Candid Coaches: Is it better for UConn to stay in the Big East or try to join the Big 12 or ACC?

[CL82]

No.UConn adds real value. I get that the value is locked, but the ACC even considering SMU is an abject joke.

Why? It adds $30+ Million per school to the pie.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Why? It adds $30+ Million per school to the pie.

I doubt the $30m per school (cal/Stanford/smu aren’t worth $10M per school per year.

And, at end of day, they just cut the lie too much.

Lastly, what are you going to do with the money?

Better facilities? Higher pay? Amenities?

 

[CL82]

I doubt the $30m per school (cal/Stanford/smu aren’t worth $10M per school per year.

And, at end of day, they just cut the lie too much.

Lastly, what are you going to do with the money?

Better facilities? Higher pay? Amenities?

Oh well, the reporting is that all three candidates will get a full share from ESPN, so that's some thing north of 30, million per school. And SMU isn't taking a dollar of that so that's immediately 30 million more for the conference.

Somehow, I suspect, they'll be able to find a way to spend it.

 

[billybud]

The in footprint rate, is a component of the over all ESPN contracted rate.

So if the ACC has a conference member within a state, ESPN bills the TV provider the higher billable rate for the ACCN. The rate charged to the TV subscriber will not change, the rate charged by ESPN to the Carrier will move to their prior agreed upon contract terms. In non ACC member states ESPN gets about $.10 per ESPN household. In member states ESPN gets $.73 per ESPN household. That does not sound like a lot of money until it's viewed against California with 13.2 million households and Texas with 10.2 million households. Those 2 states provide the ACC & ESPN with revenue opportunity.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Now this period also coincides with David Benedict's arrival so I wouldn't necessarily attribute that entirely to AAC --> Big East move. It probably is a combination of

1) Having a competent Athletic Director
2) Donations now being included in Basketball ticket prices
3) The move to the Big East increasing interest in athletics including increase basketball ticket sales & general donations due to increased interest in the entire AD

Some possible additional considerations?:

Acknowledging economic ups and downs and the worst of the pandemic:
4) General higher S&P and NASDAQ performance since 2016
5) CT & US demographics, and increasingly more affluent UConn alumni and other supporters (versus pre-2000s) potentially enabling higher tax-deductible donations

Related consideration?:
6) UConn Foundation - improved relationship-building and more professional, targeted, proactive solicitation even in the last decade.

 

[king conn]

The in footprint rate, is a component of the over all ESPN contracted rate.

So if the ACC has a conference member within a state, ESPN bills the TV provider the higher billable rate for the ACCN. The rate charged to the TV subscriber will not change, the rate charged by ESPN to the Carrier will move to their prior agreed upon contract terms. In non ACC member states ESPN gets about $.10 per ESPN household. In member states ESPN gets $.73 per ESPN household. That does not sound like a lot of money until it's viewed against California with 13.2 million households and Texas with 10.2 million households. Those 2 states provide the ACC & ESPN with revenue opportunity.

Is it state or TV market?

I find it hard to believe cable companies in Houston, San Antonio etc are going to pay the higher amount just because of SMU, who they don't care squat about and might as well be in Oklahoma because it's so far away

 

[huskidork]

the big east is nice, but if you think long term it's the most viable option for us you are just wrong, P4 schools will be and are making WAY more than us like 10-15x rn, we're not gonna be able to compete long term.

 

[billybud]

Is it state or TV market?

I find it hard to believe cable companies in Houston, San Antonio etc are going to pay the higher amount just because of SMU, who they don't care squat about and might as well be in Oklahoma because it's so far away

State...Pitt brings in Pennsylvanai, Syracuse New york etc...

ESPN doesnt have contracts with local staions/markets...the ACCN is carried by Comcast (Xfinity), Dish, DTV, Fios, Hulu, Youtube, Altice, etc.

The ESPN contracts dictate thar there are "in footprint" and "out of footprint" carriage charges and that a state with an ACC program is considered "in the footprint".

 

[superjohn]

the big east is nice, but if you think long term it's the most viable option for us you are just wrong, P4 schools will be and are making WAY more than us like 10-15x rn, we're not gonna be able to compete long term.

There won't be a P4 long term in football.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

the big east is nice, but if you think long term it's the most viable option for us you are just wrong, P4 schools will be and are making WAY more than us like 10-15x rn, we're not gonna be able to compete long term.

Are you basing this on continued growth of linear television contracts? If you believe those will keep growing, you are just wrong.

 

[JohnFSilver]

The in footprint rate, is a component of the over all ESPN contracted rate.

So if the ACC has a conference member within a state, ESPN bills the TV provider the higher billable rate for the ACCN. The rate charged to the TV subscriber will not change, the rate charged by ESPN to the Carrier will move to their prior agreed upon contract terms. In non ACC member states ESPN gets about $.10 per ESPN household. In member states ESPN gets $.73 per ESPN household. That does not sound like a lot of money until it's viewed against California with 13.2 million households and Texas with 10.2 million households. Those 2 states provide the ACC & ESPN with revenue opportunity.

Not that simple.

Espn isn’t just going to give people money if you add a school in state. There are protections. If not, why is Buffalo not in the Big 12?

 

[billybud]

It is that simple...that is the ESPN contract...for the ACCN

Does Big 12 have a network?

 

[JohnFSilver]

It is that simple...that is the ESPN contract...for the ACCN

Does Big 12 have a network?

It isnt.

 

[billybud]

According to John Skipper, who negotiated the contracts for ESPN...re adding Cal teams..

“The ACC Network has contracts with all the distributors that pay an in-conference fee and pay an out-of-conference fee based on state,” Skipper said. “And that is not negotiable. That is enforceable. And suddenly all of those subscribers—it’s a declining universe—there’s still 15 million subscribers in that footprint, give or take, and they would suddenly be paying a couple of bucks a year for the ACC Network.”

 

[billybud]

It isnt.

yada, yada...I'll take ESPN's version over your opinion.

Ex President of ESPN...or your off the top of your head musing ?

 

[noeynox]

According to John Skipper, who negotiated the contracts for ESPN...re adding Cal teams..

“The ACC Network has contracts with all the distributors that pay an in-conference fee and pay an out-of-conference fee based on state,” Skipper said. “And that is not negotiable. That is enforceable. And suddenly all of those subscribers—it’s a declining universe—there’s still 15 million subscribers in that footprint, give or take, and they would suddenly be paying a couple of bucks a year for the ACC Network.”

John Skipper was a known cokehead.

 

[billybud]

John Skipper, like many corporate types, I suppose, was a drug user...who admitted that he had been what he thought of as a "recreational user"...until his dealer blackmailed him and he confessed to Iger.

A sad tale..

 

[king conn]

yada, yada...I'll take ESPN's version over your opinion.

Ex President of ESPN...or your off the top of your head musing ?

And what is left unsaid is how many cable companies flat out refuse to carry the ACC Network

How many cable subscribers is that?

 

[Sea Goat]

If you don't see how UConn in the Big East is attractive to recruits you're lost. A superstar kid from Maine is deciding between Duke and UConn. Kansas has always pulled top kids from all over the country. Syracuse is a truly strong program.

UConn would easily attract kids if it were in the ACC too. The BE is a good BB conference - no doubt. But, UConn is the root cause of the attraction, not the BE. With 5 BB Nattys, under 3 coaches in 3 different conferences, in the last 25 years you're going to attract talent regardless of conference.

I must take exception to your statement about Syracuse being a "truly strong program", however. How so? They have 1 Natty period, two decades ago with one and done Carmelo Anthony. Lately they have been abysmal. Syracuse gets a lot of BS hype because of media connections, not because of a spate dynamic performances on the court.

 

[billybud]

And what is left unsaid is how many cable companies flat out refuse to carry the ACC Network

How many cable subscribers is that?

ESPN was more successful with the ACCN since if a cable company carries ESPN, they carry the ACCN....how many cable companies do not carry ESPN ? ACCN was bundled.

Not so with the Big Ten Network,,,,Comcast does not have them in non footprint states.

Comcast drops pricey Big Ten Network in nonconference regions

Comcast confirmed that it will no longer distribute the Big Ten Network in regions outside those that are home to Big Ten Conference universities. | Comcast confirmed that it will no longer distribute the Big Ten Network in regions outside those that are home to Big Ten Conference universities.

www.streamtvinsider.com

 

[kobe]

You'll never join the Big 12, all the "trying" in he world won't help.

Say it with me guys, UConn has no value to us.

We don't want you. Never have and probably never will. Set your sights elsewhere.

Heard the MAC might have an opening. Maybe C-USA.