CBS Sports: Ranking top 25 college basketball programs of last 25 years

[auror]

Something that hasn't been said yet. I'll swallow the Duke leg humping here....but Kansas ahead of us? Really? Make the case for me there. They're a perennial postseason choke artist. And, for what it's worth, this list puts way too much value on win totals. Okay, Duke has 720 wins, Kansas has 717 and we have 590 over the last 25 years. 720 - 590 / 25 is 5 more wins a year. Who knows how many cupcakes are in those totals? I'd like to see conference wins over 25 years. If the gap was still that big, I'll concede the point.

Considering Kansas has 28 league and tournament championships in the 25 years, I'm pretty sure the gap would just be bigger in conference wins.

That's the argument for Kansas over UConn. 2 titles, the same number of final fours in the span, and a bazillion more league titles and wins - 18 MORE league titles in the timeframe.

 

[HuskyHawk]

No they haven't.

The Yankees have missed the playoffs 5 times in the last 25 years, the Red Sox have missed the playoffs 13 times in the past 25 years. The Yankees have lost the World Series 3 times, the Red Sox haven't lost a World Series. The Red Sox have taken advantage of their opportunities more than the Yankees who have been consistently better over the seasons than the Red Sox have. UConn has won even more times than the Red Sox have and they've also been there and not won unlike the Red Sox, again this is in comparison to Kansas. It's actually the best comparison I can make between different sports for this kind of sports discussion and the teams match up perfectly in terms of the teams we follow and root for. For some reason you always hold UConn to a different standard than your other teams, "Kansas and the Red Sox.: I find it really strange and wonder why that is

UConn has clearly been better than Kansas over the past 25 years. The Red Sox have clearly been better than the Yankees have been over the past 25 years but the gap is less there. I'm a UConn and Yankees fan. It's not difficult for me to admit the Red Sox superiority during that time frame. I've alway wondered why that's difficult for you to admit UConn's superiority over Kansas. It makes me question who you are actually a fan of.

Your last sentence is silly. I've always been UConn first. 34k posts here and I think maybe 3 ever on the Kansas board.

I don't agree that the Sox have been clearly better over the last 25 years. I don't agree that UConn has been clearly better over the same stretch. I think it's close and arguable in both cases. I think the Yankees situation is colored by the fact that one of those championships was back in 2000, coming off a dominant run, and the other was 15 years ago. Kansas has been much better lately than the Yankees have, and had the best team in the Covid cancelled year as well.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Considering Kansas has 28 league and tournament championships in the 25 years, I'm pretty sure the gap would just be bigger in conference wins.

That's the argument for Kansas over UConn. 2 titles, the same number of final fours in the span, and a bazillion more league titles and wins - 18 MORE league titles in the timeframe.

The good news is that UConn is now performing with similar consistency. Not winning the league so much, but having a "down year" be what we saw last year. If Hurley can continue that, it's something even Calhoun didn't quite manage. Nothing will move us up in rankings like this one more than always being a top 20 or so team and always getting into the tournament. This whole "disrespect" thing will be short lived. We should be a 1-2 seed this year I hope. Just keep winning and don't worry about it.

 

[superjohn]

Your last sentence is silly. I've always been UConn first. 34k posts here and I think maybe 3 ever on the Kansas board.

I don't agree that the Sox have been clearly better over the last 25 years. I don't agree that UConn has been clearly better over the same stretch. I think it's close and arguable in both cases. I think the Yankees situation is colored by the fact that one of those championships was back in 2000, coming off a dominant run, and the other was 15 years ago. Kansas has been much better lately than the Yankees have, and had the best team in the Covid cancelled year as well.

"The Sox have been way more consistent than UConn." "Kansas has been much better lately than the Yankees have."

The Red Sox have missed the playoffs 5 of the last 6 seasons and had some losing record seasons the past 6 seasons since winning the World Series. In no way is that more consistent than what UConn has done.

You consistently take these swipes at UConn and always defend the honor of your other favorite teams.

Kansas won it once in the last 13 years and has a vacated final four. Yankees were in the World Series last season and have made the playoffs 7 of the past 8 seasons with several ALCS's. Kansas hasn't been much better lately than the Yankees have.

 

[Scrutineer]

“Nobody gives much credence to the titles won before 1969.” Count me among the nobodies.

UCLA won four titles in five years (‘64, ‘65, ‘67, ‘68 ) with a combined record of 117-3.

How could I forget the early part of the UCLA dynasty? Plus, a poor choice of words.

What I was trying to say was there was nowhere near the attention paid to the NCAA tournament before the broadcasts went national in 1969. It was syndicated before that (beginning in 1963) and didn't have the interest nor the exposure it receives today.

Texas El Paso (its name then) beating Kentucky helped bring interest and then the dominance by UCLA in the late 60's may have been what drove NBC to televise the championship nationally for the first time in 1969.

I actually rooted for UCLA when they were on the 7 year roll, and paid attention to them as well as UConn beginning with the recruitment of Lew Alcindor...........thinking before he committed to UCLA that UConn had a chance!



We were naive during the 60's and 70's, not funding the athletic programs to the extent other schools did, and yet some of us always believed we could be champions someday.

 

[Scrutineer]

This list is even worse...

Projecting top 25 college basketball programs of next 25 years: Teams set for most long-term success - CBSSports.com Projecting top 25 college basketball programs of next 25 years: Teams set for most long-term success

The author worked hard to justify some predictions that make little sense.

 

[Scrutineer]

Considering Kansas has 28 league and tournament championships in the 25 years, I'm pretty sure the gap would just be bigger in conference wins.

That's the argument for Kansas over UConn. 2 titles, the same number of final fours in the span, and a bazillion more league titles and wins - 18 MORE league titles in the timeframe.

I never paid much attention to the Big12, so help me out. Haven't many of those 18 titles been won in a league that hasn't been all that deep?

 

[RuffRuff]

I never paid much attention to the Big12, so help me out. Haven't many of those 18 titles been won in a league that hasn't been all that deep?

Yup. Hasn't been such an easy road for them since they expanded with Houston & AZ.

• Baylor
• Iowa State
• Kansas
• Kansas State
• Oklahoma
• Oklahoma State
• TCU
• Texas
• Texas Tech
• West Virginia

 

[HuskyHawk]

I never paid much attention to the Big12, so help me out. Haven't many of those 18 titles been won in a league that hasn't been all that deep?

Not really. It's super deep now with Houston and Arizona. But since 2000, OU, UT, OSU, TT, Baylor all made final fours in addition to Kansas. Iowa State had an Elite 8 in 2000 and three Sweet 16s. WVU was in the Big East when it made a final four in 2010.

Not as strong as the old pre-raid Big East but stronger then than the Big East is now. Probably behind the ACC and Big Ten in that era and ahead of the SEC and Pac of that era.