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He’s shooting 50% from 3 through 6 games so far this season.
This is what has me so confused. Multiple people now have questioned Alex's shooting and have talked about his slump this season. He's had some pretty disappointing games but the issue is him not taking enough shots, not the making of his shots
 
This is what has me so confused. Multiple people now have questioned Alex's shooting and have talked about his slump this season. He's had some pretty disappointing games but the issue is him not taking enough shots, not the making of his shots
The only caveat I have with this statement is that AK took some really head-scratching shots yesterday. Bizarrely bad shot selection from him that is unusual. But yeah, he’s been shooting the cover off the ball this season.
 
The only caveat I have with this statement is that AK took some really head-scratching shots yesterday. Bizarrely bad shot selection from him that is unusual. But yeah, he’s been shooting the cover off the ball this season.
Can you describe one that made you scratch your head?
 
The only caveat I have with this statement is that AK took some really head-scratching shots yesterday. Bizarrely bad shot selection from him that is unusual. But yeah, he’s been shooting the cover off the ball this season.
Agreed, was thinking more of Arizona where he only took 5 shots in a game we were missing 2 starters. Don't want him to start forcing up shots, and at full strength don't think we need to force him touches in the offense, but that game seemed like a time he needed to be a little more aggressive when we didn't have much offense
 
I still do not get some of the over reactions. Down two starters we were always comfortably ahead. The outcome was never in doubt. And it was a game sandwiched between AZ and ILL. And it was a weird start time on a Sunday. And it is still game 6 of the season. Geez. Listen, Solo has a two year track record of being a sniper. He will be okay. And Alex is fine. He is better when the D forgets he is there. And with Tarris and Mullins out, that is never going to happen!!!
 
This is what has me so confused. Multiple people now have questioned Alex's shooting and have talked about his slump this season. He's had some pretty disappointing games but the issue is him not taking enough shots, not the making of his shots
He just couldn’t get open against Arizona. The one decent shot he got was when they gambled on a steal. They just were physical with him on cuts - the screens he got weren’t great - and he couldn’t create separation.

Alex is just more of a guy who needs to set a screen and flare, or rotate into space to find an open spot, or come off a quick screen as a deceptive misdirection. Sending him around multiple screens as a primary option just doesn’t work well. Solo on the other hand consistently gets open with strong off the ball movement - he cuts hard and squares up quickly. As did Mullins in the limited sample size against BC. When those guys get open and hit shots and defenses rotate (or Reed draws double teams), AK will hopefully get more clean looks.
 
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Nice share - look forward to the second. Conformational on Ross. Smith, while he can over dribble and play a bit reckless, also brings great energy to the floor and defends the POA as good as anyone on this team. These two and Reibe are great bench pieces. I wish I could say the same for Stew.

I can’t disagree more with so many here not sure what people are seeing? Stew is the better defender early on between he and Ross. Ross and his energy are great, but he doesn’t always guard well especially on the low block where stew is a lot better. Ross has more upside to the rim offensively but minus a couple of nice open dunks he can’t finish with defenders around, still a bit spaz in trying to needs to slow down.

This duo is basically still open as no one has stepped up tremendously to take minutes from the other at this point.
 
I can’t disagree more with so many here not sure what people are seeing? Stew is the better defender early on between he and Ross. Ross and his energy are great, but he doesn’t always guard well especially on the low block where stew is a lot better. Ross has more upside to the rim offensively but minus a couple of nice open dunks he can’t finish with defenders around, still a bit spaz in trying to needs to slow down.

This duo is basically still open as no one has stepped up tremendously to take minutes from the other at this point.
How often do we need low block defenders, unless on a switch, when AK plays almost the entire game at the 4? We need perimeter defenders.
 
That's damning with faint praise, imo. I can't believe there's 10 better back-up centers out there.
Don't look now but he could be gone in the draft next year. We're looking a 7 footer with heft, offensive moves and outside shot. Just needs experience and to toughen up. Kid has immense potential in the next level. Like said above. Clingan like development.
 
Don't look now but he could be gone in the draft next year. We're looking a 7 footer with heft, offensive moves and outside shot. Just needs experience and to toughen up. Kid has immense potential in the next level. Like said above. Clingan like development.
He is no where near NBA ready, not even close. He'll be here a minimum of three years. He'd get stewed in the NBA, footwork is really slow and methodical. His profile is honestly not all that rare. He's got a nice little lefty touch for a 5, but he gets pushed around, can't finish well near the rim. Ways to go.
 
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Can you describe one that made you scratch your head?
  • 3:30 in the first half, took a DEEP three with 25 seconds left on the shot clock.
  • 8:11 in the second half, took an inexplicably deep three off a really nice screen when there was no reason for him to be on the logo.
  • 6:30 in the second half. Took a deep contested three with 15 left on the shot clock.
  • 4:23 in the second half. Took a deep contested three after initially thinking better of it. 23 seconds left on the shot clock.
Guy has been real good this year so don’t take this as me just dumping on the guy. They were bad shots, partly caused I’m sure by how stagnant our entire offense got at times. As I said, it’s an outlier for him. By and large he’s had great shot selection this year.
 
Don't look now but he could be gone in the draft next year. We're looking a 7 footer with heft, offensive moves and outside shot. Just needs experience and to toughen up. Kid has immense potential in the next level. Like said above. Clingan like development.
You mean after next season right? There's no way in hell he's leaving after this season.
 
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How do some of the people on this board function out in the world?

We have one of the best teams in the country…again…
Ball and Karaban are a big part of that.
No, every time a player has an off game or even a shooting slump doesn’t mean they suck.
 
  • 3:30 in the first half, took a DEEP three with 25 seconds left on the shot clock.
  • 8:11 in the second half, took an inexplicably deep three off a really nice screen when there was no reason for him to be on the logo.
  • 6:30 in the second half. Took a deep contested three with 15 left on the shot clock.
  • 4:23 in the second half. Took a deep contested three after initially thinking better of it. 23 seconds left on the shot clock.
Guy has been real good this year so don’t take this as me just dumping on the guy. They were bad shots, partly caused I’m sure by how stagnant our entire offense got at times. As I said, it’s an outlier for him. By and large he’s had great shot selection this year.
The angle from my seats may have prevented me from noticing just how deep some of those were, and I’m generally not a fan of early clock deep threes, but I also generally support any open look from three by Karaban. I appreciate the examples with rationale.
 
My eyes glaze over looking at this. I am going to speculate instead, based on the old eye test. Our half court offense isn't clicking right now. It looks out of sorts and isn't getting the open looks we want. Given that, we really have two guys who generate steals and transition baskets, Ross and Smith. Stewart has been pretty good at that too, surprisingly. I am curious to see if these stats remain when Reed and Mullins are back and our rim protection and half court offense improves (assuming it does). It is still super valuable that we can shift to more of a transition team with those two on the court. It allows us to give teams a different look.

It can be a lot of data to look at. I think the abbreviations are pretty intuitive, but let me know if there's anything specific you can't figure out.

The color-coding is the specific metric indexed to D1 team averages. The darker green, the better the stat is relative to D1 average. The darker pink/red, the more it deviates in the wrong direction from D1 average. The more shades of green (and darker green), the better the team performance in that metric.

So, for Ross "on", we are better than D1 average (and in many cases, much better than D1 average) in the main team offensive measure (Adj Pts/100) as well as a lot of offensive metrics such as eFG%, We also are much better than D1 average on a ton of defensive metrics. The only one that is "not good" is FT rate (where opponents FT are higher than average. But, we are high across the board no matter who is playing (see "Baseline Defense"), and in fact, the FTR is higher when Ross is out vs. when he is in.

For those who don't know it, KenPom rating is basically based on the difference between Adj Pts/100 for Offense vs. Defense. Plus, some special KenPom sauce to adjust for strength of schedule, pace, and in early season, some metrics from the previous season.
 
Ross is active and we really need his athleticism. The next improvement we need to see from him is when he attacks the rim and is airborne he needs to finish. I don't know if he's getting fouled on those plays but he seems to end up on the ground and the ball goes out of bounds. He's so athletic those should either be fouls drawn or and 1's.
I think at least a couple, he probably got fouled. A couple, he anticipated contact, maybe didn't get as much, and it threw his shot off.

I think the more he attacks, the more he'll make some better decisions.

He had one play last night in the 2nd half where he got the ball in the left corner. He pump faked, went by the defender, and got to a 8-10ft. midrange zone that I really wish he would have just pulled up for a bankshot jumper. He hesitated for a brief fraction of a second, and ended up kicking it out to the top of the key.
 
How often do we need low block defenders, unless on a switch, when AK plays almost the entire game at the 4? We need perimeter defenders.
There’s always switched I constantly see Stew defending down low not sure what you watch. And he’s improved on the perimeter too it’s not like Ross is a lock down guy that everyone is waiting for, he’s not. He’s better as well but there is very little separation in these 2 at all. No one has put a foot forward to say they figured it out.
 
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Here's Stewart's On/Off. Defense is similar, Offense a bit less efficient when he's On.:

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And Solo. Defense a bit less efficient (but not egregiously worse), Offense a bit less efficient when he's On. Note the 2p% Midrange On/Off though...that's definitely influenced by his improved game inside the 3pt line:

Solo-On-Off-11-24-25.jpg
 
They scored only 8 points in the first 5:30 with very disjointed play and many missed 3s and layups. Slow starts like this will not be successful going forward.
 
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Here's Reibe On/Off. This is the whole season. Curious to do some 3-4 game samples as the season progresses. Team defense has some work to do when he's in:

Reibe-On-Off-11-24-25.jpg


Guess who this is:
Koroma-On-Off-11-24-25.jpg
 
Alex has been in one for a year and half.
You must have missed the first 5 games of the season where he was shooting over 60% from three. He was bound to come back to earth.

What's with all the negative hot takes from people?
 
You must have missed the first 5 games of the season where he was shooting over 60% from three. He was bound to come back to earth.

What's with all the negative hot takes from people?
Yeah, I'm not worried about his shooting percentage. I'm worried about him getting his shot off. He's a smart player and he won't take 3s when guarded. So he steps even further outside sometimes, or passes or drives.
 
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Hasheem Thabeet 1/31/09 vs. Providence 15p, 11r, 10b
Thabeet wasn't the most skilled big but he had some truly ridiculous games. 10 blocks and 7 offensive boards in this game. Looked like guys on that Providence team were ready to quit the sport of basketball after
 
I’m an eye test kind of guy. I see improvement in Ross and maybe some in Stewart as well. I see both of them as excellent role players with once again the opportunity to improve. Athleticism is not in question with Ross at all but he still has a ways to go to be a primary contributor both on offense and defense. Somebody said that Reibe has slow feet. I don’t see that at all. For a 7 footer, I think that as a freshman he is showing that he can contribute. Clingan came in to his own as a sophomore, I think that this kid is ahead of him. Don’t get me wrong, when it comes to defense, I don’t think he is ever going to be where Clingan was and is. I don’t think that he has the length for it but on offense I just see this kid getting better and better with minutes played. It will be fun watching this group come along when they are healthy.
 
I’m an eye test kind of guy. I see improvement in Ross and maybe some in Stewart as well. I see both of them as excellent role players with once again the opportunity to improve. Athleticism is not in question with Ross at all but he still has a ways to go to be a primary contributor both on offense and defense. Somebody said that Reibe has slow feet. I don’t see that at all. For a 7 footer, I think that as a freshman he is showing that he can contribute. Clingan came in to his own as a sophomore, I think that this kid is ahead of him. Don’t get me wrong, when it comes to defense, I don’t think he is ever going to be where Clingan was and is. I don’t think that he has the length for it but on offense I just see this kid getting better and better with minutes played. It will be fun watching this group come along when they are healthy.
Riebe needs to DUNK the ball rather than trying to lay it up onto the backboard and miss. Donavan had this problem when he 1st started too. Perhaps he has been instructed not to dunk it?
 
Riebe needs to DUNK the ball rather than trying to lay it up onto the backboard and miss. Donavan had this problem when he 1st started too. Perhaps he has been instructed not to dunk it?
Silas’s 10th assist ended with a Reibe dunk.
 
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