BTN President talks realignment....

[btstimpy]

The legislation the ACC put forth provides a fair amount of latitude in determining who plays for the ACC championship. The ACC wants to avoid a championship game that pits their conference's top ranked team against the third or fourth best team in the conference. In a world with only four playoff spots, a 1-loss Clemson or FSU team needs a quality win in order to be in the mix. The ACC wants their top two teams, irrespective of division, to play for the title.

Yes this is true. It also would enable a lot more regular season scheduling flexibility. That's where the possibility of a 15 member football league could be considered. The Big 12 wants it to open the possibility of a championship game with 10 members.

 

[TerryD]

Didn't know we were dancing...and the premise of the discussion is independent on what the expectations of ND are. For example, people speculate all the time and it is done without even consulting a book or other resource. In this case the speculation is pretty simple - we are assuming fact one, that the ACC will not expand further without more commitment from ND in football. This premise gets proven with them inviting another school without ND giving further commitment...or it goes left unproven with ND staying status quo. The expectation from the ACC is with more commitment from ND, and an additional university being invited is that they would get more money and their own network. Again that too is speculation but pretty sure, that is the topic. Yes, ND is part of the topic but it is not their point of view we are interested in! Thanks for playing. If you do not like this thread or understand its merit because you can't disassociate yourself from ND, I suggest you switch to a different thread or if YOU prefer you can go to the ND blogs. - Just a suggestion. But truly, this is probably a conversation that you shouldn't be a part of. Sort of like ND voting in the Big East with the basketball schools against what the football schools wanted. Only here, you really DON'T get a vote!

I can disassociate just fine. I am a lawyer, I do it all the time.

If you want to have a speculative, hypothetical "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin" type of theoretical discussion, by all means.

Like I said, its your board. Have a nice evening.

 

[Stray_Dog]

I can disassociate just fine. I am a lawyer, I do it all the time.

If you want to have a speculative, hypothetical "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin" type of theoretical discussion, by all means.

Like I said, its your board. Have a nice evening.

Please define for me the difference between the following: an argument, a discussion (both formal and informal), or the formulation of an hypothesis? I look at this topic as not being an argument for whether ND is going to join the ACC, but rather does the ACC have a reason for needing them to join. If the need becomes great, at what point is there a breaking point? And please understand my conjecture against ND is that they played a pretty solid role - as inactive or active a role as that might have been in the destruction of the Old Big East. My point for you - as you are clearly an ND fan and as a lawyer you must realize we would and are treating you as a HOSTILE witness in this conversation! Oh and if you want to get into an exacting argument with utmost clarity argument than as a lawyer I suggest you ask your questions with the expectation that your witness will give very simple answers like yes or no! - Of course speaking of education and how many angels can fit on the head of a pin well, define for me what qualifies the size of an angel and describe me for in what facet they will be oriented in or if it is randome orientation than I will give you an answer in a range. Of course I assume you have this information as you have an idea of angels??? I would then be happy to give you an accurate assessment of the answer.

And for goodness sake, Darwinism would fit this same level of discussion, after all it too is only a theory, or Einstein's theory of relativity. But what was Darwin's basic premise, what was his initial hypothesis? SO my question as an expert on arguments, discussions, and worthless diatribes, I leave you with this one final Question. Before the season starts, the top 25 teams are ranked including the preseason number one, so why play the game or why have the discussion before the game, when both teams that are about to play have already been statistically analyzed and computed as to determine who thee winner is? So, yes I come on here as a fan to be quite speculative, it is after all a sports blog.

I am happy to give you a very minute hint of my background, "For every Action there is an Equal and Oppositte Reaction" ND wants to be independent, the ACC wants them to be dependent!

 

[TerryD]

Please define for me the difference between the following: an argument, a discussion (both formal and informal), or the formulation of an hypothesis? I look at this topic as not being an argument for whether ND is going to join the ACC, but rather does the ACC have a reason for needing them to join. If the need becomes great, at what point is there a breaking point? And please understand my conjecture against ND is that they played a pretty solid role - as inactive or active a role as that might have been in the destruction of the Old Big East. My point for you - as you are clearly an ND fan and as a lawyer you must realize we would and are treating you as a HOSTILE witness in this conversation! Oh and if you want to get into an exacting argument with utmost clarity argument than as a lawyer I suggest you ask your questions with the expectation that your witness will give very simple answers like yes or no! - Of course speaking of education and how many angels can fit on the head of a pin well, define for me what qualifies the size of an angel and describe me for in what facet they will be oriented in or if it is randome orientation than I will give you an answer in a range. Of course I assume you have this information as you have an idea of angels??? I would then be happy to give you an accurate assessment of the answer.

And for goodness sake, Darwinism would fit this same level of discussion, after all it too is only a theory, or Einstein's theory of relativity. But what was Darwin's basic premise, what was his initial hypothesis? SO my question as an expert on arguments, discussions, and worthless diatribes, I leave you with this one final Question. Before the season starts, the top 25 teams are ranked including the preseason number one, so why play the game or why have the discussion before the game, when both teams that are about to play have already been statistically analyzed and computed as to determine who thee winner is? So, yes I come on here as a fan to be quite speculative, it is after all a sports blog.

I am happy to give you a very minute hint of my background, "For every Action there is an Equal and Oppositte Reaction" ND wants to be independent, the ACC wants them to be dependent!

As far as pre-season polls and pre-game shows and the like, I don't know as I don't pay any attention to them. They are pretty meaningless and sort of stupid to me.

I just tune in to watch the actual reality, the games after kickoff. I don't even watch halftime shows as they are all meaningless. I skip post game shows too.

As for the rest, I'll pass. It is your board and as a " hostile witness", you don't really want my opinion and I have cluttered up this thread enough.

 

[upstater]

I think most in the ACC want that, but we have to move forward with the current arrangement for the foreseeable future. John Swofford just answered a reporter on this question in the past month saying that the current ND football - ACC arrangement is at face value. There is no timetable for full membership or expectation, but the ACC would welcome Notre Dame football should Notre Dame want to fully participate. I would like it because I don't like 14 team scheduling. But it can't be expected. We have to carry on like this for now. If the two division requirement is removed for the Championship Game by the NCAA, then the ACC could go to a 15 team football conference. That could actually work better for the Notre Dame 5 games per year because 15 is more evenly divisible by 5 than 14 for the rotation of Notre Dame games.

Yu guys would believe any snakeoil salesman who comes down the pike. Talk about gullible.

 

[billybud]

I don't count on the Irish for anything beyond the 60 games contracted with the ACC,,,,& it sounds like Swofford doesn't either.

I do like the Irish as an OOC staple.