CBS Sports Top 30 Wings

[OneManWolfpack]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ngs-barnes-an-ace-but-vandy-has-terrific-pair

 

[huskiesNhoos]

No arguing that Barnes is a good player, but the kid seems way overrated to me...he didn't come on until late last year and it wasn't like he didnt have a supporting cast to take the pressure off early on. Even when he did start living up to some of the hype I didn't think he was ungodly good...ya he's a definite lottery pick, but I just don't see him on another level like everyone seems to be talking about

And Rivers in head of Lamb?!?! the kid hasn't played a single college bball game, while Lamb has already shown that he can be the go to guy on a national championship team...I don't think there should be any debate here...

 

[Walker11]

Barnes is good but no where close to the Nba superstar people thought he was. He is not an explosive athlete and has a very loose handle. Give me Lamb.

 

[gibhunter]

Lamb should be behind Barnes. Barnes has proven himself and is unquestionably great player and a go-to guy. Lamb needs to prove that he can be a go-to guy. Still he should be ahead of Rivers. That's laughable that he is behind him.

 

[Sportsman5]

I am a huge fan of dock rivers, but his son is a bit of a cocky ******* and over-rated.

 

[Walker11]

I agree that Barnes should be ranked above Lamb preseason since Lamb is more unproven, Barnes is just overrated

 

[aceboon]

Yea I don't see Barnes being all that much better, if at all, than Luol Deng in the NBA. Very good player in the league but not the franchise level wing he was being hyped up to be coming out of HS. Carmelo isn't even a franchise player and Barnes isn't anywhere near that level.

 

[jfuchs91]

Jeremy Lamb is going to surprise some people this year.... People know he's good, but I don't think the national media knows just HOW good he is. He's going to be one of the top scorers in all of college basketball this year.

 

[61cygni]

Prediction: Rivers will be the most-hated Dukie since Laettner.

 

[DogMania]

There's your Buffalo wings. Your terriaki wings....hey I'm a bit punchy right now waiting in the doggy emergency room as our mini Schnauzer gets stitched up.

 

[Scot-e]

Prediction: Rivers will be the most-hated Dukie since Laettner.

What are we basing him not living up to his hype on? Everything we have heard is that the kid is a player and a top 5 lottery pick. (If it is because he is gay- I think you would be a bit out of line- gay people should not be discounted because of their sexual orientation. Dook as a team seems to get bumped up 2-3 spots every year and they are full of gay white boys).

 

[61cygni]

Where did I say anything about living up to hype or how good he would be? He will be hated regardless of where he ends up on the basketball skills spectrum, from Paulus to Laettner.

 

[Dogdeacon]

What are we basing him not living up to his hype on? Everything we have heard is that the kid is a player and a top 5 lottery pick. (If it is because he is gay- I think you would be a bit out of line- gay people should not be discounted because of their sexual orientation. Dook as a team seems to get bumped up 2-3 spots every year and they are full of gay white boys).

I'm confused, who are you saying is gay - Laettner or Rivers?

On a serious note, I don't understand what position Rivers plays in high school/college/NBA. He is 6'4" right? Maybe big enough for an NBA shooting guard, but certainly not a wing. And isn't it still unknown if he's a PG or SG in college? I had assumed Rivers would play PG at Dook since Curry is a SG, but maybe like his brother people think Seth has to play PG to make it in the NBA even though his brother has somewhat disproven that hypothesis (even though he's playing PG with Monte Ellis many think he should be SG and there's been a ton of rumors about Ellis being traded). However I can see support for continuing the hypothesis since Stephen Curry just has a knack/gift for scoring the ball that his brother though a good shooter doesn't possess. Nonetheless, I didn't see anything from Seth Curry that would lead me to believe he is a PG whereas I thought that's what Rivers did in high school??

 

[aceboon]

this board is seriously weird as hell when it comes to understanding what a wing is. A wing is a SG/SF, Rivers is a SG at the next level, and will play SG in college and SF as well when they go to 3 guard sets. Its why Jeremy is also included in the wing group because he plays SG/SF. On CBS Sports there isn't a top 30 list for SGs, then a top 30 for SFs, just wings(SG & SF combined)

 

[ctchamps]

this board is seriously weird as hell when it comes to understanding what a wing is. A wing is a SG/SF, Rivers is a SG at the next level, and will play SG in college and SF as well when they go to 3 guard sets. Its why Jeremy is also included in the wing group because he plays SG/SF. On CBS Sports there isn't a top 30 list for SGs, then a top 30 for SFs, just wings(SG & SF combined)

I don't know if we're weird because of our confusion about the definition of the wing player.

But I won't argue with you we are weird as hell.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

On CBS Sports there isn't a top 30 list for SGs, then a top 30 for SFs, just wings(SG & SF combined)

If that's true, then where is Roscoe Smith and Deandre Daniels? It's almost as if there are too many good players on UConn, so they're taking away each other's votes.

 

[aceboon]

I love Roscoe but based on last season he does not deserve to be listed as top 30 wing in the country. As for DeAndre he's not even slated to start right now and even though people do know how talented he is he's kind of a mystery because of his recruitment and the fact that he was tucked away at IMG last year.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

When did this happen? How did I miss it?

Barnes has proven himself and is unquestionably great player and a go-to guy.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It's a joke to have Johnson-Odom ranked lower than some of these kids.

 

[Sportsman5]

this board is seriously weird as hell when it comes to understanding what a wing is. A wing is a SG/SF, Rivers is a SG at the next level, and will play SG in college and SF as well when they go to 3 guard sets. Its why Jeremy is also included in the wing group because he plays SG/SF. On CBS Sports there isn't a top 30 list for SGs, then a top 30 for SFs, just wings(SG & SF combined)

The reason it's confusing is because in my experience people have addressed the position of small forward as wing when discussing a lineup. For example, SN is starting at point, JL is starting at two guard, RS will start at wing to begin the year, and AO and AD will start up front. Now that I think about it, I believe that people involved with the NBA are more distinctive in calling the 3 the wing. I know it officially includes the 2 and 3. However, I can't think of a time when someone referred to the 2 as wing, then said the 3 as small forward. However, I have heard the reverse countless times like my example above. Again, it happens much more in NBA circles than NCAA. I follow both leagues closely, but have watched a lot more NBA games.

 

[DogMania]

this board is seriously weird as hell when it comes to understanding what a wing is. A wing is a SG/SF, Rivers is a SG at the next level, and will play SG in college and SF as well when they go to 3 guard sets. Its why Jeremy is also included in the wing group because he plays SG/SF. On CBS Sports there isn't a top 30 list for SGs, then a top 30 for SFs, just wings(SG & SF combined)

The definition of a wing is not consistently defined. Sometimes the 2Gs and SFs are combined but often they are split out.

Depending on the system, their roles can be eerily similar or quite dissimilar. In JC's system, there's not that much of a difference other than the bigger of the two defends the opposing team's SF, has more rebounding responsibilities on offense and plays below the foul line more often than the 2G.

I like it when they split them out though giving you two pools of players to rank. But it does pose a problem where to list 2/3 combos such as Lamb.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I love Roscoe but based on last season he does not deserve to be listed as top 30 wing in the country.

In that case, you are punishing Roscoe for having accepted a role on his team that does not feature scoring as part of the role. Roscoe came to UConn very raw on offense, but with some tremendous growth potential in that area. I suspect we're gonna see much more of that potential this year. Despite that Roscoe has been called a defensive specialist somewhat jokingly by his teammates, he makes enough plays that win ballgames to deserve a top 30 wing ranking.

 

[DogMania]

When did this happen? How did I miss it?

I didn't see much of his play during the NCAAs but during the 2nd half of his ACC season, he came up huge for the heals. Early on I said the idiotic thing that he was way overrated. He really put it together in the second half. He's no second coming of Kevin Durant. He's more smooth than athletic, but is an elite jump-shooter that has the length to get it off easily. He's going to have an excellent season, but I think he's just going to be a very good pro, not a great one. He reminds me of a poor-man's Tracy McGrady. Maybe he'll be as good, but he seems to lack the power that you see with the elite wings like Kobe. Hum...maybe if he develops a better handle he can develop into a Paul Pierce type player. I just haven't seen that yet, but then again, I thought he was overrated early last season, so he'll probably prove me wrong yet again.

 

[DogMania]

Lamb should be behind Barnes. Barnes has proven himself and is unquestionably great player and a go-to guy. Lamb needs to prove that he can be a go-to guy. Still he should be ahead of Rivers. That's laughable that he is behind him.

I think both proved they were go-to-guys last season. Lamb hit a bunch of huge late game shots and probably would have had more if he didn't happen to play beside on of the best winning time scorers of all time.

IMO, Lamb has a more versatile game, while Barnes was a better shooter. Would I be shocked if Lamb has a better season than Barnes and outplays him? No! Is Barnes more hyped because of his rep coming out of HS and because he plays for the Heals? Yes!

I don't have a problem with Barnes ranked higher. Like it or not, many voters weigh NBA potential high and many see Barnes' skill set as a good match for the NBA. It's not where there they start of that's important, but where they're ranked when it's all said and done. I'll be very happy to see Barnes with his POY trophy while Lamb and his teammates are holding up the National Championship, and maybe Lamb holding up the F4 Most Outstanding Player trophy as well.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Barnes has a beautiful stroke, dare I say almost Ray Allen-esque. His size is prototype NBA small forward. He also handles the ball very well for his size. These are all offensive skills. He's not much of a defender and is only an OK rebounder, but the media doesn't care about those things.