Ohio St.'s best win is against a 3 loss Psu team at home. There is no way on earth a p10 team with a loss to a team with a losing record belongs in the top 4. The "best win" this year is easily A&M beating Bama.
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How is ND's SOS #8? I looked at their schedule/opponents records about a week ago and the majority of their opponents were 3-4 or 4-4 (maybe some of them were still to be played) but #8 SOS surprises me.
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Give me a break. No way Cincy should be behind Ohio State. I missed the rationale of the committee. They were more concerned about the voices at OSU and Oregon had they put them behind Cincy—but they knew either MSU or more likely OSU would likely be eliminated as would Alabama vs UGA. So they’ll let the games ahead bring Cincy into the top 4.
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I don’t put huge stock in SOS ratings in FB because there aren’t that many observations and I think unconventional combinations can come up strong. I suspect ND has done well because its schedule is mostly above average but not great teams, and no real losers. (Well maybe Toledo but even they have a few wins.)
So basically a bunch of B-level opponents for the most part. Averaged together it comes out pretty high.
Most schools have some A level combined with several D and Fs which weigh the average down.
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Notre Dame should win out which is good for Cincy but bad for the committee who might like to sneak them in. Oregon is good despite a bad loss.
But I'll go with:
Georgia
Michigan State
Cincy
Oklahoma
as undefeateds based on best wins
Then:
Oregon
Bama
OSU
Michigan
Wake Forest
Notre Dame
They had to push Cincy down now which is a total fraud on the system. Except the system was rigged to do just this.
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I’d even go for Georgia, Mich St, Cincy, Alabama.
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Another interesting thing is how much love Michigan/Michigan St. gets. I believe another Nike school. Neither one of those teams really beat anybody good in ooc schedule. Msu did get Miami of Florida, but they're unranked and have struggled to get to 500. I guess Harbaugh's best win is Wisky who ND handled pretty easily in Chicago. Msu only beat an IU team who by then was on their backup qb by 5 while Cincy beat them by 14 when their starting qb was still healthy. It's the rare year where there are some common opponents. However, putting Cincy and even Oklahoma behind those two is iffy, particularly in the case of Oregon. Oregon has looked awful in a number of their wins. Bottom line if you're going to put in a top 4 a team that has lost, it HAS to be to a top team, not a 3 an 5 conference team. Reading on twitter i saw Luke Fickell was pretty quiet about it, but his comment about asking if Gary Barta ever played football is classic stuff. He's the classic case of Ncaa pimp.
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Cincy’s problem is the Committee wasn’t picking them any way, any time. They dismantled Norte Dame on the road. And like UCF a few years ago, none of those teams want to face the Bearcats. They really should just tell everyone that 2 SEC teams one Big 10 and one B12/PAC are invited
Alabama could lose again and will still be in. Same with Ohio State. Both are required for ratings.
Strength of schedule is about the most bogus metric out there. I’s sole purpose is to allow things like Cincinatti to be kept out. FWIT there have actually been academic analyses of it and it is not a valuable predictor of much of anything. Only an excuse. Applies equally to basketball where it is abused to allow bids to go to bad teams and insure teams from P5 conferences to get higher seeds than they deserve. It also includes an inherent bias, like Alabama having a tough schedule, despite the fact that they really haven’t beaten much. There “big” win was over Mississippi Who lost to AAC Memphis and held on to beat a decidedly average Arkansas.
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If Alabama goes, it will because they will have beaten the best team in the country, Georgia. And beaten four teams in the current top 25 and played five...
Cincinnati has played Notre Dame.....It is a heck of a lot easier to win your one top 25 game than to wade through five of them.
It is what it is....Alabama would blast through Cincinnati's schedule...Heck, even FSU took the Irish to overtime.
Cincinnati has played Notre Dame.....It is a heck of a lot easier to win your one top 25 game than to wade through five of them.
It is what it is....Alabama would blast through Cincinnati's schedule...Heck, even FSU took the Irish to overtime.
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The only surprise I see here is that they didn't try to finger a way to put Cincinnati eighth. A month from now, if they have to select a G5 school as one of the four it would be an apocalyptic event in their eyes. They will do anything they can to prevent this.
Over the remainder of the season, quite a few candidates from P5 conferences will drop, solely due to the fact that some will play each other. They needed sufficient wiggle room to allow this to happen without Cincinnati ending up as a too four school. Putting them in the top four now would not afford them the opportunity to drop them out later in the season.
What I find most humorous is the current discussion about Cincinnati having "bad wins". This is a concept that only applies to G5 schools. Oklahoma barely escaped Nebraska and Texas yet the only school that needs to apologize is Cincinnati for not annihilating Navy and Tulane.
The cartel will change their opinion of Cincinnati once they join the B12 (subject to change as soon as the B12 is dropped from power conference status).
Over the remainder of the season, quite a few candidates from P5 conferences will drop, solely due to the fact that some will play each other. They needed sufficient wiggle room to allow this to happen without Cincinnati ending up as a too four school. Putting them in the top four now would not afford them the opportunity to drop them out later in the season.
What I find most humorous is the current discussion about Cincinnati having "bad wins". This is a concept that only applies to G5 schools. Oklahoma barely escaped Nebraska and Texas yet the only school that needs to apologize is Cincinnati for not annihilating Navy and Tulane.
The cartel will change their opinion of Cincinnati once they join the B12 (subject to change as soon as the B12 is dropped from power conference status).
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Are you sure about that? Most pundits have been saying that the hole (due to strength of remaining schedule) is far too deep for Cincinnati to climb into the top four.
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Am I the only one who thinks the committee is actually doing their best to rank the teams based on the teams' relative quality? Of course the process is going to be flawed and plagued with biases, but I don't think one needs to resort to theories about the committee trying to please TV executives to explain the results. In other words, I think the rankings would be just as controversial if TV and money were not involved.
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From last night through this morning I've seen five different reviews that all stated (due to some teams ahead of them facing each other and a B-12 title allowing them to leapfrog others) that if the Sooners win out they will be in the playoffs. Nobody said the same about Cincinnati.
Do you truly believe that (shy of a number of very chaotic and highly unlikely upsets) there is any chance Cincinnati could finish the season in the top four?
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The head of the FWAA is an ESPN employee who stared a jihad against Cinci last week. Herbstreit even said during the show they have danger from behind.
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Great points you make. I guess the only solace we have is that to some small degree at least the final four have to play each other on the field and we get a "true winner". If they expand the playoff then it will get "truer". Until then (and even then to some degree I suppose) we will have to deal with the BS of the cartel, media outlets fanning the flames of over rating teams that bring in the most eyeballs and clicks, etc.
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Bama can lose to Georgia in the conference title and still get in IMO. Oregon could lose, but there also is a chance Cincy gets leap frogged by a team like Wake or Oklahoma. They really need every top 10 team to lose at least 1 more time, probably 2 more times.
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If Bama and Oregon lose, then it's most likely Georgia, B10 champ, B12 champ, and Cinci.
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I don’t disagree that is what it should be. But I think this first ranking shows that the committee doesn’t take Cincy seriously. Their resume is set, no wins from here on out improve their resume (if those @ ND and @ IU wins weren’t enough at this point to be considered top 4 now, beating SMU & winning the conference won’t vault them higher…)
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Cincy being on the outside looking in is great for so many reasons.
1. Anarchy - The Bearcat fans are pissed. They thought their situation was different from UCF's and I saw them distancing themselves from Knight fans on Twitter, but not looking that way now. They need to Unite, align, and overthrow.
2. Mike Aresco gets to complain and play "not mad" Mike again. Always a fun time.
3. F the new B12. My preference for all the schools joining is that they bring .500 or less records with them. I'll need a Cincy collapse at some point.
4. Lawsuit - Some day a G5 school will go all Blumenthal and sue. The drama for an outsider like me will be great.
I'd like to see Cincy continue to win for this year and maybe drop further out of the top 4. That would cause riots in Cincinnati.
Attica! Attica! Attica!
1. Anarchy - The Bearcat fans are pissed. They thought their situation was different from UCF's and I saw them distancing themselves from Knight fans on Twitter, but not looking that way now. They need to Unite, align, and overthrow.
2. Mike Aresco gets to complain and play "not mad" Mike again. Always a fun time.
3. F the new B12. My preference for all the schools joining is that they bring .500 or less records with them. I'll need a Cincy collapse at some point.
4. Lawsuit - Some day a G5 school will go all Blumenthal and sue. The drama for an outsider like me will be great.
I'd like to see Cincy continue to win for this year and maybe drop further out of the top 4. That would cause riots in Cincinnati.
Attica! Attica! Attica!
Alabama is a super strong team that can be anybody. They lost to A&M which is a mediocre team. Cincy can beat any Big10 team on any given day. They are built similarly. They probably couldn’t hang with Alabama except on an off day. Georgia would be a real tough go as well. The problem is there is no objective consistency. They want to pick who they want based on their opinions and cherry pick info. The thing is a proven sham.
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Just eliminate the committee all together by expanding the playoffs to at least 12 (10 conference champs and 2 at large). You want to play in the playoffs win your conference. Like literally every other GD level of football except the cartel known as D-IA
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Fortunately, Georgia is going to have a field day with Alabama which should knock them out of the playoffs.
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Your right as that is the only clear remedy. You have a big 10 guy heading it up, and somehow all these big 10 teams end up highly ranked vs other teams who have beat honestly better teams particularly in the OOC schedules. I'm not a ND fan at all, but how Michigan can be 3 spots better than ND when their only loss is to Cincy who is #2 in both coaches and ap poll is a head scratcher particularly given ND's sos is better. Another self padded proclamation that a loss to MSU is not really a big deal because all of the sudden MSU is great even though they have zero top 25 wins(outside of UM strangely enough). The Oregon selection is obviously an homage to Nike and/or a west coast inclusion and by the way it helps OSU's ranking as it makes their loss look less of a tilt. It's a beauty contest both for pr and more importantly money. ND would beat Michigan because their qb is bad, and Harbaugh is cursed.
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Here's all to need to remember the CFP will be the following
1. SEC #1
2. B1G #1
3. PAC #2
4. SEC #2
5. B1G #2 if its MSU
6. Cincinnati if they are undefeated.
To move up to #4, they need Bama to lose twice more, OSU to run the table and MSU and Michigan to lose another game and Oklahoma to lose another game.
The kick in the nuts will be #4 coming down to Cincy and ND and picking ND on SOS.
This is a full on 3 card monte system. You have to go undefeated, you need a good win, no you need to pass the eye test, no you don't play a tough enough schedule. No, we won't tell you how we evaluate your schedule. No, you didn't ein some meaningless game be a big enough margin and if none of that works. We just think (SEC Team) is a better team.
Cincy nearly beat GA last season. They have as much of a chance to win a 2 game playoff as the Atlanta Braves did on winning the WS. If they win out they have to be in this year or the entire thing is a sham.
(It's a sham)
1. SEC #1
2. B1G #1
3. PAC #2
4. SEC #2
5. B1G #2 if its MSU
6. Cincinnati if they are undefeated.
To move up to #4, they need Bama to lose twice more, OSU to run the table and MSU and Michigan to lose another game and Oklahoma to lose another game.
The kick in the nuts will be #4 coming down to Cincy and ND and picking ND on SOS.
This is a full on 3 card monte system. You have to go undefeated, you need a good win, no you need to pass the eye test, no you don't play a tough enough schedule. No, we won't tell you how we evaluate your schedule. No, you didn't ein some meaningless game be a big enough margin and if none of that works. We just think (SEC Team) is a better team.
Cincy nearly beat GA last season. They have as much of a chance to win a 2 game playoff as the Atlanta Braves did on winning the WS. If they win out they have to be in this year or the entire thing is a sham.
(It's a sham)
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CFP Committee: Loss to lousy Stamford team...NDB. Tight win against Tulsa...not CFP material.
They can't even keep their story straight.
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