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johnhuskies95 said:
Adrien has been given playing time right now on the Bucks, and he's been playing very well.

Do you honestly think a guy like DeAndre Jordan would've been better off developing at Texas A&M as opposed to the Clippers?
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Adrien doesn't really fit into this convo because he was who he was and even staying 4 years his height held him down when it came to draft stock.

Given how sparingly Deandre Jordan played his first couple of years I think ue may have been better staying. Even now he gets by on his physical skills rather than any discernable skill, especially offensively.
 
There's a difference between being a sure fire first round pick and a guy with an unclear draft status. If you know you're a first rounder, you get a three-year deal and the team invests in your development, much greater than what you could get in college. If not, you could end up with any number of scenarios. Not making it at all, D League, maybe getting a one-year deal but the team doesn't really worry about developing you since you aren't in their long term plans.

If you know you're a first rounder and can't raise your stock much, it makes sense to go. It also makes sense if you just need to provide money for your family and would be happy making six figures in Europe if you don't stick in the NBA. A guy like Boone made the right choice going, even though his career was short. He went first round, got a guaranteed deal, made good money and has continued to make good money overseas. If he stayed, he might not have made it at all. Guys like Rip, Kemba and Caron went from late first round to lottery with an extra year.
 
PcketknfNiels said:
Adrien doesn't really fit into this convo because he was who he was and even staying 4 years his height held him down when it came to draft stock.

Given how sparingly Deandre Jordan played his first couple of years I think ue may have been better staying. Even now he gets by on his physical skills rather than any discernable skill, especially offensively.
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You were the one who brought up Adrien in the first place.

And exactly how would Jordan have gained more skill by staying in college? Would it have been due to the greater number of coaches? The superior facilities? The greater amount of practice time? The world class teammates and opponents? The greater amount of games?
 
johnhuskies95 said:
You were the one who brought up Adrien in the first place.

And exactly how would Jordan have gained more skill by staying in college? Would it have been due to the greater number of coaches? The superior facilities? The greater amount of practice time? The world class teammates and opponents? The greater amount of games?
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Or maybe by playing 30+ minutes as opposed to 12 and being given more opportunity to work with the ball in college. What facilities are NBA teams using on road games that are better than what any college with a good athletic department has?

I brought up Adrien as someone who got drafted late and someone who took yeara to be given a chance.
 
The arguments on both sides are valid. I usually have a pretty strong opinion about early entrants from UConn, and I generally agree with Calhoun. I have a strong opinion on Boat, and I hope and think he will come back.

I am completely stumped by Daniels. I think his length, speed and skill make him a borderline first round pick, but I can't find a mock draft that agrees with me. I get all the arguments to go pro at his age, but you can't leave early unless you are guaranteed a shot at the 1st round. Hopefully Ollie has some good feedback for him by now.
 
The difference in minutes on the court is scant compared to the amount of practice time you get in the pros, the lack of school responsibilities, the absence of limitations on practice and contact with coaches, and the fact you're playing against better competition in practice.

Each situation is different. Lamb had to go because of his stock, but may have developed quicker with another year in college. But if you're a lottery pick, you have to go. Butler had to go. Drummond had to go. Thabeet had to go. I don't know that there's been a coach who has gotten better information and given better advice to his NBA prospects than Jim Calhoun. I have full confidence in Ollie to do the same. He's too well liked, played for too many teams, and has too many contacts to not be able to get quality feedback from scouts/front offices.

Daniels isn't a lottery pick, obviously. He has first round talent, but that doesn't mean he'll be a first round pick. It's a risk/reward. The way I see it, another year of college can only help him. His stock isn't going to get lower, only higher. God forbid he gets injured, he should be on the path to graduating and will have a degree to fall back on. He'll be an all-star in any league not named the NBA whether he comes out now or next year, but another year could get him that guaranteed contract and a couple million dollars.

Whatever he decides, I'll be a fan for live after he helped bring home #4.
 
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For everyone saying Daniels isn't on any mocks, that's not totally accurate. I'd quote, but seems like every other poster is saying it.

DraftExpress doesn't list him for 2014 because he thinks it's more likely Daniels will stay and get drafted in 2015. He's in the (late) first round of the 2015 mock. That site is setup to be mutually exclusive for the mocks, so he doesn't list people in both... but it doesn't mean he wouldn't make the 1st or 2nd round of the 2014 mock. He's listed #32 in DraftExpress' top 100 prospects, so he could be a late first-rounder in the 2014 mock if a couple people withdraw.

As for ESPN, Chad Ford has him at #39 on his big board, which would translate to the 9th pick in the 2nd round if his mock did both rounds.

Seems likely he'd be a bubble first-rounder considering his placement in these mocks plus an upward momentum from the tournament. The tough decision is plain for anyone to see. Anyone who says he'd be an idiot either to go or to stay is precisely that.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
The difference in minutes on the court is scant compared to the amount of practice time you get in the pros, the lack of school responsibilities, the absence of limitations on practice and contact with coaches, and the fact you're playing against better competition in practice.
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Teams don't practice much in season due to the logjam of games and all the travel. That's before factoring in the amount these guys go clubbing or any promotional/charitable work these guys do.
 
Husky25 said:
I just check 6 separate Mock drafts. Granted that 3 of them were CBS's and haven't been updated in 3 weeks, but Daniels was not to found in any of them, even the ones that predicted both rounds. Daniels has to declare by the 27th, so we will know within 2 weeks. Tomorrow is the deadline to return to school if the player has already declared.
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Exactly. What we think doesn't matter. I'm all for him going but the guys that project this stuff for a living don't have him going in a place that makes sense for him to leave.
 
I have a question I posted before but no one answered, with Daniels I am torn whether he goes or stays and can see it going either way, with Boatright is him going even a realistic option. Other than these message boards has anyone seen rumors / talks / mock drafts with Boatright on it? As a 5'11 guard who was second in command this year, I'm not sure him going this year is even worth discussing. Have people heard / read otherwise other than these message boards?
 
nyc2014 said:
I have a question I posted before but no one answered, with Daniels I am torn whether he goes or stays and can see it going either way, with Boatright is him going even a realistic option. Other than these message boards has anyone seen rumors / talks / mock drafts with Boatright on it? As a 5'11 guard who was second in command this year, I'm not sure him going this year is even worth discussing. Have people heard / read otherwise other than these message boards?
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Have you read any quotes from Boat over the past 2 years? I don't believe he's going to enter, but the discussion has nothing to do with any mock drafts. He said coming into his sophomore year that he considered entering the draft after his freshman year, then coming into his junior year he said this would be his last year. His quotes during the beginning of the tourney makes it seems like he's wised up a bit and was leaning towards coming back, but that was also before the title run and him playing his best ball of the year. The speculation on Boat is based solely on the quotes he's given the past few years that show he's had his mind focused on the NBA. I'm sure Boat isn't the only player who's come thru the program who thinks like that, but he is the only one I can recall who has spoken so freely and open about it.
 
walker11 said:
I think often the guys who can develop the most in college are guys who perhaps lack confidence and need to grow mentally and emotionally. I completey agree that DD could raise his stock next year. I just think its stupid to think college develops players better than the NBA.

As for champs post, I think Lamb developed a ton in the D league. I watched him play there and he was running the point some and always the go to guy. I bet he developed there more than he would have at Uconn.
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You might be right. I admit to not being overly familiar with the D-League, so if you watched him play, I'll take your word.

I feel like my point still stands, though: Lamb and a few others being exceptions, most of the time, the D-League is littered with guys who aren't real NBA prospects. Granted, certain guys (Jeff Adrien, Danny Green, Reggie Jackson, J-Lamb, etc.) have used it to vault themselves into more prominent roles in the NBA, but in general, if you're a high-end first round pick, teams aren't sending you there because it is almost admittance of a mistake.

If the D-League becomes a viable option, that's probably the NBA's best option. But right now, it just isn't utilized properly, at least not by everybody, which is why I think you can make the argument that a kid would be better off playing in college than he would be playing 5-10 minutes a game in the pros. So, while I agree with you that college doesn't develop kids better than the NBA, it's really a case-by-case basis in my opinion. Some might develop better in college, others might grow faster in the NBA. It depends on a lot of factors, draft position being one of them.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Boat: 80%.

DD: 50%.

For those who aren't math majors, that would make 40% both come back.
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Since Daniels is almost certainly not coming back, the probability of both coming back is almost zero. If you want a better probability of at least Boatright coming back, then it is at least 0.80 but not by a lot. (0.0001) (0.80) +(0.9999)((0.80) +(0.0001)(.20)
 
PcketknfNiels said:
Adrien doesn't really fit into this convo because he was who he was and even staying 4 years his height held him down when it came to draft stock.

Given how sparingly Deandre Jordan played his first couple of years I think ue may have been better staying. Even now he gets by on his physical skills rather than any discernable skill, especially offensively.
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Overlooked here is that guys just develop at different rates, have different drives to improve, and most importantly have different ceilings. When guys don't fit the physical prototype for the NBA, it's even more difficult to predict that ceiling.
 
I'm not sure I'll ever believe that DD has round 1 potential this year unless Ollie comes out and says it himself. Hard to imagine DD being a first rounder in a draft where Shabazz might not even go first. I understand they're two different players, ages, bodies, positions, but Shabazz is much more prepared for the nba than DD.

Teams picking in the late first round are projected to be the likes of the Rockets, Spurs, Heat, to name a few. Even if DD got picked late first round, you think he'd get lucky enough to actually play? It took Lamb what, two seasons before he cracked the rotation? It's so hard to believe the DD I see today would make it without more overall development.
 
Alexander said:
Teams picking in the late first round are projected to be the likes of the Rockets, Spurs, Heat, to name a few. Even if DD got picked late first round, you think he'd get lucky enough to actually play? It took Lamb what, two seasons before he cracked the rotation? It's so hard to believe the DD I see today would make it without more overall development.
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But the only thing that matters is that he developed. Lamb should have gone when he did and the results are paying off. He's going to earn a nice second contract.

Doesn't matter if you are ready right away. Fact is, most guys aren't.
 
intlzncster said:
Overlooked here is that guys just develop at different rates, have different drives to improve, and most importantly have different ceilings. When guys don't fit the physical prototype for the NBA, it's even more difficult to predict that ceiling.
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That's partly why I think he should stay. Stock can only go up with a big year and the higher he gets picked the more opportunity he'll have.
 
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Irish Loop said:
What is the basis of this statement?
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It's been discussed in another thread -- about someone speaking in his behalf.

His draft cannot go much higher that what it is (late first draft, probably close behind Bazz) right now, unless he stays to lead the Huskies to a repeat.
 
PacificStorm said:
It's been discussed in another thread -- about someone speaking in his behalf.

His draft cannot go much higher that what it is (late first draft, probably close behind Bazz) right now, unless he stays to lead the Huskies to a repeat.
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Handlers or those who pretend to be a kids "handler" sometimes tip their hand on what THEY think the kid should do because they foresee some benefit as a result. Daniels has a serious decision to make. His father obviously does not fall into the category of a parent pressuring the kid to leave from everything I have read/heard. Ollie/Calhoun in this case will be the deciding factor. I think the coaching staff is getting mixed reviews on the prospects of DD from NBA personnel. His stock rose significantly during the tourney but he was completely OFF the radar before March Madness. My guess is DD could go as high as El-Amin went when he left early (early 2nd round).

Most of us reasonable minds new Boat would stay 4 years despite his repeated references to the NBA. Why? The coaching staff loves him to much to watch him make the biggest mistake of his life. Boat has a shot at the league right now with a breakout season next year. I think DD falls under this umbrella also.
 
BLUEDOGHOUSE said:
Handlers or those who pretend to be a kids "handler" sometimes tip their hand on what THEY think the kid should do because they foresee some benefit as a result. Daniels has a serious decision to make. His father obviously does not fall into the category of a parent pressuring the kid to leave from everything I have read/heard. Ollie/Calhoun in this case will be the deciding factor. I think the coaching staff is getting mixed reviews on the prospects of DD from NBA personnel. His stock rose significantly during the tourney but he was completely OFF the radar before March Madness. My guess is DD could go as high as El-Amin went when he left early (early 2nd round).

Most of us reasonable minds new Boat would stay 4 years despite his repeated references to the NBA. Why? The coaching staff loves him to much to watch him make the biggest mistake of his life. Boat has a shot at the league right now with a breakout season next year. I think DD falls under this umbrella also.
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Bluedog, I understand your concerns and agree with your insights. Here is a recent draft news that may shed some light on the subject. Notice that Bazz is now 18th. Look up Daniels, too.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft
 
It's possible Bazz and Daniels may even move up to at around #15 and #21, respectively. Pretty much depends on which NBA executives are calling the shots.
 
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intlzncster said:
Overlooked here is that guys just develop at different rates, have different drives to improve, and most importantly have different ceilings. When guys don't fit the physical prototype for the NBA, it's even more difficult to predict that ceiling.
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I don't disagree. In Deandre Jordan's case he would have been given much more playing time and in game opportunity with the ball in his hands. Hard to get that in game opportunity unless you're a lottery pick usually.
 
PacificStorm said:
I thought so, too. In fact, I felt he would have gone higher than Siva. And where is Siva now?
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Siva has actually been getting some decent minutes lately with the Pistons. As for Russ Smith, the fact that he's not considered a first round pick or at least an early second kind of baffles me. Great, great college player, who, while may be a tweener at the next level, certainly seems capable of playing a reserve role somewhere.
 
Every other mock draft I've seen is not as hopeful for Deandre.
 
NBADraft.net is not an informed site. Just some dudes' opinions. Take it with a grain of salt.
 
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