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storrsroars said:
Lunardi's rep is built on fact he's usually right on who gets in, though not actual seeds. In Lundardi's world, NC State leapfrogged seven teams to get in.

For all the griping about SMU's OOC sked, NC State LOST to NC Central (RPI 102), with in-conference losses to Wake (112) and Miami (110). And the lost at home to Mizzou, one of the teams they leapfrogged. Three of NC State's wins were against teams with RPIs of 300+.

Whatever one's argument over SMU not doing enough to get in, NC State did even less.

This is all about politics, from K's whining to who's on the committee.
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Look at BYU. Don't even need to look at NC St. to compare. BYU had hideous losses.
 
Senore said:
Stashing a whole conference in one regional is the ultimate in dismissal. That's so bad, it's not just insulting, it's destructive to the sport itself. Ever feel like fodder?

I love you guys' draw. Wish it was us, lol. We're in a wringer.
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A lot of us are shocked at UL as a #4, but we also expect to see you at the FF. Just keep winning, make them regret their choices.
 
SMU is the only one that really got screwed. Everyone else has a chance to prove their merit on the court.
 
We need to be one of the teams that helps disprove the committee's hard on for the A10……….they must have a had a circle jerk in that room while discussing the A10 so there's another reason to have a chip on our shoulder while playing Thursday………..
 
Fishy said:
What does Lunardi have to do with this?

The committee rated UMass higher than UConn.

If you think that's okay...
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Normally I would not view that as acceptable but I do love our draw.
 
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Brown's comments sound like those of someone who is about to bail out.
 
Fishy said:
UConn was knocked down two seeds "just because" - they reaped nothing from their out of conference schedule.

I wonder what our seed was prior to beating Cincy on Friday...
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Luckily we beat Memphis and Cincy, otherwise we would have been left out of the tournament. [/sarcasm]
 
Louisville is partly to blame here. They are the measuring stick for the conference as a whole and played two ranked teams OOC and lost to both of them. That killed the RPI they carried into conference play.

A-10 was over rewarded for early season play.
 
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if a member from an AAC school was on the committee, especially the chair, SMU is in and somebody else is out. Louisville is a 2, Cinci & CT 5's.
 
tdrink said:
Louisville is partly to blame here. They are the measuring stick for the conference as a whole and played two ranked teams OOC and lost to both of them. That killed the RPI they carried into conference play.

A-10 was over rewarded for early season play.
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UConn didn't have a bad OOC.
 
pj said:
SMU is the only one that really got screwed. Everyone else has a chance to prove their merit on the court.
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Uhhh kinda. 3 of 4 teams all got lumped into one region to prevent the conference from doing exactly that... proving itself.
 
SMU being out is awful but seeding is a big problem. When you're a lower seed, you make less $$ for the conference.
 
VAHuskyFan said:
We were only "knocked down" two seeds relative to the imaginary seedings in Joe Lunardi's head.
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Hardly. They got knocked down two seeds from where the entire rest of the universe would project them to be.
 
UChusky916 said:
Uhhh kinda. 3 of 4 teams all got lumped into one region to prevent the conference from doing exactly that... proving itself.
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Memphis gets an opportunity to beat GW and Virginia before it would meet an AAC team. Cincy gets the opportunity to beat Harvard and Michigan State. UConn gets the opportunity to beat St Joe's and Nova and UNC or Iowa State before it could meet an AAC team. Ville has to go through the whole field before it could meet an AAC team.

If AAC teams win sufficiently to start beating each other up, they'll already have proven themselves.
 
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upstater said:
SMU being out is awful but seeding is a big problem. When you're a lower seed, you make less for the conference.
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Only if you lose ... and seeding was random enough that, with parity already present in college ball, there's not a lot of difference in facing a higher seed than a lower seed. Many of the high seeds were overseeded. I think each of the AAC teams has the potential to make a run. Cincy has the hardest road relative to seed, having to face B1G champ Michigan State in the second round. Other than that I don't think there's any great ground for complaint. Yes, UConn was underseeded at 7, but we were gifted with an overseeded Nova at 2, so it's not so bad. Yes, Memphis is an 8, about what they deserve, but they have the type of team speed that could create trouble for UVa, just as they were able to create trouble for Louisville. I feel for Cincy but their road is hard because MSU was underseeded as much as because Cincy was underseeded. SMU has the major ground to complain.
 
upstater said:
UConn didn't have a bad OOC.
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But Uconn lost 3 times to a team that did have a bad OOC. I'm not defending the rationale, just showing how the case is made. Ville's OOC losses dragged down the RPI of the whole conference.
 
Fishy said:
UConn was knocked down two seeds "just because" - they reaped nothing from their out of conference schedule.

I wonder what our seed was prior to beating Cincy on Friday...
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UConn would have been an 8/9 seed playing in Orlando with a date with Florida, also in Orlando, in round 2.
 
tdrink said:
But Uconn lost 3 times to a team that did have a bad OOC. I'm not defending the rationale, just showing how the case is made. Ville's OOC losses dragged down the RPI of the whole conference.
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The problem with this is that UConn's RPI was above a 7 seed and UConn's SOS was #22, also above a 7 seed. if you give any credit at all for handing the #1 team in the nation one of their 2 losses, you are left scratching your head at how these decisions came about. If you're telling me it's strictly by the numbers and not by the eye test, then how do you explain the seed that is lower than all the numbers?
 
pj said:
Only if you lose ... and seeding was random enough that, with parity already present in college ball, there's not a lot of difference in facing a higher seed than a lower seed. Many of the high seeds were overseeded. I think each of the AAC teams has the potential to make a run. Cincy has the hardest road relative to seed, having to face B1G champ Michigan State in the second round. Other than that I don't think there's any great ground for complaint. Yes, UConn was underseeded at 7, but we were gifted with an overseeded Nova at 2, so it's not so bad. Yes, Memphis is an 8, about what they deserve, but they have the type of team speed that could create trouble for UVa, just as they were able to create trouble for Louisville. I feel for Cincy but their road is hard because MSU was underseeded as much as because Cincy was underseeded. SMU has the major ground to complain.
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Sure, you can win out. Or lose in the first game. But the odds say that teams with better seeds will win more games and make more money for their conference.

5 AAC teams properly seeded in different regions is a big money winner for the conference.
 
upstater said:
The problem with this is that UConn's RPI was above a 7 seed and UConn's SOS was #22, also above a 7 seed. if you give any credit at all for handing the #1 team in the nation one of their 2 losses, you are left scratching your head at how these decisions came about. If you're telling me it's strictly by the numbers and not by the eye test, then how do you explain the seed that is lower than all the numbers?
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Agree. Forget about the eye test, UConn's seedings fail the math test.
 
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upstater said:
Sure, you can win out. Or lose in the first game. But the odds say that teams with better seeds will win more games and make more money for their conference.

5 AAC teams properly seeded in different regions is a big money winner for the conference.
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When you put 75% of a conference's seeds in the same bracket they cancel each other out, which does cost the league an opportunity to generate a greater amount of NCAA credits.
 
upstater said:
The problem with this is that UConn's RPI was above a 7 seed and UConn's SOS was #22, also above a 7 seed. if you give any credit at all for handing the #1 team in the nation one of their 2 losses, you are left scratching your head at how these decisions came about. If you're telling me it's strictly by the numbers and not by the eye test, then how do you explain the seed that is lower than all the numbers?
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Because we are talking about the NCAA and UConn. The rules that apply to most schools have never applied to UConn and it does not help that the Basketball selection committee was chaired by a ACC school, though Wake, if rumors are true, is not one of the anti-UConn members. Just look at UConn’s APR suspension versus UNC’s fraudulent classes, realignment over the last 10 years, treatment of UConn at the Fiesta Bowl, etc.
 
If you look at who got marginalized I think it has more to do with the conference than specifically UConn. The P5 conferences do not want the AAC to be a 4 or 5 bid conference. By putting 3 top 25 teams in the same bracket it limits the potential for an "embarrassing" AAC final four. The reality is that games against the top 5 teams in the AAC conference helped prepare them for the tourney. I hope it pays off. And I'll be rooting for SMU to be the NIT champ. . .
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Because we are talking about the NCAA and UConn. The rules that apply to most schools have never applied to UConn and it does not help that the Basketball selection committee was chaired by a ACC school, though Wake, if rumors are true, is not one of the anti-UConn members. Just look at UConn’s APR suspension versus UNC’s fraudulent classes, realignment over the last 10 years, treatment of UConn at the Fiesta Bowl, etc.
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This was about money, pure and simple. Universities have gotten used to feeding political constituencies with more money every year but are struggling to grow revenue. They are looking for money everywhere. Since the total pot is largely fixed, they are trying to take it from other universities. Conference realignment is about taking money from networks and other conferences. Even basketball seedings are in this.

The AAC happened to have no one on the committee this year and two ACC members were there.

Not sure what we can do about it, except compete. No one ever said life was fair.
 
tdrink said:
But Uconn lost 3 times to a team that did have a bad OOC. I'm not defending the rationale, just showing how the case is made. Ville's OOC losses dragged down the RPI of the whole conference.
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Why doesn't our beating the #1 seed count for anything?
 
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