California state university system cancels fall classes on campus

[HuskyHawk]

The vaccine and waiting to "fully eradicate" the virus are both insane. There's a good chance neither happens. If that's the case are states that won't reopen just going to pay their citizens to sit at home the rest of their lives? Good grief.

We've had a vaccine for Measles since, what, the early 70s? (too lazy to look it up). Measles still isn't eradicated. In fact the only virus we have successfully eradicated in the wild is smallpox.

I will say this: we've never put this much effort into any one pathogen before. Not even close. So maybe we can pull this off. But we can't wait for that. Schools need to be open, those most at risk need to be protected and we all need to proceed with living, but with more caution than we previously exercised. Honestly, I'm slightly ashamed at how cavalier we've all been about influenza all these years.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

Vaccines don't completely eradicate a virus. They do drastically reduce the impact of the virus and in many cases completely protect against it for a period of time. That would be more than enough to return to "normal" life. The goal here can't be to wipe this off the face of the earth - it's to reduce its impact as much as possible so that if someone is infected, there's an effective way to treat it and enough immunity (via vaccine or exposure) to reduce its transmissibility.

While vaccines for other coronaviruses haven't been created, how many times did anyone try? There are only 7 according to the CDC: Coronavirus | Human Coronavirus Types | CDC

MERS and SARS-1 aren't prevalent enough to make a vaccine worthwhile. The others, as I understand them, aren't nearly significant enough to warrant the investment of time or money.

 

[I Bleed Blue]

 

[UconnU]

Hospitals at historically low volume(people afraid to even show up?). Approaching 40 million people out of work, every SBO I know is struggling to make payroll. Public opinion shifting fast against lockdown. If this continues into football season/new school year there will be widespread outrage. There needs to be some sort of weighted approach that includes basic economics and public opinion. The vast majority of people are smart enough to make proper healthcare decisions for themselves and their families. No one in my immediate family has any severe underlying conditions or is over 65. We’re smart enough to distance ourselves from others and wear masks when in public. Why should we continue to have our lives totally upended?

 

[HHusky]

Hey.....It's California!

 

[Rico444]

Early on, the "experts" told us the virus could survive on inert surfaces for hours and out in the sun for 30 minutes or more but now they tell us it will survive on surfaces for only a few minutes while in the sun it will only survive for 10 to 15 seconds.

Do you have a source for this?

 

[Palatine]

Some may find this interesting. It is a comparison "deaths per ten million starting at 10 deaths" for selected countries. The thick red line is Sweden. Did any of the geniuses in the White House Press Corps ever ask Dr. Fauci if there was a double blind study done on "lockdowns" as a treatment for virus mitigation?

 

[DB24MTN]

Why would anybody bother to pay full tuition for this version of college education? I wouldn't. I think there will be a huge number of skip year kids. May daughter is a HS Jr. We are still hoping we can get some visits in.

UConn student here. FWIW Can confirm I personally wont be taking classes in the fall if they are online, as with a number of my friends.

 

[JimHurley]

UConn student here. FWIW Can confirm I personally wont be taking classes in the fall if they are online, as with a number of my friends.

Smart man! I took 2 online classes in my UConn career and I wouldn’t pay 25% tuition to do a full semester of them. Complete joke.

 

[upstater]

Sweden isn't changing their approach except with respect to nursing homes. Other places are beginning to adopt their approach.

As for a vaccine, many are progressing. Do you know how many vaccines we have created for other coronaviruses? None. That would be zero.

So if you wait for a vaccine, that may mean waiting for as long as we all live.

I didn't say they were changing their approach. I said the architect of their approach pronounced it a failure.

 

[DB24MTN]

Smart man! I took 2 online classes in my UConn career and I wouldn’t pay 25% tuition to do a full semester of them. Complete joke.

I’ve taken a few summer classes at community colleges and what not for some credits, fine. Being forced into it this semester while taking a lot of classes for my major was a nightmare. Even if fully prepared for them, you just lose so much while watching a recorded lecture from your bed. Not to mention the loss of on campus resources. Just not worth the 25k a year instate tuition (or whatever it is at this point).

 

[Uconn92387]

If everyone wore masks we'd be more likely to have football this fall. But for some idiots, it's "muh freedom and choice" to be a selfish a hole.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, Isn't it selfish for you to lecture people who won't wear masks, because if they did "we" would have football. Just saying. Seems kind of hypocritical.

 

[phillionaire]

Just to play Devil's Advocate, Isn't it selfish for you to lecture people who won't wear masks, because if they did "we" would have football. Just saying. Seems kind of hypocritical.

You wear a mask to protect others from getting infected by you. It’s the definition of selfish to not wear one. People who don’t wear makes deserve to be shamed and ridiculed until my voice is hoarse.

 

[superjohn]

Schools are starting to open up all around Europe, along with businesses. Universities are slower to reopen but they're all expected to for the next academic year.

 

[navery12]

So you agree with my other points that the Federal response has been pathetic and certain very important things like money, defense prod act & CDC response can only be done by them?

Did all the governors make nursing homes accept Covid patients or just Cuomo & Jersey? What evidence are you citing that decision directly resulted in tens of thousands of deaths? I'm sure it increased the toll but to say every nursing home death is Cuomo's fault and that the virus wasn't already present in many nursing homes is a tad overstated on your part wouldn't you agree?

One thing I've learned from this and all the other threads on here about Covid is you'll never convince 99% of posters their party is doing anything wrong ever

 

[upstater]

Schools are starting to open up all around Europe, along with businesses. Universities are slower to reopen but they're all expected to for the next academic year.

European universities are a little different than ours.

I expect ours to reopen later, but since Euro schools begin in late October and then classes meet only once a month, it may be easier for them. Every discussion with regard to US schools has been about safety measures and also dorms. The Europeans don't have to worry about dorms.

 

[mussels]

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European universities are a little different than ours.

classes meet only once a month.

Did you state this correctly ?

 

[Adios]

One reason why Cal State chose to remain shut are the commuter students. Let's see what UL does. They'll probably have classes for optics.

 

[M.S.G.]

Just had a department meeting, and we were basically instructed that all kids pass, even if they haven't done a damn thing since school shut down in mid-March.. My oh my...

 

[upstater]

Did you state this correctly ?

Lectures, yes. The UK system is different.

In France, Italy, etc., you go to the professor's lecture once a month, then meet up with classmates and proctors otherwise. I attended the University of Padova, and I was assured by domestic students that the schedule was normal and typical on the continent. My flatmate attended one of the U. of Paris's and said it was a normal schedule as well. In the UK, you meet all the time and practically live with students (i.e dine).

 

[HuskyHawk]

This is quite an interesting article. I’m curious to see what others think. I think our current approach to higher education is hanging by a thread, and that thread is the fact that many major employers still require a four year degree. As soon as that changes, colleges are in trouble.

The Coming Disruption to College

NYU Stern School of Business professor Scott Galloway predicts a handful of elite cyborg universities will soon monopolize higher education.

nymag.com

 

[Palatine]

European universities are a little different than ours.

I expect ours to reopen later, but since Euro schools begin in late October and then classes meet only once a month, it may be easier for them. Every discussion with regard to US schools has been about safety measures and also dorms. The Europeans don't have to worry about dorms.

The Swedish schools never closed.

I assume there has not been much of a problem because the media would have gone haywire of there had been.

 

[upstater]

The Swedish schools never closed.

I assume there has not been much of a problem because the media would have gone haywire of there had been.

Swedish universities closed on March 17th.

But the rest of the country stayed open and paid a price. They are doing worse death per capita than the USA, and of the countries where the infectious spread started in March and not February (i.e. excluding Spain, Italy and France), only the UK is doing worse than Sweden.