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you can throw shade at all you want but If any one matched her output then we would had a better chance of winning.We relied on freshmen to win last year and how did that work out. If we're relying on freshmen again then we'll have the same results. This loss is on the EV and JD a senior and junior who only showed up to the game but not ready to play and produce. and to a lesser degree NM and AE sophomores who have take a step backwards and aren"t consistent yet but a junior and a senior have no excuses.
 
Jletoile said:
Before the Oregon game, CD shot .347 from 3, on 17-49 shooting. That's exactly .020 points higher than Christyn, who has shot 17-52, for .327.

Yet, some fans seem to think CD, now at .316, is a better/much better long-range shooter.
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The difference being that Caroline has won several 3 point competitions and we have 4 years of data indicating that Chrystin will never be a great 3 point shooter. The free throw shooting is also an indicator. We have a very small sample size with Caroline but indications are she can shoot.
 
I think Nika can shoot 3's but she needs to get a groove and she's not got it yet. I'm not a big supporter but she does have every opportunity to work on her game and become a lights out 3 point shooter and get more PT.
 
TeamFirst! said:
I think Nika can shoot 3's but she needs to get a groove and she's not got it yet. I'm not a big supporter but she does have every opportunity to work on her game and become a lights out 3 point shooter and get more PT.
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She needs to desperately add some offensive threat to her game if she wants to be a successful PG. Right now, teams are just laying off her and double-teaming the post or the perimeter. They're letting her shoot the 3. It doesnt have to be the 3. She could learn how to drive and a knock down a short jumper, for example. She just needs to keep the defense honest & be able to kickout to an open CD or Paige .
 
LoboDays said:
What happens if CD’s star continues to brighten and she becomes a true star? And Azzi turns out to be as great as we hope she is? Then when Paige returns, do we have CW and EW riding the pines? One can only wonder.
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No
 
I'm with Caroline every step of the way. There are big things (and plenty of 3s) in her future. I'll be very surprised if her name isn't up on the wall when her career here is said and done.
 
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fan4eva said:
you can throw shade at all you want but If any one matched her output then we would had a better chance of winning.We relied on freshmen to win last year and how did that work out. If we're relying on freshmen again then we'll have the same results. This loss is on the EV and JD a senior and junior who only showed up to the game but not ready to play and produce. and to a lesser degree NM and AE sophomores who have take a step backwards and aren"t consistent yet but a junior and a senior have no excuses.
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If you meant DJ (Dorka Juhasz), she is a Grad Student. I am guessing that you meant Evina Westbrook with your EV reference.
I don't agree with your point that Dorka was not ready to play, this was just another game where we were unable to get her the ball when she was open, either when inside or away from the basket. Seems to be a constant problem but the Duck's zone defense didn't help.
 
CD has done a hell of good job thus far since PB went out.

She is scoring and now is counted on to score. She is looking to score and as a result, has taken some bad shots, etc as you would expect out of any player. But the team needs her to score and that is a lot different than taking a back seat and sitting at the three point line, receiving a pass after somebody else broke down the defense and then having a wide open 3. She is not getting that at all. Teams are also focusing on her. She has to look for and get her shot off a lot more quickly and under duress and hence she has missed more.

But she has some serious confidence and after a few games as a freshman is averaging 17-18 points since PB went down. Shooting it at about 40-45% overall, I would guess. I'll take that.

She will get better and her 3 point shooting will get a lot better when our better players get back and she can settle in as a third option. Her shooting is of no concern to me. I worry a bit about her quickness on defense but not her shooting...that will come around...no doubt in my mind.
 
Here are the OR highlights for Caroline and Liv. Caroline has some really elegant moves.

 
Centerstream said:
If you meant DJ (Dorka Juhasz), she is a Grad Student. I am guessing that you meant Evina Westbrook with your EV reference.
I don't agree with your point that Dorka was not ready to play, this was just another game where we were unable to get her the ball when she was open, either when inside or away from the basket. Seems to be a constant problem but the Duck's zone defense didn't help.
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wasn't the report on Dorka that she's a threat from the post and perimeter who can stretch the floor who's good rebounder and passer ..in 25 min she was 5 points on 2 for 6 shooting, 0 assist and 4 rebounds..and to your point she's a grad student?
 
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Jletoile said:
Before the Oregon game, CD shot .347 from 3, on 17-49 shooting. That's exactly .020 points higher than Christyn, who has shot 17-52, for .327.

Yet, some fans seem to think CD, now at .316, is a better/much better long-range shooter.
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Would you bet on those percentages not getting farther apart by Mach? (In Caroline’s favor)
 
What people are missing ( I think ) is that Oregon packed the middle since we couldn't buy a jump shot. We have to shoot better to open up the inside game. It's a testament to Liv that she did as well as she did. It was mainly taking the ball to the basket on the dribble though right? It was tough to get the ball to them for post moves.
 
Lets not ruin CD. What I mean is, right now she is our best outside option to score. I applaud her for being aggressive and trying to lead us to victory. Unfortunately, she is taking many ill-advised shots, something she will have to change when Paige comes back. The problem is that nobody else seems to want to step up, so CD is taking the mantel and putting up shots to try to will this team to victory. This may never change, so the other guards, Nika, Christyn, and especially Evena have to get their head out of their a-s and start producing. CD can be a great scorer for us, but she has to be disciplined to shoot when she is open and not force shots just to get them up. She is a freshman, so we don't want her to pick up bad habits just because the other guards are too passive to help her out. We are lucky to have her, so when Paige comes back, we should be in great shape, but in the meantime the others have to show up and contribute to take some of the pressure off. We will never succeed until this happens.
 
I give it a head shake and eye roll. My memory/recollection is that Caroline is doing "everything" that BYers have been saying players need to do to be contribuers to the team, the program, and advancement of their BB careers.

Somehow, Caroline doing it makes I wrong? Perhaps we have BYears who think that if "THEY" haven't endorsed/anointed a player, somehow they aren't equipped and don't qualify. It doesn't matter what they do . . . It's wrong.

I think I'm in the camp of who wants it enough to step up and take it. Deserves it. Hello Caroline

All I got to say is " Go Big Caroline! Take yourself to the TOP!"
 
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HuskyNan said:
I can’t believe people are throwing shade at Caroline for her shooting against Oregon. Yes, she was 1-8 from three but she was 9-13 from two with slashes to the basket, fast break points, jumpers, and that underhand flip shot that I haven’t seen a Husky make consistently since Maya graduated. Caroline can create her own shot, something that Paige can do, maybe Azzi, but no one else.

The kid is a freshman who just played her 12th college game. She is also, suddenly, a focus of the opponent’s defense, like Liv. While Caroline’s scoring hasn’t suffered due to the double teams and added attention, her shooting percentage has. That’s youth. In a year or two, she’ll learn how to use the defender’s aggressiveness to draw some fouls and get to the line - where she’s 85% from the FT line.

One more thing about the missed threes. She HAS to shoot those or else there will be 4 defenders on Liv in the paint. Opposing coaches know she’s a threat from the perimeter and has to be guarded. That adds real value to the team. Keep shooting, Caroline!
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And she is a freshman whom no one expected to have these responsibilities this early ( i.e. starting guard and leading scoring threat ). We hope AZZI can create her own shot. We hope she is a complete player like Paige and Caroline. It will not do if her only contribution is to drain threes when she is given an open shot. We have good reason to believe that the number one recruit in the nation will " have it all." But that is not guaranteed.
 
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Azzi was a better player before the foot injury. There is a real good chance we will have one of the best college backcourts in history the next couple of years. We all are hoping for a full recovery for Azzi and we should be confident it will occur.
 
Longtime fan said:
And she is a freshman whom no one expected to have these responsibilities this early ( i.e. starting guard and leading scoring threat ). We hope AZZI can create her own shot. We hope she is a complete player like Paige and Caroline. It will not do if her only contribution is to drain threes when she is given an open shot. We have good reason to believe that the number one recruit in the nation will " have it all." But that is not guaranteed.
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At this point, if all we got from Azzi was good 3 point shooting, I’d be good with that. With Azzi, Caroline, and Christyn on the perimeter, it will take the heat off of Liv, Dorka, and Aaliyah.
 
Longtime fan said:
And she is a freshman whom no one expected to have these responsibilities this early ( i.e. starting guard and leading scoring threat ). We hope AZZI can create her own shot. We hope she is a complete player like Paige and Caroline. It will not do if her only contribution is to drain threes when she is given an open shot. We have good reason to believe that the number one recruit in the nation will " have it all." But that is not guaranteed.
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Sure, we all hope Azzi is a “complete player”! However, let’s say she ends up being KML2 and shoots threes at 50% and breaks the record for threes. Would any of us be disappointed? I certainly wouldn’t! Either way, she would be a tremendous weapon for our team!
 
Azzi was one of the best players on USA basketball. No doubt that injury has affected her though. You could see it in her last USA basketball stint. She's been hurt for a while. If she's healthy she will clearly be a major asset.
 
Until we can get healthy and reconstitute our offensive strategy (and actually execute it), I think it's pretty obvious that we are up the creek.
Right now Caroline Ducharme is the paddle.
She shouldn't be...others should be reaching inside for something extra (see Liv)....but they ain't so far.
I believe that Geno has given her a green light to shoot whenever she thinks she can make it go in. Some shots will be better than others.
Anything Azzi or CW or EW or NM can do to at least distract defenses a little bit would be most helpful.
If & when Paige returns 100%, a confident, seasoned Caroline Ducharme who isn't afraid to shoot won't gum up the works.
IMHO
 
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sun said:
If CW went 1-8 from 3 then she would get slammed, but since it's Caroline then that's okay, all understandable and excuses are made.
Double standards simply don't compute.
No excuses, the stat speaks for itself.
Caroline is great, but Geno said the loss was due to poor guard play and too many turnovers.
We can't trade baskets with an opponent if we turn the ball over too much which contributes to the margin of loss in the end.
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CW is a SENIOR and a NUMBER 1 recruit. Caroline is a FRESHMAN and not close to 1 as she was recruited. That's a huge difference. 8 games or less of experience VS 140 or so for CW. I'm sure you are seeing the Apples and tractor trailer comparison!! We expect, rightly so, more from CW.
 
Ball n said:
So, you are not greedy. I'll take 6 more and 2 dozen Paige--as long as I'm ordering. Who caters this joint?
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I don't think God can fill that order. Hasn't yet. ;)
 
Ball n said:
CW is a SENIOR and a NUMBER 1 recruit. Caroline is a FRESHMAN and not close to 1 as she was recruited. That's a huge difference. 8 games or less of experience VS 140 or so for CW. I'm sure you are seeing the Apples and tractor trailer comparison!! We expect, rightly so, more from CW.
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They should not be held to different standards, and I don't think they would be if they were both starting in the tourney or a NC game.
Win or lose, they do it as a team.
They wouldn't be able to get to the FF without each other contributing.
Right now, we all realize just how important CW is.
Neither CW nor Caroline are good enough to beat the ranked teams without each other contributing, plus the rest of the team.
There's not a lot of room for error by anyone unless we suddenly develop some excess scoring capacity with Paige and Azzi playing.
It's a long storm alright.
 
Inthepaint said:
Until we can get healthy and reconstitute our offensive strategy (and actually execute it), I think it's pretty obvious that we are up the creek.
Right now Caroline Ducharme is the paddle.
She shouldn't be...others should be reaching inside for something extra (see Liv)....but they ain't so far.
I believe that Geno has given her a green light to shoot whenever she thinks she can make it go in. Some shots will be better than others.
Anything Azzi or CW or EW or NM can do to at least distract defenses a little bit would be most helpful.
If & when Paige returns 100%, a confident, seasoned Caroline Ducharme who isn't afraid to shoot won't gum up the works.
IMHO
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Geno, with thousands of games of experience knows ; If you tell a Freshman to not shoot under certain conditions she may never shoot. So, the choice is Shoot when you feel you are ready or don't get any production from her. With Caroline, often in games, as the ONLY scorer shooting what choice does Geno have?
Obviously, I agree with you.
 
The PG also helps decide who gets to shoot.
When Caroline started missing too many shots the passes went to other players.
And Caroline helps decide too by not shooting once she realizes that she's accumulated a lot of misses.
She also needs to have some confidence in her teammates, like Liv and whoever else that may get a hot hand.
She's a smart cookie, she'll learn when to shoot & not shoot, or else she'll get pulled out or there will be a time out.
 
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