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itgoeslike said:
I'm still amazed that a conference can come together and blackball a particular school. I'm curious as to what criteria is being used to exclude a school that has been playing at a level as high as, or higher than, the average P5 school. ND is an independent, so it can't be that. . .
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Well, the real answer is that it is a cartel that is working hard to limit its membership and maximize its payoffs. I don't think that there is any objective criteria other than they want the moolah split to be limited to 65 schools.
 
TerryD said:
Well, the real answer is that it is a cartel that is working hard to limit its membership and maximize its payoffs. I don't think that there is any objective criteria other than they want the moolah split to be limited to 65 schools.
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It was a rhetorical question, which may need to be answered one day, but you are right. Additionally, this whole "we want just a four team playoff" is really a ploy. They see the growth in revenue generated by the expansion of the NCAA tournament. The cartel just wants to ensure that there is a limited and controlling base of schools prior to expansion. The playoffs will eventually expand to 16 teams. At some point, however, when revenue is directly funneled back to benefit a few, select group of schools and go to support non-educational efforts, amateur athletics and not-for-profit classifications will come into question. Pigs get fat, hogs go to slaughter. . .
 
Remember, they didn't say they won't play BYU. Just that it won't be considered a "Power" game. It's all short term profits anyway. Long term, wouldn't espn and the others want to include as many fans as possible? Why alienate 50% of the college football programs just because they have smaller fan bases? Long term, the more the merrier.
 
Who "owns" college football? The P65 have drawn a circle around themselves and say they do. Only they will get paid from here on out because they will freeze out others without regard to results on the field.
 
Two scheduling announcements within two weeks indicate that the majors consider the Big East a major but not the AAC. Interesting.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I am a bit confused by the legal justification for these announcements. If two competitors in any other industry got together and announced they were going to lock out a third, the CEO's of the two competitors would be facing jail time in addition to a civil suit (See ADM). Yet the commissioners of these leagues make these announcements with seeming impunity.
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They're not locking out anyone. They're saying, however, that scheduling Colorado or Kansas is preferable to scheduling BYU.

That's not collusion, but it's pretty stupid.
 
So the purpose of requiring ACC teams to play at least one OOC v. a P5 is for SOS,.
An ACC team playing the likes of Vandy, GT, Nebraska, Wash St, Duke, VT, Michigan, UNC, TCU, Miami (FL), PSU, Florida, Pitt, Indiana, Minnesota, Tenn, Syracuse, BC, NW, ISU, UMd, WVU, Colorado, Illinois, Arkansas, WF, Rutgers, Kentucky, UVa, Cal, and Kansas would all be considered boosts to a teams SOS. However, playing BYU (who was ranked higher than all the teams listed above - which is about half the P5's - would not be considered a boost to SOS. Got it, this fits nicely into the ACC brain trusts thinking all along.
Forget the fact that playing BYU in 2013 would have been better for a teams SOS than playing anyone else in the ACC not named FSU or Clemson (or UL), it is also a national brand that would give exposure in all four corners of the coutry and internationally. Brilliant ACC, brilliant.
 
TerryD said:
Well, the real answer is that it is a cartel that is working hard to limit its membership and maximize its payoffs. I don't think that there is any objective criteria other than they want the moolah split to be limited to 65 schools.
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I wouldn't be so sure it's 65 schools. The next evolution is clearly to cut out the BC's Wake Forests, Vanderbilts and Northwesterns of the work.

The number might be 36. 37 only if ND keeps its branding power.

As to SOS, by playing each other, they insulate themselves from losses against lower tier conferences and the SOS hit.

How can you tell how good a conference is if they only play themselves. The SEC has lived this for years. Send the good teams out for one good OOC game to build up SOS and everyone else plays south alabama.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Two scheduling announcements within two weeks indicate that the majors consider the Big East a major but not the AAC. Interesting.
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actually the B1G considers AAC a power game.

http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/05/indiana-uconn-schedule-2019-2020-home-and-home-football-series/

“This addition keeps us in line with our goal of having seven home games every year and is consistent with the Big Ten’s policy that each school play at least one major conference opponent in the non-conference every season." -Indiana AD Jeremy Gray
 
The Indiana AD is going to get fired over this. He doesn't realize we aren't in a power conference anymore.
 
While not defending Swofford, can this not be viewed as a good thing for BYU? The P5 have said you need 1 Power game in addition to conf schedule (which fills up 9 or 10 in the case of PAC games). Add in a 1AA/local and/or historical rival and most need yet another game (or 2). If they want to increase odds of playoff, they are not going to overdo it w/P5 games and Cuse, Wake and Kansas cant play a 20 game schedule, so why would P5 schools not schedule BYU? They just said its not the 1 power game - which is code for everyone of the 65 has to play another of the 65 in terms of counting the 1 power game.

Regardless, guys like Swofford are going to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs, eventually.
 
Why Play BYU, And Risk Getting Swept Like Georgia Tech, Or Why play bYu In A Home And Home When You Can Play g5, Games With No Return Game? There Is No Spinning This Into Anything Other Than We Are Getting Closer To A Division 4.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Two scheduling announcements within two weeks indicate that the majors consider the Big East a major but not the AAC. Interesting.
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I don't think Duke is going to be credited with playing Villanova and Georgetown. That's not going to count as a P5 game. In fact, such games are such a huge afterthought that they aren't even mentioned as being under consideration.
 
gioff23 said:
While not defending Swofford, can this not be viewed as a good thing for BYU? The P5 have said you need 1 Power game in addition to conf schedule (which fills up 9 or 10 in the case of PAC games). Add in a 1AA/local and/or historical rival and most need yet another game (or 2). If they want to increase odds of playoff, they are not going to overdo it w/P5 games and Cuse, Wake and Kansas cant play a 20 game schedule, so why would P5 schools not schedule BYU? They just said its not the 1 power game - which is code for everyone of the 65 has to play another of the 65 in terms of counting the 1 power game.

Regardless, guys like Swofford are going to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs, eventually.
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I think the prevailing assumption is that you're going to need a 1-off in order to maximize revenue. 4 or 5 conference home games + 1 P5 game = 5 home games a year, 4 or 5 away games, that means just 2 games left. If you play BYU, that's gotta be on a 1-1 basis. So you've effectively painted yourself in a corner by scheduling BYU, you've limited the amount of home games to 6 or 7.
 
UConn9604 said:
They're not locking out anyone. They're saying, however, that scheduling Colorado or Kansas is preferable to scheduling BYU.

That's not collusion, but it's pretty stupid.
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It's pretty stupid but much of strength of schedule is not only who you play but who your opponents play. BYU isn't going to have a good enough schedule going forward and even if they are decent to good, they will drag you down in computers and perception with who they play.
 
SubbaBub said:
I wouldn't be so sure it's 65 schools. The next evolution is clearly to cut out the BC's Wake Forests, Vanderbilts and Northwesterns of the work.

The number might be 36. 37 only if ND keeps its branding power.

As to SOS, by playing each other, they insulate themselves from losses against lower tier conferences and the SOS hit.

How can you tell how good a conference is if they only play themselves. The SEC has lived this for years. Send the good teams out for one good OOC game to build up SOS and everyone else plays south alabama.
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The SEC also lives on dominating the NFL draft. There was an SEC game in 2011 that had something like 42 future draft picks play in it.

The major leagues have never kicked anyone out. I'll believe they make moves on Northwestern and Vanderbilt when I see it.
 
If BYU goes to b12, they will likely go with some fortunate AAC team while Warde continues "monitoring" the situation from the Ponderosa buffet line
 
Waylon do you see how ridiculous your independent scheme is when you read these BYU articles?
 
First of all. LOL at Noeynox and his Caps On Every First Letter.

Second of all. LOL at Waylon, just for being Waylon.

Third of all, there is no hope for us, might as well go on a drunken spending spree like Louisville and hope something shakes loose.
 
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