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Roy Williams will forever be overrated. JC, I'm ok with where he is but have no doubt his building of the Husky program will be the best ever in college anything. He's only a slight step below K (maybe) and as Hooper said with his info, only because he had 10 years or so less than others in the "major" program. Starting at 44 yrs of age with a Yankee Conference program in the Big East and doing what he did will forever be the #1 build job ever! Not sure where that puts him on the list or if it even moves him up but it's a fact!
 
Respect among your coaching peers is important to these guys--Perhaps more than the media's opinions of your career.

Fact: Coach K has been quoted as saying Calhoun-coached teams were consistently among the toughest matchups he had in his career. Players on the floor and coaching on the sidelines.

Guessing JC is satisfied with that opinion over most others.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Couldn't disagree more. I agree that your level of "what ifs" is silly. Every person's, let alone coach's, career is shaped by hundreds of events. But when you rank coaches, you also have to recognize that college basketball programs aren't video games. You can't take control of Rider and make it a perennial top ten program. What Urban Meyer accomplished at Utah is probably more impressive than what he accomplished at Florida. So the only way to fairly measure coaches is not just to look at the bottom lines, but to look at where they accomplished it.
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I agree building a program up is a very worthwhile consideration, but the fact is that’s not looked at and weighed as much as wins, championships, players produced, league titles, etc. JC is certainly a much better coach in terms of philosophy and motivation than some that are higher on the list, but these lists go by accomplishments.
 
husky429 said:
I think Bob Knight and Roy are overrated. I can agree with Wooden, K, and probably Dean Smith.
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Really Knight’s easily in my top 5
The guy won at Army when it had a 6’4 or 5 height maximum.
He had some great players but certainly no where near the talent level of a later Wooden or Dean Smith. Ask Calhoun the coaches he would be most concerned with and it would be Knight and Wooden at their peak.
Knight created great teams with good players , that separates good from great coaches. Indiana has had one Big 10 title since he left
he had 10, 3 NC , 5-6 FF. He
lost in FF to UCLA and Walton who was unstoppable in college.
Calipari is not top ten and certainly not a better coach than Pitino. who got a mediocre PC team to FF.
Given equal talent and a few weeks of practice Rick‘s team either sweep or win 9 out of 10.
Calipari is top 10 snake oil salesmen BB coach no. Boeheim as much as I hate Cuse
Deserves some recognition I don’t know about top ten as I can name a bunch of great coaches and attaching numbers get fuzzy.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
I agree building a program up is a very worthwhile consideration, but the fact is that’s not looked at and weighed as much as wins, championships, players produced, league titles, etc. JC is certainly a much better coach in terms of philosophy and motivation than some that are higher on the list, but these lists go by accomplishments.
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You are asserting your criteria as if it is universally agreed upon. It isn't.

Building a program from scratch is an accomplishment that almost none of the other coaches have.

The problem with Wooden is that A) he cheated on a scale that would embarrass Calipari, and B) the format of college basketball was so different back then that it is hard to compare to today's game. Anyone that can't appreciate that is not intelligent enough to participate in this discussion.

"Who is the greatest coach of all time" is by definition a subjective analysis, since they didn't all get to coach in a tournament with exactly the same players. If we are going solely by numbers and nothing else matters, then Auriemma wins easily.
 
husky1bags said:
Huh so Reggie Lewis must've saw something in Calhoun to play for him at Northeastern. Don't know the story of Reggie Lewis recruiting someone fill me in please. Cause after that JC made run in Tournament and got to coach in this tiny fishbowl called Storrs.
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Reggie was the 6th man on the Dunbar team, Calhoun saw him early, offered, Reggie didn't sign, then got a lot of high major attention and Reggie went to NU because they'd be there from the beginning - something like that.

Was there when he was there - hell Fogel was my geology teacher - we'd play and and Reggie, Wes, Andre, Kevin would be playing at the same time in Cabot - was great to watch in that setting. I vaguely remember Reggie burnting the hell out of his hand cooking fries in West Apts. - but when I say vague it is vague.
 
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husky429 said:
I think Bob Knight and Roy are overrated. I can agree with Wooden, K, and probably Dean Smith.
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Knight is a curious case. I don’t put him top 10 but others might. He was very good and won championships with good talent he got to play great. But the last part of his career was more about histrionics than great basketball. I thought the game changed but he didn’t keep up.

Boeheim is a very good coach who lasted a long time. Not top 10 in my book though.

Don’t think he is top 10 but I would look at someone like Frank McGuire who won the NIT at St John’s when it was more prestigious and built UNC into a major power.

Roy is a great coach. He belongs. Same with Dean Smith. I think Wooden is #1 unquestionably. And unquestionably Iba. When Red Auerbach talks about how much he learned from you you kind of belong.

I’d put Phogg Allen there because he basically invented the job.

Calipari? Uh no! Pitino is another question. He is a terrific coach. Thought his best job was the year he brought a very eh PC team to the Final Four. But the slime is just too great and he had a title taken away for cheating. Gotta keep you off the list.

And really how you can not include Jay Wright is beyond me. Probably because he isn’t “colorful”. He just wins.
 
By any standard, Wooden is one of the biggest cheaters in history. His players received cash, cars, apartments, clothes, airline tickets and it's even alleged that one booster payed for abortions for players girlfriends. This allowed UCLA to buy the best players in the country.

Yes Wooden was a good coach and dispenser of folksy wisdom. But his teams won because they were far and away the most talented group of (bought and paid for) players in college basketball history.
 
Umami Zen said:
Respect among your coaching peers is important to these guys--Perhaps more than the media's opinions of your career.

Fact: Coach K has been quoted as saying Calhoun-coached teams were consistently among the toughest matchups he had in his career. Players on the floor and coaching on the sidelines.

Guessing JC is satisfied with that opinion over most others.
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Boeheim called JC building this program as the greatest coaching job in the history of college basketball.
 
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I think you guys are being unfair to Roy Williams. Since he came to UNC, he and K each won 3 national titles, but Williams won 9 ACC championships to 3 for K, and finished ahead of him in the standings 11 or of 18 seasons.
 
Friarsnoop said:
I think you guys are being unfair to Roy Williams. Since he came to UNC, he and K each won 3 national titles, but Williams won 9 ACC championships to 3 for K, and finished ahead of him in the standings 11 or of 18 seasons.
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IMO, Ol' Roy always took too much gruff. Dagnabit, he was a good coach!
 
Dean Wormer said:
Boeheim called JC building this program as the greatest coaching job in the history of college basketball.
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True and then he supposedly indicated that he didn't want UConn in the ACC.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
No way i put Squid and Nose pick ahead of Slick Rick and i have Rupp and Dean ahead of Knight. Calhoun and Knight are a toss up. I can see having either or ahead of the other. That being said no one in their right mind puts Calhoun #1 but he is without a doubt the #1 program build and has the greatest run to a title (2011) of all time. Prove me wrong.
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So I guess I am not in my right mind.
 
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Only Mark Few has come close to what Calhoun did among the Top 25 greatest coaches yet Few hasn't won a title (yet) and was at least provided a rudimentary blueprint from Don Monson. Calhoun through sheer talent and work ethic took a middling program and made it into a top 10 destination and added three titles on top of it. If this was baseball, it would be like the Cleveland Indians were contenders for 25 years and won three titles.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Only one i’d argue with is Bob Knight. Maybe could make an argument with Roy as well.
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I’d rank Big John Thompson and Rollie Massimino as coaches and teachers of the game over Boeheim and Roy Williams any day.
 
This list absolutely sucks, and anyone who thinks Roy Williams was a better college basketball coach than Jim Calhoun eats paste. I will accept K over Calhoun, but that's it. Wooden cheated his balls off, and everyone else put up a comparable career to Calhoun despite much better circumstances. Boeheim doesn't belong in the top 25 coaches of all-time, guy is a complete fraud.
 
Wooden has to be one and hate to say it but I would have Coach K and Calhoun 2a and 2b as they are both great.

I know some don't like Knight but he would be 4 and 5 would be Dean Smith
 
Ask any non Husky guy....Calhoun or K ?....and they would look at you to assess the leg pull...
 
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billybud said:
Ask any non Husky guy....Calhoun or K ?....and they would look at you to assess the leg pull...
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Aren’t you just some random Florida State fan who stumbled over here way back during conference realignment?

Nobody else has had a coach who was 2-0 against K in the Final Four. Maybe if they did, or had a real grasp of what JC built in Connecticut, the discussion wouldn’t go as you describe. That’s half the point we are collectively making here: even at 6, he is underrated. A true blue collar New Englander who didn’t come from Bob Knight’s coaching tree, who built everything he did from the dirt up.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
Aren’t you just some random Florida State fan who stumbled over here way back during conference realignment?

Nobody else has had a coach who was 2-0 against K in the Final Four. Maybe if they did, or had a real grasp of what JC built in Connecticut, the discussion wouldn’t go as you describe. That’s half the point we are collectively making here: even at 6, he is underrated. A true blue collar New Englander who didn’t come from Bob Knight’s coaching tree, who built everything he did from the dirt up.
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I get it that you are a Husky...and, in my statement I excepted UConn folks....but, it really is my belief that most folks would rank Coach K above Coach Calhoun.

I think my statement was a valid one....

Sure, K coached longer, but that is why folks rank him highly...

Tournament Game Wins
K.....94
C.....49

Final Four Appearances
K......12
C......4

Championships...
K.....5
C.....3

K...24 successive tournament appearances
........5 successive Final Fours

K also coached the US team to three Olympic gold medals and coached the teams that won two FIBA World Cups.
 
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K should be ahead. However, he had his own tv network at ESPN helping him recruit. No one else had that.
 
billybud said:
I get it that you are a Husky...and, in my statement I excepted UConn folks....but, it really is my belief that most folks would rank Coach K above Coach Calhoun.

I think my statement was a valid one....

Sure, K coached longer, but that is why folks rank him highly...

Tournament Game Wins
K.....94
C.....49

Final Four Appearances
K......12
C......4

Championships...
K.....5
C.....3

K...24 successive tournament appearances
........5 successive Final Fours

K also coached the US team to three Olympic gold medals and coached the teams that won two FIBA World Cups.
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what do you think successive means
 
billybud said:
I get it that you are a Husky...and, in my statement I excepted UConn folks....but, it really is my belief that most folks would rank Coach K above Coach Calhoun.

I think my statement was a valid one....

Sure, K coached longer, but that is why folks rank him highly...

Tournament Game Wins
K.....94
C.....49

Final Four Appearances
K......12
C......4

Championships
K.....5
C.....3

K...24 successive tournament appearances
........5 successive Final Fours
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We know the numbers. Including how Puke had been to four Final Fours (including one 2 years before he started) and two Championship game appearances before K showed up. He was coaching that program at 33 while JC was about half way through his tenure at Northeastern; and when he was sitting at the end of Bob Knight’s bench, JC was in year 3 at northeastern.

One coach had a silver spoon and didn’t screw it up; the other built a top 5 program from truly nothing. They have similar winning percentages in the final four and JC is 2-0 head to head. So if we are talking “who do you want to…” build a program? Win one game? It’s not as crazy a discussion as you implied (yit yit you pullin my leg, Skeeter?) when parties are capable of looking past raw numbers. But sure, if the analysis stops at just numbers, there isn’t too much of a debate in that arena.
 
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