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http://www.indystar.com/article/201...mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com&nclick_check=1

Well - not Buler itself (caught that). indy Star Beat Reporter.

"NEW YORK — Butler will withdraw from the Atlantic 10 next week and join the reshaped Big East, according to a source familiar with the ongoing discussions."

"Xavier is expected to also join the conference next week, sources said. Creighton has been mentioned by several media outlets as a possible 10th member, but The Star could not confirm that information Friday."
 
The Creighton move is a bad move.

Georgetown--despite the horribly bad advice it took from Tagliabue to reject the ESPN package--seems to have more sense than the rest of its addled cohort. G'Town wanted a Virginia team (Richmond or VCU). Going out to Omaha for a team is lame-brained as it takes the conference even further midwest, and sets up a showdown with the ACC and maybe the A12 over NYC tourney rights. It's just a dumb move. If you go back 10-15 years, Richmond and VCU have accomplished as much as Creighton AND more.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions are made in a season in which a team gets hot, so everyone is gaga about Creighton now. I believe Fishy once said this about UConn having a tough bball year this year, and football melting down, while Louisville was on the upside in both sports. If the ACC goes hunting while Kragthorpe was still coach, you'd have to like UConn's chances better.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions get made in such a fashion.
 
Upstater, take a look at my VCU post on the MBB board. Hits on what you're alluding to in terms of stretching too far.
 
upstater said:
The Creighton move is a bad move.

Georgetown--despite the horribly bad advice it took from Tagliabue to reject the ESPN package--seems to have more sense than the rest of its addled cohort. G'Town wanted a Virginia team (Richmond or VCU). Going out to Omaha for a team is lame-brained as it takes the conference even further midwest, and sets up a showdown with the ACC and maybe the A12 over NYC tourney rights. It's just a dumb move. If you go back 10-15 years, Richmond and VCU have accomplished as much as Creighton AND more.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions are made in a season in which a team gets hot, so everyone is gaga about Creighton now. I believe Fishy once said this about UConn having a tough bball year this year, and football melting down, while Louisville was on the upside in both sports. If the ACC goes hunting while Kragthorpe was still coach, you'd have to like UConn's chances better.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions get made in such a fashion.
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Creighton pushed real, real hard by the AD of Marquette... another Jesuit university.
 
upstater said:
The Creighton move is a bad move.

Georgetown--despite the horribly bad advice it took from Tagliabue to reject the ESPN package--seems to have more sense than the rest of its addled cohort. G'Town wanted a Virginia team (Richmond or VCU). Going out to Omaha for a team is lame-brained as it takes the conference even further midwest, and sets up a showdown with the ACC and maybe the A12 over NYC tourney rights. It's just a dumb move. If you go back 10-15 years, Richmond and VCU have accomplished as much as Creighton AND more.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions are made in a season in which a team gets hot, so everyone is gaga about Creighton now. I believe Fishy once said this about UConn having a tough bball year this year, and football melting down, while Louisville was on the upside in both sports. If the ACC goes hunting while Kragthorpe was still coach, you'd have to like UConn's chances better.

It's a crazy thing that these decisions get made in such a fashion.
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It might be stretching too far but the decision had nothing to do with recent success. Creighton has been top 25 in attendance for 6 consecutive years.

http://www.gocreighton.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1000&ATCLID=205143721

Edit: note article from 2011, not sure what they did last year.
 
Creighton is an excellent program and has terrific fan support - honestly, that should take precedent over location.

You have a midwestern contingent already and it makes sense to bolster that. And they've been a mainstay in the NCAA and NIT over the past dozen years - it's a good pick. They fit.
 
OkaForPrez said:
It might be stretching too far but the decision had nothing to do with recent success. Creighton has been top 25 in attendance for 6 consecutive years.

http://www.gocreighton.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1000&ATCLID=205143721

Edit: note article from 2011, not sure what they did last year.
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Richmond though has had big tourney wins and has made Sweet 16s. Getting ranked over and over as Creighton--while ALWAYS flaming out in the NCAA tourney--is surely a product of a weaker conference. Richmond simply has had more competition.
 
Richmond is not as good a program as Creighton and doesn't have nearly the same fan support.

I'm sure Creighton's average attendance is higher than all but perhaps Marquette in the new conference and Richmond's average attendance would easily be the lowest.

This was not a hard call for the C7.
 
If you look into Creighton, you find a clear candidate for greater achievement. They just sent 6500 to St Louis for a conference tourney. Sell out games against Northern Iowa. Have a rabid home crowd AND corporate sponsors. (actually have the best college soccer stadium in NCAA). Far better than the Richmond schools. VCU? I like a Shaka Smart led group; but I'd bet Creighton sustains 13,000 at Home easily & expand with Georgetown & Marquette & Villanove coming to Omaha.

This ones an easy comparison.
 
They are looking at Richmond, St Louis and Dayton and assessing.
 
Fishy said:
Creighton is an excellent program and has terrific fan support - honestly, that should take precedent over location.

You have a midwestern contingent already and it makes sense to bolster that. And they've been a mainstay in the NCAA and NIT over the past dozen years - it's a good pick. They fit.
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Yes and fit even better once SLU comes in.
 
I think Aresco should push to add VCU and maybe another mid major school that the C7 might be courting but could pass on. Adding VCU really should be a no brainer.
 
Creighton is a no-brainer. The only objections to them would be from an East Coast-focused echo chamber that doesn't understand how valuable they are. This is a school that sells out 17,000 seats every night playing a freaking Missouri Valley Conference schedule. This is the equivalent of a football team selling 100,000 tickets every week in the MAC. It's similar to why nearby Nebraska got into the Big Ten first over everyone else, as well. When you sell out your games win or lose year in and year out (not just in a fair weather fashion), that will be taken notice even in a small market.
 
frankthetank said:
Creighton is a no-brainer. The only objections to them would be from an East Coast-focused echo chamber that doesn't understand how valuable they are. This is a school that sells out 17,000 seats every night playing a freaking Missouri Valley Conference schedule. This is the equivalent of a football team selling 100,000 tickets every week in the MAC. It's similar to why nearby Nebraska got into the Big Ten first over everyone else, as well. When you sell out your games win or lose year in and year out (not just in a fair weather fashion), that will be taken notice even in a small market.
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Echo chamber? No. The point I made originally was about holding onto the NYC tourney. As this conference becomes 7 midwest/plains state schools and 5 east coast, they will have an increasingly hard time selling the garden. We know this because we've been to the garden umpteen times, and schools like Marquette (they have good fans, don't they?) are not much of a presence.
 
As opposed to the Midwest centric echo chamber....

frankthetank said:
Creighton is a no-brainer. The only objections to them would be from an East Coast-focused echo chamber that doesn't understand how valuable they are. This is a school that sells out 17,000 seats every night playing a freaking Missouri Valley Conference schedule. This is the equivalent of a football team selling 100,000 tickets every week in the MAC. It's similar to why nearby Nebraska got into the Big Ten first over everyone else, as well. When you sell out your games win or lose year in and year out (not just in a fair weather fashion), that will be taken notice even in a small market.
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Not adding VCU to the C7 is no brainer. A large public school has nothing in common with a league of small, mostly Catholic, institutions.

Creighton is a great pick, as it simultaneously weakens the competition.
 
vowelguy said:
Not adding VCU to the C7 is no brainer. A large public school has nothing in common with a league of small, mostly Catholic, institutions.

Creighton is a great pick, as it simultaneously weakens the competition.
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What competition?
 
captainron2 said:
Hmm, then I guess MSG sending their guy to the press conference and the 10 year deal are figments of several reporters imaginations
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10 year deal for what time of the year? We just read an article with a MSG rep about his talks with ACC. If the plays is locked down, why is MSG talking to the ACC?
 
upstater said:
10 year deal for what time of the year? We just read an article with a MSG rep about his talks with ACC. If the plays is locked down, why is MSG talking to the ACC?
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Not going to argue. We'll find out today at the press conference.
 
They got MSG through 2025-26. Good move for them.
 
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