked like Kevin Bacon at the end of Animal House trying to hold back the crowd. We do not have a power forward and are totally reliant on Donovan being able to clean up for lack of defense by perimeter players on drives. Ak is not one and struggles to match up on defense especially when opponents repeatedly drive on him. This is why Hurley has to get minutes for Stewart as he at least has the height to try and fill that role if AK winds up in foul trouble. Providence with Oduro and Hopkins are going to get our front line in foul trouble. We will see how it goes vs St Johns. Soriano is much quicker this year. Seton Hall totally disrupted our guard play on offense with pressure and then jumping the passing lanes. We never responded. It would be interesting to see what our record is in the BE with O'Connell officiating.
 
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UConn - Welcome to the Big East / 4 foul shots to 15 before garbage time. Our best player on the bench for a good part of the game. We are not playing an elite team but no worries the Big East refs will take care of it. And as a result Clingan injuried his foot/ankle.

Why are we playing in this league with a lousy Commissioner is beyond me. For the first time I am revealing that Brian O’Connell bad mouthed Hurley at a charity event a couple years ago.

When the fouls add up, we sit guys, get out of our rotations and lose our chemistry.

Having said this, we had guys that did not respond. Karaban had a rough game and not only did he miss most of his shots / his shot looked terrible. Alex needs to come out aggressive and make them play his game rather than react to the guy he’s coveting.

Johnson had his worse game of the year. He rushed everything and did not play with the poise or motor that we have seen. Spencer let the bad calls impact his play. Karaban was 3-12 and Spencer 2 for 7. 19% from three doesn’t cut it.

Give Richmond credit, he played very well and is a tough match up for Alex. I thought Castle should have played him more. Clingan, Newton and Castle were our best players but Clingan was limited by fouls and the injury. Davis played well for Seton Hall.
Yea the big East is garbage.

Had nothing to do with last night.

Yea the refs were garbage…….had nothing to do with last night.

Uconn has overwhelming better talent, that should always be able to overcome bad officiating.

They were just bad. Probably just a really really off night, but something that should bring some concern
 
I expected this TBH, don't love it but not surprised. I fully expect Dan Hurley to counter this style of play over time - this was similar to Kansas IMO where they guarded UConn super tight and took them out of their expected rhythm. I would have liked to have seen the 3pt line left more unguarded and pack the paint since SH wasn't shooting anything outside and was jamming the inside but without Clingan we're pretty week under the basket. St John's may be another loss, I figured it was one/other/both, but I expect the team to recover and come up with some gameplans and get back on track. I'm not panicking but we definitely were exposed just like last year.

GO HUSKIES!
We cannot lose to St John’s on Saturday. If we’re going to struggle on the road we have to win at home especially against the middle teams in the Big East.
 
Refereeing was predictable and I said that in a thread pregame. The Hall grabs, tugs and bumps through most every pick but this was allowed. There’s no way on earth they can review that tape and give the Huskies just 2 seconds on the shot clock after no one was able to see it counting down that was a pathetic result. Having said that it had little to do with the outcome.

You saw what we hope will be a terrible reaction to what they will see in the Big East. Besides Clingan no one played well at all. Hate to say Newton was potentially the worst he made some horrible decisions and unlike him rushed things. He threw a slew of terrible passes putting himself in trouble too often. And from there it just dominoe’d.

One can only hope DC is alright or we’re looking at a long season. Johnson was lost, ineffective for the first time. He got banged out of his spot multiple times and not in position to help on the drivers to the hoop.

Don’t care what anyone says but when you’re getting beat that badly and that consistently you need to mix in a zone here and there, make them make perimeter shots. And not that 1-3-1 which leaves room anyway. Pack in a 2-3 and let’s make them uncomfortable or at least try to. And in the man give space, stay under the pick and give them the jumper don’t let them turn the corner and get that step in you.

It’s coming again Saturday get used to it. Rick will watch this tape and beat us up with his 10 deep crew and not care about foul trouble one bit.

Let’s see how we respond to what will become the Big East norm.
We could have done a matchup zone or just some soft man defense too. Dare them to shoot the three and see if they can make 15 to beat us. I don’t think they could but if it happens just tip your hat. Better to lose that way then give up wide open layups.
 
Turnovers, shooting percentage and fast break points the difference.....not the refs
Hurley said before the season he wanted to get out and run more too but I think our pace or tempo metric is lower than last year
 
We cannot lose to St John’s on Saturday. If we’re going to struggle on the road we have to win at home especially against the middle teams in the Big East.

Absolutely agree. Saturday will tell us a lot about this team no doubt. I love the fact that people can sit back and say who cares we did this last year and won a natty. Not the same team, Clingan Johnson not Sanogo Clingan and Andre brought something we are still looking for.

Bounce back time for sure, huge game early BE season.
 
Hurley said before the season he wanted to get out and run more too but I think our pace or tempo metric is lower than last year
Well the team is slower than last year. Newton and Alex are the same. Cam is slower than Hawkins and Clingan is slower than Sanogo (even without the foot). Ball isn't slow, but not as good in transition or pushing the pace as Andre. Nor rebounding. Castle needs to start.
 
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