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I don’t want to kill the mood of a primarily positive thread but looking at the box score, we allowed offensive rebounds on half of their misses. That’s really terrible. I couldn’t get the game down here, were there a lot of crazy bounces off missed 3’s? Did we get outworked?
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It was like a combination of everything, but I noticed quite a few times they were going for blocks on help (2 defenders) and leaving their man open under the basket.
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Still not sure how I feel about Yakwe. I love his blocking and offensive rebounding ability. It seems that whenever he does get an offensive board, he thinks that he automatically has to go right back up with a rushed contested little hook. Would like to see him kick it out for an added possession. Regardless, the best thing I like about him might be his name, screaming "Yakweeeeee" every time he does something good.
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It was a 35 point win. Total domination. Scrutinizing certain statistics in a game that was decided with 15 minutes left to play is essentially pointless.
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Why is it pointless? We lost the rebounding battle and got killed on the offensive boards by a lesser team so maybe it wasn't "total" domination but just "partial" domination.
Again, I didn't get to see the game and maybe the rebounding performance was an outlier but I would guess a good coach like Hurley wouldn't just brush aside a startling statistic like that. Destroying a bad team doesn't mean there aren't learning/teaching opportunities.
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Hold up!!! We have a TS on the team now. Times have definitely changed.
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As Peacefrog just said, you can still have "teaching points" from a blow out win. Champions are never satisfied with good. In my eyes it wasn't a total domination if you get beat on the offensive boards. Drexel realized that we had 2-3 guys going up to protect the rim on every shot towards the middle of the second half, and started to camp their guys on the weak side for the rebound. You do that vs Nova or in conference play, NOT up 30, you wont win games. Also need to be improving, even in a blow out.
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Why is it pointless? We lost the rebounding battle and got killed on the offensive boards by a lesser team so maybe it wasn't "total" domination but just "partial" domination.
I watched the game. You didn't. At no point did I ever feel that there were rebounding issues. There are always going to be some areas for improvement, but I doubt anyone who attended or watched the game on TV came away thinking the rebounding was lacking. UConn played very well, especially on defense after the first few minutes. Nitpicking some meaningless statistic after a 35 point win just isn't the same as the analysis of a real tight game.
Well, outside of your last sentence, this would have been a perfectly good response to my question. See Marat's response for a little constructive guidance; keep trying. I asked a legitimate question that invited a legitimate response which you did not provide.
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It simply was not the "issue" you seem to have concluded it was by simply looking at the box score. UConn won the first half by 15 points and the second half by 17 points. At no time did it appear that UConn's rebounding was inferior to the point where it would impact the result whatsoever. In fact, I'm pretty sure UConn outrebounded Drexel overall. Rebounding was a non issue.
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I'm betting the coaching staff thinks so otherwise they would be keeping him warm. I think Eric's confidence is high and better yet he's invested this year. There are things Cobb can get better at in the post i.e. rebounding and defense, but I think he can score the ball against any team's bigs. He may struggle with tall, athletic shot blockers down low, but practicing against Akok 2nd semester should help him figure it out.
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Sheesh, really? I clearly didn't conclude anything. And you're wrong, UConn got outrebounded in this one. You're coming off a bit casual fan-ish. Casuals only see the superficial end result while the true fan is detail-oriented and nothing escapes their discerning gaze. My first attempt channeling my inner Chief. I hope I pulled it off.
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You watched that game and in your eyes it wasn't a "total domination"?
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You did not.
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The problem with this point of view is that a team can always try to win some statistical category other than points. If a team tries to win "offensive rebounds" by sending 5 to the glass and gives up 20 transition points for every 6 points they make off offensive rebounds, then you will gladly let them win the offensive rebounding contest in exchange for you winning the points contest by 32 points.
So, you can't judge performance based on a single secondary stat. It is too strongly impacted by style of play. You have to observe the actual game and judge whether UConn players executed the things they were trying to accomplish. If UConn's strategy was defensive rebounding with 2 guys, having one ready to receive the outlet, and leaking 2 for the fast break, and Drexel's strategy was crashing the offensive glass, then you have to judge the players on whether they executed their strategy well, and the coaches on whether that was the right strategy.
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Alas, there is but one Chief.
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Think the pre-game warm-up was sloppy-some coach should be observing this and we should be more focused. Guys cutting lines (JA) shirts out etc.. during the game doesn't get any points with the refs. either. Sloppy. Why no spotlight on Uconn players during intro of starting lineups? On a positive note thought the defense was improved last nite.
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I would suggest that you watch a replay of the game. I don't think you will come away thinking that we got killed on the boards. We may have lost the rebounding battle by something like five rebounds but that was so insignificant in the grand scheme of things that really was never a concern. That's all I was trying to save from the beginning
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Good extended talk with Tom Moore after the game, while I drove home. Insightful and probably over ten minutes long
You're just not remotely getting my original point. Obviously it didn't amount to a hill of beans in this particular game, that's not what I was suggesting at all. Let's just consider the matter closed why don't we?
Just digging into the Play-by-Play a bit on this:
UConn had 6 blocks. 2 in the first half, 4 in the second half. The two in the first half ended as defensive rebounds, the 4 in the second half ended as offensive rebounds. Two of those four were attributed to team offensive rebounds, so I assume they were blocked out of bounds by UConn. Drexel converted those 4 ORs in the second half into 4 points.
Drexel was 3/16 on 3PTA`s, or 13 available rebounds here. They got ORs on 5 of those attempts for 2 points. Two of those were attributed to team offensive rebounds.
Drexel was 12/18 on FTs with 5 being rebounds and 1 being the first of two. UConn got all five DRs.
Drexel was 22/43 on 2PTA`s including 6 being blocked, so excluding blocked shots, they were 22/37. Or 15 available rebounds. They rebounded 8 of those attempts for 11 points.
So overall they got 17 ORs for 17 points. UConn only did well on rebounding FTs and defending after Drexel got the OR.
Drexel got 8 1st half ORs and 9 second half ORs. 3 of the second half ORs were in the final 10 minutes when the game was about 30 points.
UConn only had 24 missed FGAs and 2 reboundable FTAs, 8 ORs isn`t horrible.
They had one block and got the DR.
UConn was 10/17 from 3 and got 2 ORs for 4 points.
UConn was 15/21 on FTAs with 2 being rebounds (DRs for Drexel) and 4 being the first of two.
UConn was 26/43 on 2PTA`s including 1 blocked. So excluding the block UConn was 26/42. Or 16 available rebounds. UConn got 6 ORs on twos for 14 points. UConn actually converted on every OR this game for 18 points on 8 ORs (2 three pointers, 4 free throws and 4 two pointers).
Overall, I would say their missing threes for longer rebounds combined with UConn going for blocks did contribute a decent amount to their ORs.
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No your right, it was a total team domination. The game was never in doubt, that’s not what I’m saying. There was a time in the second half where I was frustrated with the easy out back layups. I’m sure when watching the game film, something will be said about having 2-3 guys going for a block and leaving the weak side wide open.
On the flip side, would you want to see Villanova with easy second chance layups all game?
ETA: every opponent and every stat matters, or nothing matters. Hurley doesn’t stop coaching up 35, so saying “nitpicking stats in a 35 point win is pointless” is very very dangerous. That’s all I was saying in response to huskybass.
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