Charlie Creme's last bracketology has UConn ....

[Plebe]

All these posts over likely not being a one seed, seems trivial compared to Creighton for example, and how unfair it would be for Creighton to be an eight seed. I might agree a little bit with posters that there is a slight bias in favor of the P4 conferences in regards to seeding and the number of teams getting into the tournament, but I dont think that applies to UCONN being a one versus two seed.

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for calling an 8 seed “unfair” for Creighton. Their best win (by far) is over Nebraska, a projected 10 seed. That's their only win over an at-large-caliber team. And then they have a loss to South Dakota State, a projected 9 seed.

What in their resume would justify seeding them any higher than 8? The best thing one can say about them is they didn't lose to anyone outside Quad 1. But wins over the likes of Villanova and Green Bay and Syracuse and Seton Hall don't do much. (And let's not even talk about how they looked against UCLA and Kansas State.)

 

[maxw]

I still maintain that the Committee can do weird and unexpected things but based on the criteria laid out by the NCAA, UConn looks to be a 2 seed

Quad 1 wins

UConn 6-3
South Carolina 16-3
Texas 14-3
UCLA 14-2
USC 13-3

Then there’s this

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The committee also considers NET strongly (where UConn is No. 1), the primary selection metric which
"takes into account game results, strength of schedule, game location, net offensive and defensive efficiency, and the quality of wins and losses. It's both a results-driven and predictive metric."

 

[uconnfan68]

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for calling an 8 seed “unfair” for Creighton. Their best win (by far) is over Nebraska, a projected 10 seed. That's their only win over an at-large-caliber team. And then they have a loss to South Dakota State, a projected 9 seed.

What in their resume would justify seeding them any higher than 8? The best thing one can say about them is they didn't lose to anyone outside Quad 1. But wins over the likes of Villanova and Green Bay and Syracuse and Seton Hall don't do much. (And let's not even talk about how they looked against UCLA and Kansas State.)

They had to play their schedule. They were 22-3 vs everyone not named UConn. And 1 of the 3 was to the #1 team.

 

[Plebe]

They had to play their schedule. They were 22-3 vs everyone not named UConn. And 1 of the 3 was to the #1 team.

None of which constitutes a case for a higher seed.

—Every team can be described as “having to play their schedule”.
—Raw W-L record means little. South Dakota State is 27-3 and beat Creighton and is only projected as a 9 seed. Grand Canyon is 28-2 and won't be higher than a 12 seed.
—Getting floor-mopped by a top team does not earn a higher seed.

If anything, an 8 seed is a tad generous now that I look more closely. Again, the best that can be said for them is that they “held serve” against weaker foes and didn't lose to anyone worse than the Jackrabbits.

 

[johnhelvete]

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning for calling an 8 seed “unfair” for Creighton. Their best win (by far) is over Nebraska, a projected 10 seed. That's their only win over an at-large-caliber team. And then they have a loss to South Dakota State, a projected 9 seed.

What in their resume would justify seeding them any higher than 8? The best thing one can say about them is they didn't lose to anyone outside Quad 1. But wins over the likes of Villanova and Green Bay and Syracuse and Seton Hall don't do much. (And let's not even talk about how they looked against UCLA and Kansas State.)

I admit to mostly going off of what Kim Adams said during the broadcast of the BE Championship Game, that and Creighton's record. Perhaps I shouldnt have used the word "unfair". My point was that arguably the difference between a 7 seed and an 8 seed is more significant than a 2 seed and a 1 seed, I could see Creighton giving TCU a tight game for example, while Creighton probably has no chance against a 1 seed. And the 8/9 matchups are often a coinflip, Creighton might not even make it to the second round. If posters want to bemoan the state of the Big East and how it "hurts" UCONN, or talk about seeding criteria they dont agree with, than where are the posts about how Creighton deserves to be higher than an 8 seed?

 

[Plebe]

I admit to mostly going off of what Kim Adams said during the broadcast of the BE Championship Game, that and Creighton's record. Perhaps I shouldnt have used the word "unfair". My point was that arguably the difference between a 7 seed and an 8 seed is more significant than a 2 seed and a 1 seed, I could see Creighton giving TCU a tight game for example, while Creighton probably has no chance against a 1 seed. And the 8/9 matchups are often a coinflip, Creighton might not even make it to the second round. If posters want to bemoan the state of the Big East and how it "hurts" UCONN, or talk about seeding criteria they dont agree with, than where are the posts about how Creighton deserves to be higher than an 8 seed?

The conference-owned broadcasts across the board are notorious for this kind of blatant rah-rah talk about seeding and bracketology. Adams also tried to pump up Seton Hall's “tournament resume” as a potential at-large team. To describe this as wishful thinking would be putting it mildly.

I'm not convinced Creighton would have earned a higher seed playing in a better conference. The data from this season as a whole indicate that an 8 or 9 seed is consistent with their quality of play. Whether they might pull an upset is a separate question. The 8-9 game is not a good place to land, but two years ago Stanford and Indiana as 1 seeds were upset in the 2nd round by Ole Miss (8 seed) and Miami (9 seed).

 

[baggerbob]

Very true! We (or anyone else) are vulnerable when we don’t/can’t put the ball in the basket! I do however, think that many/some on this board make far too much of the Tenn. loss in their rush to deny our possible #1 seeding! Yes, we lost a game on the road where we shot 40% & 25% and were out rebounded by double digits! However, look at what this team has done since! Does anyone doubt that we would likely beat Tennessee (as they were then) by 15+ now? I don’t believe any team in the country has been better since that Tennessee loss!
I truly don’t care if they put us as a #2 but I do take issue with those who have a cow at the very idea that UConn might possibly get a one seed! I don’t say it would be unfair to place us as a two but I also do not think a one seed would be unfair. The Committee looks at a lot of things in making their decisions and while I firmly believe there is bias in some of their decisions, in this case it really could go either way for UConn! I just pray our girls can put together a six game run of high level offense and defense!

The keys for Uconn this year are Paige, Azzi, and Aubrey. Those 3 Seniors play at their best level and Uconn will win the Championship.

 

[uconnfan68]

None of which constitutes a case for a higher seed.

—Every team can be described as “having to play their schedule”.
—Raw W-L record means little. South Dakota State is 27-3 and beat Creighton and is only projected as a 9 seed. Grand Canyon is 28-2 and won't be higher than a 12 seed.
—Getting floor-mopped by a top team does not earn a higher seed.

If anything, an 8 seed is a tad generous now that I look more closely. Again, the best that can be said for them is that they “held serve” against weaker foes and didn't lose to anyone worse than the Jackrabbits.

It applies to us as well. No one can say we earned a 1 seed with our schedule.

 

[BRS24]

Late last night update, most likely the lower seeds based on a few bubbles bursting.

 

[BRS24]

Today's update from CC;

The bubble might not be deep this year, but it doesn't mean there isn't intrigue. And Providence is where most of it lies. For the second straight year, Ivy Madness holds the key to the final spots in the NCAA tournament field. Princeton and Harvard -- currently the final two teams in the field -- meet in Friday's Ivy League semifinals, and no fan base outside of the Northeast will be watching this game with more interest than the Virginia Tech faithful. If there is a decisive victory by either the Tigers or Crimson, the loser is likely out, once again opening a spot for the Hokies, who have spent much of the past month floating between the right and wrong side of the bubble. Depending on how these games go, any two -- or possibly three -- Ivy League teams can make the NCAA tournament. (Regular-season champ Columbia is the favorite to emerge from the other side of the bracket.) Last year, the Ivy got two bids for the first time. This season, it looks destined to match that -- or do it one better.​

Not me not understanding why Charlie referenced Providence in his last two updates. LOL. The Ivies are rotating hosting sites each year. Cornell hosts in 2026 and Dartmouth in 2027.

Ivy League Announces Next Three Sites for Ivy Madness; Headed to Providence in 2025

Ivy Madness 2024

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