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johnhuskies95 said:
I don't think people realize how difficult it is for a senior to get drafted in the lottery, let alone a senior who is 23 years old.

Also, I don't know where the whole narrative started that guys develop more in college than the NBA, but I just don't think it's true.
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It's not that you develop more in college. It's that you have to be ready for the NBA or else you get cut.
 
PcketknfNiels said:
Wesley Johnson was like 24 and a top 10 pick. Being a 4 year player doesn't matter if you both have good numbers and what scouts/gm's discern to be nba skills.

Also, players clearly develop more in college than the nba, without getting into the "who spends more time working with thw players" argument, the fact is that you develop more physically from 18-22.
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The NBA spends much more time working with their players. It's a year round job. I understand that there is a natural physical development that takes place when a kid is college aged, but that's not really the point. Given the option of the NBA or college, a player is going to develop more in the NBA.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
The NBA spends much more time working with their players. It's a year round job. I understand that there is a natural physical development that takes place when a kid is college aged, but that's not really the point. Given the option of the NBA or college, a player is going to develop more in the NBA.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. There's too much going on in season (back to backs, 3in4, 4in5) and traveling for a ton of development to take place.
 
PcketknfNiels said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. There's too much going on in season (back to backs, 3in4, 4in5) and traveling for a ton of development to take place.
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Well, there are no practice maximums and what not. A ton of development takes place in the league.
 
DD is not a lottery pick, so don't confuse emotion with reality. He needs strength and a better handle. He had a few really good tourney games, but his handle and upper body strength needs work. As for Boat, he needs to get stronger, improve his outside shooting, and learn how to rise up and take the mid-range instead of taking the ball into the crowded middle. Love both these guys, and hope they stay.
 
sparky said:
DD is not a lottery pick, so don't confuse emotion with reality. He needs strength and a better handle. He had a few really good tourney games, but his handle and upper body strength needs work. As for Boat, he needs to get stronger, improve his outside shooting, and learn how to rise up and take the mid-range instead of taking the ball into the crowded middle. Love both these guys, and hope they stay.
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He's been rising and firing on the mid range a fair bit; best example was that huge bucket over Randle late in the Final. He's got decent strength too imo. But he definitely needs to work on his outside shooting.
 
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johnhuskies95 said:
I don't think people realize how difficult it is for a senior to get drafted in the lottery, let alone a senior who is 23 years old.

Also, I don't know where the whole narrative started that guys develop more in college than the NBA, but I just don't think it's true.
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You don't need to be drafted in the lottery. If you can go from late second round to late first round (like, say, Shabazz), you'll be doing yourself a pretty big favor with a guaranteed contract, etc., no?
 
PcketknfNiels said:
I disagree wholeheartedly. There's too much going on in season (back to backs, 3in4, 4in5) and traveling for a ton of development to take place.
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Popovich is not working out the Spurs' young guys on the mornings of game days. That's why they have a staff of coaches. You're kidding yourself if you think a young kid - a young kid a team has invested in for the future - is not getting a lot more focused instruction in the NBA than he would be in college.
 
Irish Loop said:
You don't need to be drafted in the lottery. If you can go from late second round to late first round (like, say, Shabazz), you'll be doing yourself a pretty big favor with a guaranteed contract, etc., no?
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I totally agree. But many people in this thread have been saying that he'll be a lottery pick if he comes back next year.
 
Daniels will be a late first rounder whether he goes this year or next. It's about how quickly he wants the guaranteed contract. Obviously we'd all love to have him back next year but we can't blame him for leaving and taking the money now.
 
if I had to take a wild guess I would tell you DD is leaving and Boat is staying based on what I saw at the parade, obviously I wish both would stay but if I had to choose I would rather Boat stay.
 
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that dude is one of the more annoying AAU characters around, and now with DHam you're gonna have to hear him spout nonsense for a few more years.

tcf15 said:
FWIW, here is Daniels' former AAU coach going at it with people on Twitter about DD's rankings coming out of high school, and he dropped this little nugget:
Evan Daniels ‏@EvanDaniels
@trigonis30 @GoodmanESPN 12 of 30 people ranked ahead of DD are already in NBA. 8 more will come out this year. Way more right than wrong
https://twitter.com/trigonis30/status/455777143830495232
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aceboon said:
that dude is one of the more annoying AAU characters around, and now with DHam you're gonna have to hear him spout nonsense for a few more years.
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Yeah, I saw the conversation and had no idea how DeAndre had entered into it since it all started with a tweet about Montrezl Harrel going pro.
 
tcf15 said:
Yeah, I saw the conversation and had no idea how DeAndre had entered into it since it all started with a tweet about Montrezl Harrel going pro.
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all in an effort to pump up his boy(this isn't a shot at DD, just this guy and his self promoting ways), he's crying that Evan Daniels and the Scout guys had him ranked too "low" @ 31, when given the way he's performed through 3 years there's nothing wrong with that ranking at all. all season long it was Bazz and Boat don't pass DD the ball when he slept walked thru a game, then when he plays well its "see what happens when they pass", that dude and alot of those west coast AAU mafia guys are clowns. Ed Isaacson who runs NBA Draft Blog lit him up on twitter the other night.
 
The following player was selected #12 based almost exclusively what he did his senior year.

3yr average (Fr.-Jr)
(G) 30, (GS) 8, (MPG) 10.77, (FG%) 52, (FT%) 47, (RPG) 3, (APG) .53, (SPG) .2, (BPG) .87, (PPG) 3

Senior Year
(G) 34, (GS) 33, (MPG) 27.7, (FG%) 50, (FT%) 69, (RPG) 6.6, (APG) .7, (SPG) .6, (BPG) 3.1, (PPG) 9.7
 
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Let The Kid Get His Money. He Clearly Wants It. Had A Solid College Carr. Let Us Start Developing Facey next.
 
I worry about our front court depth if Daniels leaves.

If he's gotten word he'll go Round 1, it makes sense to come out.

It sucks they can't test the waters, work out and then see where they stand and either enter it come back now. Just another way to screw the players.
 
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The idea that players can't develop their skills once they are in the NBA or won't be given the time to develop is one of the biggest BS myths of all time.

To find a player who has improved his skills after joining the NBA just randomly pick a player from any starting NBA lineup, chances are they have improved their skills after joining the league.

I'm sure Cincy fans thought Lance Stephenson was making a mistake.
 
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Husky25 said:
The following player was selected #12 based almost exclusively what he did his senior year.



YearTeamGPGSMPGFG%3P%FT%RPGAPGSPGBPGPPG
2002–03322210.8.545.000.5002.8.7.2.72.8
2003–043519.1.500.000.3882.8.3.1.72.4
2004–0530012.4.519.000.5253.4.6.31.23.8
2005–06343327.7.608.500.6926.6.7.63.19.7
Career1315615.1.563.333.5783.9.6.31.44.7
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Hilton was a late bloomer, DD was a full-time starter by his sophomore year and was a huge part of our national championship run. Bad example.
 
Rico444 said:
Hilton was a late bloomer, DD was a full-time starter by his sophomore year and was a huge part of our national championship run. Bad example.
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Daniels was incredibly inconsistent and a third scoring option. He will be 1 or 1a his senior year. If he gets a guaranteed contract, I say: Thanks for the memories. If there is even a chance that he goes in the second round, I say: let's make some more memories.
 
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I'm basically taking it as a given that Boatright will be back this year, he wants to be "the guy" and isn't projected to be picked in the draft anyway.

I expect to see DD back too. I think he's teetering on the edge of being a great player but his consistency isn't there yet. A solid senior year could put him firmly into the 18-25 pick range. He seems like he's very comfortable at UConn with KO, doesn't look like he's going to rush it.
 
amory said:
I'm basically taking it as a given that Boatright will be back this year, he wants to be "the guy" and isn't projected to be picked in the draft anyway.

I expect to see DD back too. I think he's teetering on the edge of being a great player but his consistency isn't there yet. A solid senior year could put him firmly into the 18-25 pick range. He seems like he's very comfortable at UConn with KO, doesn't look like he's going to rush it.
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I expect Boat to be back, but reading the tea leaves, I expect DD to declare for the draft. Of the two, he was always the more likely to go. And it seems like he's leaning in that direction, based on some of the internet chatter above.
 
metsfan2323 said:
The idea that players can't develop their skills once they are in the NBA or won't be given the time to develop is one of the biggest BS myths of all time.

To find a player who has improved his skills after joining the NBA just randomly pick a player from any starting NBA lineup, chances are they have improved their skills after joining the league.

I'm sure Cincy fans thought Lance Stephenson was making a mistake.
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You are wrong, especially if the guy isn't a first round pick. First round picks do get 3 years to develop, but if they are not NBA ready its only a last resort to send them to the NBDL for PT and the NBDL sucks/no development. So then at NBA level the TIME is there and there are assistant coaches to work on player development, but the quality of that depends heavily on the team (i.e. not Philly) AND most importantly is almost entirely up to the individual. If you are AD and you are motivated that works and a 1st year with limited playing time is beneficial. But someone like Gerald Green finds themselves out of the league and playing in Europe. He is a great example, extremely talented but came in with little BBall IQ, immature and not a hard worker. Burned thru his rookie deal and then took him a few years to get back into the league.

So if DD is a borderline prospect right now (FACT) why not get better at basketball, learn to be more consistent, gain some strength etc.. AND most importantly name notoriety that gets you into the first round?
If he's north of 50% chance of first rounder I'd say go, but it is both riskier and less lucrative than sticking around another year if he believes in his NBA talent.

P.S. Lance Stephenson DID make a mistake! He's was picked 40th. He's in his 4th season and has NEVER made more than $1M per year. That is chump change for a player of his caliber. He is going to finally get paid this year, but he came out too early and cost himself millions AND didn't develop as quickly (barely played yr 1-2). This is admittedly extreme and ridiculous but he could have played 4yrs at Cincy and made more $ by being the #1 pick last year. He'll finally make his $ this summer.
 
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Husky25 said:
Daniels was incredibly inconsistent and a third scoring option. He will be 1 or 1a his senior year. If he gets a guaranteed contract, I say: Thanks for the memories. If there is even a chance that he goes in the second round, I say: let's make some more memories.
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If you want to argue that DD is incredibly inconsistent, fine. But don't you think there's a decent chance that, if he's still incredibly inconsistent by the end of his junior year, that maybe he's just an inconsistent player? And if he's still inconsistent next year, that his draft stock will plummet?

His stock is very high right now. He could improve upon it if he has a big year...but he could hurt it, too, if he doesn't improve. While I'd be thrilled if he came back, if he does go, it's not a bad move.
 
Rico444 said:
If you want to argue that DD is incredibly inconsistent, fine. But don't you think there's a decent chance that, if he's still incredibly inconsistent by the end of his junior year, that maybe he's just an inconsistent player? And if he's still inconsistent next year, that his draft stock will plummet?
His stock is very high right now. He could improve upon it if he has a big year...but he could hurt it, too, if he doesn't improve. While I'd be thrilled if he came back, if he does go, it's not a bad move.
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Potentially...It's only a bad move if Daniels is a 1st rounder this year. There is no guarantee and it only takes one team, but most people have him going in the latter part of the second round. He does not hurt his value by coming back unless he breaks his coccyx or something.

Looks like you are new to this thread, so I'll go back and find one of my posts that you may have glossed over.

Husky25 said:
We'll see.
Daniels was woefully inconsistent until Rutgers on March 5, at which time he was probably fully healthy from his high ankle sprain. He missed two games but most likely played hurt in the rest. From 3/5 on, he played at least 21 minutes with only one game under 26. He was in double figures in all but two games as well, during one of those getting into early foul trouble in the National Title game (One could argue phantom fouls, but it still happened). Finally, the best 4 games in that stretch from 3/5 were arguably the Sweet Sixteen, Elite Eight, Final Four, and National Title game.
It is absolutely true that Daniels' stock is at its historical highest, but I don't believe it is at it's peak. He was third chair while accomplishing the above. He will be at least 1b next year and with a consistency game in and game out, he can certainly move into the lottery and possibly a top 5 pick.
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a la Hilton Armstrong.
 
Didn't we just watch these guys win a national championship? If DD falls to the latter part of the second round, the NBA is insane. He has to find the right landing place to fit in, but most late second rounders don't make the league. I would be shocked if DD didn't make a team.
 
pj said:
Didn't we just watch these guys win a national championship? If DD falls to the latter part of the second round, the NBA is insane. He has to find the right landing place to fit in, but most late second rounders don't make the league. I would be shocked if DD didn't make a team.
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It's not that I doubt Daniels would make a team. That is irrelevant. Second rounders don't get a guaranteed contract. Big Baby has made a nice little career for himself and has a championship ring.
 
The wildcard is the international impact. 7 guys from overseas were drafted in the first round last year.

#'s 15, 16, 17, 19, 27, 28, and 30. Daniels could get bumped by some guys teams have no intention of signing for a few years. The NBA draft is a nightmare for borderline guys. I think Deandre should come back. If he plays a full season the way he did the tournament, he should be a top 20 pick, and less likely to drop to the 2nd round.

That said, Deandre is going to get better information from Ollie via the scouts than any of us have. So he should weigh his options and make the best decision for himself. Hopefully that means coming back next year.
 
WingU-Conn said:
The wildcard is the international impact. 7 guys from overseas were drafted in the first round last year.

#'s 15, 16, 17, 19, 27, 28, and 30. Daniels could get bumped by some guys a team has no intention of signing for a few years. The NBA draft is a nightmare for borderline guys. I think Deandre should come back. If he plays a full season the way he did the tournament, he should be a top 20 pick, and less likely to drop to the 2nd round.

That said, Deandre is going to get better information from Ollie via the scouts than any of us have. So he should weigh his options and make the best decision for himself. Hopefully that means coming back next year.
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I just check 6 separate Mock drafts. Granted that 3 of them were CBS's and haven't been updated in 3 weeks, but Daniels was not to found in any of them, even the ones that predicted both rounds. Daniels has to declare by the 27th, so we will know within 2 weeks. Tomorrow is the deadline to return to school if the player has already declared.
 
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