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Catch the ball in the end zone. Kneel down. Go to the 25.

DaveHuskiesFan said:
Skanes is ranked 34th in the nation in return yards.
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JMick said:
it's hard to catch the ball in the end zone when it's coming down at the 2 or 3 yard line.

we are one of the best kickoff return units in the country. stop finding stupid things to complain about and go take a nap
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Yeah, throw away the yards. Good insight. Thanks.

Where is Skanes ranked in yards per run? Heck, as many chances as UConn gets to return kicks, I could pile up the yards.

Think harder.
 
Palatine said:
Yeah, throw away the yards. Good insight. Thanks.

Where is Skanes ranked in yards per run? Heck, as many chances as UConn gets to return kicks, I could pile up the yards.

Think harder.
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we're in the 75th percentile for starting field position after a kickoff.
 
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JMick said:
....are you that stupid? if you catch the ball at the five, that puts you on the 30. you're acting like every kick has gone into the end zone. it's not remotely true.
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Are you that stupid? Catching the ball at the five is NOT catching the ball in the end zone.

Good grief, read my post.
 
Palatine said:
Are you that stupid? Catching the ball at the five is NOT catching the ball in the end zone.

Good grief, read my post.
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We have taken the ball out of the end zone what, 5 times this year?
 
Palatine said:
How many times do we need to see the ball run out of the end zone to the 15 or 20 yard line before someone realizes we are losing 5 to 10 yards on virtually every kick off return?
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You expect too much. A functioning brain isn't a requirement to play.

Another question to ask: do running backs have to take it up the middle into a pile of bodies for a one yard gain when there are no defenders on either side of the pile?

In baseball, why do runners on second base get halfway to third base on a fly ball to the right field warning track when they could easily tag up and advance to third after the catch?
 
JMick said:
it's hard to catch the ball in the end zone when it's coming down at the 2 or 3 yard line.

we are one of the best kickoff return units in the country, 75th percentile. stop finding stupid things to complain about and go take a nap
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Palatine said:
How many times do we need to see the ball run out of the end zone to the 15 or 20 yard line before someone realizes we are losing 5 to 10 yards on virtually every kick off return?
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I agree with you 100%. Then more than not you add in a penalty and your starting inside your 10. Even when they kick it short of the end zone, let it go, as soon as it crosses the goal line it's a touch back. Take the 25 yard line every time.
 
Redding Husky said:
You expect too much. A functioning brain isn't a requirement to play.

Another question to ask: do running backs have to take it up the middle into a pile of bodies for a one yard gain when there are no defenders on either side of the pile?

In baseball, why do runners on second base get halfway to third base on a fly ball to the right field warning track when they could easily tag up and advance to third after the catch?
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Because if the ball drops they are scoring. If the ball is caught and they go back to second and there are two outs.. they are scoring on a basehit just as easily as if they were on third since with 2 outs they are running on contact. :) When there are no outs, runners tag at 2nd for deep flies to right. I'm guessing this part of your post was rhetorical though... :-(
 
Palatine said:
How many times do we need to see the ball run out of the end zone to the 15 or 20 yard line before someone realizes we are losing 5 to 10 yards on virtually every kick off return?
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Most of the kickoffs by UCF did not make it to the endzone.
 
HuskyBandDad said:
Most of the kickoffs by UCF did not make it to the endzone.
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True, but a couple did. And I don't think we made it to the 25 when we ran it out.

If it is short of the goal line you have to catch it and run. Too much can go wrong if you let it drop.

I don't have stats on it but I have watched a lot of games this year and I have noticed that beating the 25 on a kick into the end zone is a poor bet.
 
Hamms30 said:
Because if the ball drops they are scoring. If the ball is caught and they go back to second and there are two outs.. they are scoring on a basehit just as easily as if they were on third since with 2 outs they are running on contact. :) When there are no outs, runners tag at 2nd for deep flies to right. I'm guessing this part of your post was rhetorical though... :-(
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With no outs and the right fielder camped under the ball on or near the warning track, I think the runner on second should tag up. I still see many in that situation go halfway to third and they have to come back to second, not taking the extra base. Now there's one out and they're still in second.

I see it very frequently and I want to throw something at the TV.
 
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ATLDYKA said:
I agree with you 100%. Then more than not you add in a penalty and your starting inside your 10. Even when they kick it short of the end zone, let it go, as soon as it crosses the goal line it's a touch back. Take the 25 yard line every time.
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That's not true. A kick off that travels more than 10 yards is a live ball. If the other team recovers it in the endzone it is a touchdown.
 
Husky25 said:
That's not true. A kick off that travels more than 10 yards is a live ball. If the other team recovers it in the endzone it is a touchdown.
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There was a play in a game I was watching (maybe even our game?) where the ball was kicked near the sideline around 15. The return team was just kinda putsing toward it but the kicking team almost grabbed it. The returner was completely oblivious. Luckily for them it went out of bounds before the kicking team grabbed it.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
There was a play in a game I was watching (maybe even our game?) where the ball was kicked near the sideline around 15. The return team was just kinda putsing toward it but the kicking team almost grabbed it. The returner was completely oblivious. Luckily for them it went out of bounds before the kicking team grabbed it.
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Dare I say that the only circumstance where the ball should intentionally be let go on a kickoff is far outside the numbers near the goal line.

Other than that there is too much to think about, least of which is whether the returner"s feet are on the goal line, on the 2, or 2 yards deep.
 
Husky25 said:
That's not true. A kick off that travels more than 10 yards is a live ball. If the other team recovers it in the endzone it is a touchdown.
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NCAA Rule 6, Article 7.

Ball Dead in End Zone
ARTICLE 7(a)When a free kick untouched by Team B touches the ground on
or behind Team B’s goal line, the ball becomes dead and belongs to Team B.
 
This has been an issue for years. I remember Newsome getting hyped for his total yardage numbers as a frosh when most of it came from returning KO's to the 21 yard line. And yes, it is funny that someone disagreeing with this take doesn't even know the freaking rule.
 
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Excalibur said:
NCAA Rule 6, Article 7.

Ball Dead in End Zone
ARTICLE 7(a)When a free kick untouched by Team B touches the ground on
or behind Team B’s goal line, the ball becomes dead and belongs to Team B.
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Interesting. Didn't know there was a difference in this regard between the NFL vs. NCAA.

On the other hand, should the returner really be expected to take their eyes off the ball to determine where they are standing? What if the ball doesn't roll into the endzone? Oblong balls take funny bounces on uneven turf comprised of grass & dirt. Still too much to contemplate in a couple seconds timeframe.
 
Husky25 said:
Interesting. Didn't know there was a difference in this regard between the NFL vs. NCAA.

On the other hand, should the returner really be expected to take their eyes off the ball to determine where they are standing? What if the ball doesn't roll into the endzone? Oblong balls take funny bounces on uneven turf comprised of grass & dirt. Still too much to contemplate in a couple seconds timeframe.
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There are two guys deep. It's the job of the man who is not catching the ball to tell the player receiving the ball if he is in the end zone.
 
Interesting conversation for thought.....but the thought of not returning kicks makes me think of.........I don't even want to say his name.....far too much.....
 
Palatine said:
There are two guys deep. It's the job of the man who is not catching the ball to tell the player receiving the ball if he is in the end zone.
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Yup and there is theoretically the width of a grass blade between the endzone and the live field of play. So that is one more piece of information that must be disseminated while the ball is in the air.

Just for ha-ha's I took some time to look at the play by plays. It's quick and dirty, but by my count, there were 7 kickoff returns out of 68 (giver or take) that could have been touchbacks, but returned for less than 25 yards (UVA, ECU. SMU, TEM, and 3 vs. UCF.)

25 were touchbacks.

11 traveled the requisite 65 yards, but were returned beyond the 25 yard line (I.e. positive play).

25 did not reach the endzone and could not be downed, so the yard line to where they were returned is irrelevant, but it looks like another 7 did not reach the 25.

So what are we talking about here? 7 chances to start at the 25 vs. one broke tackle on any one of them would have potentially sprung the returner?

To me the returner (be it Skanes, Buss, whoever) generally made the correct decision.
 
Husky25 said:
That's not true. A kick off that travels more than 10 yards is a live ball. If the other team recovers it in the endzone it is a touchdown.
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Not in college or high school. That’s an NFL rule.
 
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