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I don't understand the call on Butler. Was it a technical or a flagrant foul? I thought that the announcer said technical. My understanding is that a technical foul cannot be called due to player contact during course of the game. If it was a flagrant, then Natalie should have been sent to the locker room.
 
The ESPN theme song for the 2014 Women's Final 4 was Jason Aldean's "The Only Way I Know" in a version sung by Connie Brittain from the tv show "Nashville" - Maybe Natalie listened to the song and was influenced by the line: "Don't Back Up, Don't Back Down" - in fact the whole song would make a good motivator for the UCONN gals.
 
It was a very chippy physical game the refs swallowed the whistle many times. Can't remember the last time UCONN had two technical fouls from two different players (KLS & Nat). The technical called on Natalie was a flop worthy of ND. The one on KLS was strange and unnecessary because KLS was having such a good game. To be clear I'm saying KLS initiate it and was a fault and I rather she save that for a game when she having a not so good game and needs to get herself or the team going. Not worried about Gabby at all. Napheesa played well also snagging 3 offensive rebounds (in a row) among taller players at point . Beginning to worry about Morgan-her 3 Ball looks flat, she is not finishing at the basket at her normal rate and she is getting out positioned for some rebounds in the post. The one thing Morgan continues to do exceptional well is to kick the ball out of the post-KLS should thank her.
To me Morgan is not elevating on her outside shot. Inside I'm accustomed to seeing her take that long step and extended to the basket for her layups. She's been shortening that step. To me, clear signs that her knee is an issue. And yeah, her footwork in the post is suffering.
 
I don't want to see ECU put in the same category as RU. The Recidivists were continually overstepping the lines of acceptable play (although I don't recall any of them chasing down a player and punching her in the nose, BG). ECU played hard and never gave up, and while some of their play was on the edge, we've seen as bad from ND often, and I don't think anyone REALLY thinks they play dirty. Heck, Taurasi has done worse to opponents than anything the ECU players did; she was just skilled enough at it not to get caught. ;)

Give credit where it is do; ECU played a great game, given the task at hand and the weapons at their disposal.

BG did not chase anyone down. She simply took a couple of steps and punched Barncastle in the nose.
 
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Not sure you need to that worried about Morgan. She's been facing much smaller, faster players in conference. Lots of 4-5 guard lineups by undermanned teams. She'll be fine when she's playing someone as big or bigger.
Yes, but I would expect her shooting percentage to be higher vs the smaller players. She is missing almost all of the shots in the post that she usually made about 80% of the time. I am another one worried about her. I think she has lost her shot at making an AA team.
 
Meghan Culmo refers to Natalie as the "Big Girl" all the time, as she did with Stef. After all, Natalie and Stef are big.
 
Anyone who thinks that what Butler did isn't a foul must think the Battle of Gettysburg was just a little skirmish.

My wife and I were watching and, to my way of thinking, the ECU player should have been called as well, but Butler should have gotten something extra for literally pushing the other player top the ground.
 
Cant a video, but it looked like she suckered into the retaliation. She'll be less conspicuous next time she flattens someone.
The ECU post player had been physical and chippy all day and was actually planning on hitting Nat with a forearm shiver. As she wound up to deliver it Nat instinctively turned into the blow with a full body bump, shortening the distance and catching Ms. Chippy in mid range-of-motion. Ms. Chippy folded like a lawn chair from the ensuing collision...partly acting, partly because that's the only direction she was headed anyways. I dug Nat's aggression on the play and the fact that she didn't walk away from the scene - looked like she was ready to handle any unfinished business in case Ms. Chippy needed another look at the plates on the truck that ran her over! :)

Breanna was the first on the scene to come and corral Nat.
 
The Jason Aldean song that may be most fitting for the Huskies:


 
Meghan Culmo refers to Natalie as the "Big Girl" all the time, as she did with Stef. After all, Natalie and Stef are big.
Think I'll start calling Nat "The Punisher"! :)
 
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The ECU post player had been physical and chippy all day and was actually planning on hitting Nat with a forearm shiver. As she wound up to deliver it Nat instinctively turned into the blow with a full body bump, shortening the distance and catching Ms. Chippy in mid range-of-motion. Ms. Chippy folded like a lawn chair from the ensuing collision...partly acting, partly because that's the only direction she was headed anyways. I dug Nat's aggression on the play and the fact that she didn't walk away from the scene - looked like she was ready to handle any unfinished business in case Ms. Chippy needed another look at the plates on the truck that ran her over! :)

Breanna was the first on the scene to come and corral Nat.

Aggression is always more acceptable when it's your player being aggressive. I still haven't been able to locate video of the incident.
 
Aggression is always more acceptable when it's your player being aggressive. I still haven't been able to locate video of the incident.
Don't bother if you're expecting anything resembling the ECU player getting "Barncastled." This was very mild - just enough to send a well-deserved message, but certainly not enough for a flagrant 2 or anything close.
 
Aggression is always more acceptable when it's your player being aggressive. I still haven't been able to locate video of the incident.
Probably have to watch the whole game to see it, really wasn't worth a 'highlight'. It happened after a Uconn basket and both players were still in the lane - the ECU player approached Butler as she turned to head back on defense with the intention of giving her a little shoulder bump and Butler saw it coming and gave her own shoulder bump with significantly more force. the ECU player appeared to be 'de-cleated' to borrow a football term and ended up on her backside. I suspect there was a little bit of dramatization in the action of the ECU player, but Butler had definitely put some force into her shoulder.

There were no elbows or arms or fists involved just solid shoulder to shoulder bump.

It was pretty similar to an earlier incident between Lou and a ECU player jogging up court, where Lou initiated the bumping and they were both assessed fouls, but with Butler there was a significant weight/height difference and a little more power behind the bump..
 
What? Natalie Butler is not a "Big Girl" as our fav Kara Wolters has says many times, as well as Big "Mama Stef" Dolson. So, you think that Natalie Butler is not a "big girl"? I beg to differ.

As to whether she committed a foul or not is an entirely different question. I think she did but, Stewie, as was pointed out during the game and shown on the replays, came over to Big Nat and apparently said as a Senior to a Sophomore: "Knock that stuff off!", or somesuch.
Maybe that is what she said, but during the time when the refs were looking at the monitor to evaluate the play, I saw Big Nat smile, SMILE :p and that is what was needed. The girls need to be more nasty and mean when teams figure they can do what they want to and not play by the rules and expect OUR Huskies to do NOTHING about it - i.e. Kia getting her head ...; Gabby having her leg taken from under her; Mojo getting knocked around a few times; Stewie getting pounded on, etc. Show other teams that if you want to play that way then get a role player to do the same to their star player and send a message that two can play that game, but hopefully no one gets hurt because of it.
 
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Don't bother if you're expecting anything resembling the ECU player getting "Barncastled." This was very mild - just enough to send a well-deserved message, but certainly not enough for a flagrant 2 or anything close.
Good for Big Nat!!!
 
I guess as a Baylor/Griner fan you'd know something about that.

If this is meant to bother me you are going to have to try a lot harder than that. I wouldn't reference aggression if I weren't asking for a Griner reference. ;)
 
Tuck just in a little funk, where we are in the season and some choices she needs to make are perhaps weighing on her mind, perhaps something else but best to get it our of her system now and then turn it on for the next 10 games or so.. Kia, Gabby, Butler and throw in Tuck for that matter - you can't keep making the same moves every time. Look at what makes Stewie and Moriah successful - they diversify.. If you look at what Kia does in her drives to the bucket, as is the case with both Tuck and Gabby - it's the same moves over and over and when they decide they're going to shoot off of a move, they tend to follow it through (more often than not) and it'd something you can defend against. Butler last night proved she can dominate against smaller teams but she too needs to change it up a bit. Taking her defender out 10-12 feet and taking that jumper seems to be in her comfort zone so stay after it.
Of course they can keep doing the same moves until someone stops them. No one in WCBB has been able to stop Morgan so far because she has moves and counter moves for days. This is a case of her stopping herself or more likely her knee limiting her.
 
Of course they can keep doing the same moves until someone stops them. No one in WCBB has been able to stop Morgan so far because she has moves and counter moves for days. This is a case of her stopping herself or more likely her knee limiting her.
I think the last couple of games that wasn't the case. Would agree that if something works milk it until something tells you it's no longer working but I see the moves they made in the Cincy game and the ECU game and the defense was onto them. Kia need to pull up and hit that medium range jumper. Gabby, once she's determined to go to the bucket and is shut-off by a quick defender she rarely has a second option. Would concur to a degree on Tuck perhaps stopping herself but again I think she needs to mix it up some.
 
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Here. You can see it three times, the last in slow motion.



Thanks for taking the time to post the video. I did see the game, and the replays. My understanding of technical foul is that it does not involve player contact during the playing of the game. So I did not understand why it was a technical, and I still don't. I guess they called her for unsportsmanlike conduct, though there certainly was contact. I thought the refs were discussing whether to call a flagrant. I was surprised vby the technical call. The rule is just not clear to me.
As an aside, your video showed quite clearly that Butler "moved" the ECU player aside as the shot went up. I didn't noticed that in the game replays. People here seem to think that Natalie was being pushed around, but looks to me like she did all the pushing. At least during this sequence that led to the technical.
 
Thanks for taking the time to post the video. I did see the game, and the replays. My understanding of technical foul is that it does not involve player contact during the playing of the game. So I did not understand why it was a technical, and I still don't. I guess they called her for unsportsmanlike conduct, though there certainly was contact. I thought the refs were discussing whether to call a flagrant. I was surprised vby the technical call. The rule is just not clear to me.
My "understanding" is that it was a technical foul because it involved player contact during a dead ball situation. The ball was not in play and I guess that if illegal contact occurs during a dead ball it must be called a technical.
 
It was a very chippy physical game the refs swallowed the whistle many times. Can't remember the last time UCONN had two technical fouls from two different players (KLS & Nat). The technical called on Natalie was a flop worthy of ND. The one on KLS was strange and unnecessary because KLS was having such a good game. To be clear I'm saying KLS initiate it and was a fault and I rather she save that for a game when she having a not so good game and needs to get herself or the team going. Not worried about Gabby at all. Napheesa played well also snagging 3 offensive rebounds (in a row) among taller players at point . Beginning to worry about Morgan-her 3 Ball looks flat, she is not finishing at the basket at her normal rate and she is getting out positioned for some rebounds in the post. The one thing Morgan continues to do exceptional well is to kick the ball out of the post-KLS should thank her.
In the last what 2 or 3 years we have played them I am pretty sure there has been atleast 1 Tech called in every game except maybe 2. Granted most went against Heather Macy... Let's just say I was expecting a Tech at some point.
 
My "understanding" is that it was a technical foul because it involved player contact during a dead ball situation. The ball was not in play and I guess that if illegal contact occurs during a dead ball it must be called a technical.
Ah, yes. Dead ball after the basket. That clears it up. Thanks.
 
Surprisingly, no one applauds Katie Lou.
She has 19 pts, 5 rebs, 2 asts, only 1 TO.
Lou has well accomplished herself as a real good UConn starter...

She's more comfortable now. The game has slowed down for her, and NOW.....she knows she can play at this level.
So now, all she has to do is paly, and let the game come to her. Early on, she was thinking too much, trying her best not to make any mistakes.
 
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