Brionna jones

[Geew1992]

isn't getting any run?? Kind of surprised she hasn't gotten in the game

 

[lanieer]

Lots of decisions Curt Miller made that I'm not to sure about. That crazy technical really cost them bad.

 

[MilfordHusky]

What's Alyssa Thomas's status?

 

[Geew1992]

What's Alyssa Thomas's status?

Concussion protocol

 

[MilfordHusky]

Concussion protocol

Ouch!! Thanks.

 

[easttexastrash]

isn't getting any run?? Kind of surprised she hasn't gotten in the game

But wasn't she thought to be the best post player in the nation last season, next to Coates?

 

[SCGamecock]

But wasn't she thought to be the best post player in the nation last season, next to Coates?

BETTER than Coates, according to a lot of people here. Some people said she'd be better than Coates at the next level as well.

I just wish Coates was 100% healthy.

 

[Geew1992]

I get Danielle Adams is hitting 3s but there's no way I'm playin her over jones. Adams can barely move

 

[UConnCat]

In defense of those who think Jones is better than Coates, I'm sure those opinions are based at least in part on how they played against UConn. Jones played very well against UConn, particularly in the 2015 match-up at MSG, while Coates did not. In 3 games against UConn, Jones averaged 19 points/8 rebounds. In 3 games against UConn, Coates averaged 6 points/9 rebounds.

Coates is bigger, stronger and faster than Jones. It was a mystery to many why Coates didn't play better against UConn's smaller defenders (Tuck and Collier/Williams). Maybe Maryland was able to isolate Jones more because she didn't share the lane with a player like Wilson.

 

[DICKG]

Lots of decisions Curt Miller made that I'm not to sure about. That crazy technical really cost them bad.

I hate when coaches use all of their timeouts. If he had one left, they would have a better shot at the end. I, too, question some of his decisions.

 

[Shades]

I hate when coaches use all of their timeouts. If he had one left, they would have a better shot at the end. I, too, question some of his decisions.

Here's one of his more questionable decisions.

Miller has done nothing to deserve feeling arrogant enough to take a disparaging shot at WNBA enthusiasts, the same group that keeps him employed. How does he still have a job after that crack? Maybe he was also taking a shot the media, since none of them had Akhator in the Top 8 in their mock drafts. I dunno.... unnecessary nonsensical comment from him.

 

[UConnCat]

Here's one of his more questionable decisions.

Miller has done nothing to deserve feeling arrogant enough to take a disparaging shot at WNBA enthusiasts, the same group that keeps him employed. How does he still have a job after that crack? Maybe he was also taking a shot the media, since none of them had Akhator in the Top 8 in their mock drafts. I dunno.... unnecessary nonsensical comment from him.

Wait, what? Miller owes his job to WNBA enthusiasts who post mock drafts? He should lose his job over that?

Come on.

 

[Shades]

Wait, what? Miller owes his job to WNBA enthusiasts who post mock drafts? He should lose his job over that?

Come on.

The people who post mock drafts are promoting the game, showing enthusiasm towards a sport many don't take seriously. People who post mock drafts also contribute to attendance and viewership numbers, buy merchandise and such. Who ultimately pays his salary? If he doesn't want to appreciate all WNBA fans, he should coach in Russia or something. Show respeck, Miller.

 

[UConnCat]

The people who post mock drafts are promoting the game, showing enthusiasm towards a sport many don't take seriously. People who post mock drafts also contribute to attendance and viewership numbers, buy merchandise and such. Who ultimately pays his salary? If he doesn't want to appreciate all WNBA fans, he should coach in Russia or something. Show respeck, Miller.

Oh for god's sake. If Sun management has to be worried about not offending people who post already forgotten mock drafts in order to keep attendance up then that team and the WNBA are in a whole heap of trouble. Somehow, in some way, I suspect Sun attendance will survive Miller mocking those nameless, faceless and forgotten few who posted mock WNBA 2017 drafts. And yes, I'm mocking your post.

 

[triaddukefan]

Now I'm curious as to where B. Jones was projected to go in these various mock drafts

 

[UConnCat]

Now I'm curious as to where B. Jones was projected to go in these various mock drafts

I know it's hard to keep up, what with all that's going on in the Diana Taurasi is a punk thread. You've been busy.

I have no idea where Jones was projected to go. I'm one of the relatively few fans who pays no attention to mock drafts which explains my indifference to Miller's comments.

 

[Shades]

Now I'm curious as to where B. Jones was projected to go in these various mock drafts

Higher than Akhator, that's for sure.

Oh for god's sake. If Sun management has to be worried about not offending people who post already forgotten mock drafts in order to keep attendance up then that team and the WNBA are in a whole heap of trouble. Somehow, in some way, I suspect Sun attendance will survive Miller mocking those nameless, faceless and forgotten few who posted mock WNBA 2017 drafts. And yes, I'm mocking your post.

Your angle seems to be it's so few people he's offending (and you're not one of them), so why worry about it.... instead of why is he offending anybody in the first place. Every fan matters. Yes, they'll survive this if that's the only goal. It wouldn't hurt to always show some class. And what's with the stereotyping? It's surprising that a member of the LBGTQ is stereotyping Internet users as losers. His attitude is what is in the basement. So is his team.

 

[UConnCat]

Higher than Akhator, that's for sure.



Your angle seems to be it's so few people he's offending (and you're not one of them), so why worry about it.... instead of why is he offending anybody in the first place. Every fan matters. Yes, they'll survive this if that's the only goal. It wouldn't hurt to always show some class. And what's with the stereotyping? It's surprising that a member of the LBGTQ is stereotyping Internet users as losers. His attitude is what is in the basement. So is his team.

I don't have an angle. I think your positions on Miller's comment are ridiculous.

Just to recap your positions:

1) Miller's comments disparaged WNBA enthusiasts who post mock drafts;
2) Those few (5-10?) enthusiasts keep him employed;
3) he's lucky he still has his job;
4) he has stereotyped Internet Users as losers;
5) he lacks class; and
6) how could a member of the LBGTQ community say such a thing.

All that because Miller said this: The WNBA coaches see it a lot differently than people sitting in their basement on the web, Miller said with a smile.

Maybe I'm just a jaded fan who doesn't dwell in the Rebkell bubble and who has read and heard too many Geno Auriemma comments during the past 25 years. Or, maybe this doesn't even rise to the level of a blip.

 

[SCGamecock]

In defense of those who think Jones is better than Coates, I'm sure those opinions are based at least in part on how they played against UConn. Jones played very well against UConn, particularly in the 2015 match-up at MSG, while Coates did not. In 3 games against UConn, Jones averaged 19 points/8 rebounds. In 3 games against UConn, Coates averaged 6 points/9 rebounds.

Coates is bigger, stronger and faster than Jones. It was a mystery to many why Coates didn't play better against UConn's smaller defenders (Tuck and Collier/Williams). Maybe Maryland was able to isolate Jones more because she didn't share the lane with a player like Wilson.

Maryland spreads you out more. You have to play close on the perimeter when you played them. With SC, you can sag in the paint and set up camp there.. eliminating our post players. Coates doesn't stray farther than 10 feet from the goal.. whereas Wilson likes to hang out on the wings and work her way to high post and you have to guard her out there, hence why Wilson always performed better vs. UConn.. you have to guard her all over the floor.

 

[baggerbob]

Maryland spreads you out more. You have to play close on the perimeter when you played them. With SC, you can sag in the paint and set up camp there.. eliminating our post players. Coates doesn't stray farther than 10 feet from the goal.. whereas Wilson likes to hang out on the wings and work her way to high post and you have to guard her out there, hence why Wilson always performed better vs. UConn.. you have to guard her all over the floor.

Also playing around christmas time for Maryland, and playing in February against South Carolina. Geno has his team working its way to march by the time they play South Carolina, and his rotation is set.

 

[Ukonnfan]

Here's one of his more questionable decisions.

Miller has done nothing to deserve feeling arrogant enough to take a disparaging shot at WNBA enthusiasts, the same group that keeps him employed. How does he still have a job after that crack? Maybe he was also taking a shot the media, since none of them had Akhator in the Top 8 in their mock drafts. I dunno.... unnecessary nonsensical comment from him.

He sounds Geno-esque to me.

Some rookies need time to adjust to the speed. I feel like it's mostly post players who encounter this. Maybe Brianna is encountering this. Don't know, give the coach a break.

 

[SCGamecock]

Also playing around christmas time for Maryland, and playing in February against South Carolina. Geno has his team working its way to march by the time they play South Carolina, and his rotation is set.

Also this.

 

[UConnCat]

Also playing around christmas time for Maryland, and playing in February against South Carolina. Geno has his team working its way to march by the time they play South Carolina, and his rotation is set.

Nah. Jones played well against UConn as a sophomore in the Final Four. She was Maryland's leading scorer in that game. Coates just struggled against UConn in ways Jones did not. There are probably a few reasons but timing on the schedule is not one of them. It would seem South Carolina and Coates should have been working their way to March too, no?

 

[CocoHusky]

Maryland spreads you out more. You have to play close on the perimeter when you played them. With SC, you can sag in the paint and set up camp there.. eliminating our post players.

Maryland also had for the 2015-16 season the nations best 3PT Bomber on the squad in Shatori Walker-Kimbrough. Shatori didn't fall much either for the 2016-17 season, she finished 8th nationally in 3PT FG% . When you combine the nation's best shooter by FG% in Jones with nation's best 3PT bomber you have to guard the entire floor not just the perimeter. SC rosters under Dawn has never had an adequate 3Pt bomber to compliment post play.

 

[SCGamecock]

Maryland also had for the 2015-16 season the nations best 3PT Bomber on the squad in Shatori Walker-Kimbrough. Shatori didn't fall much either for the 2016-17 season, she finished 8th nationally in 3PT FG% . When you combine the nation's best shooter by FG% in Jones with nation's best 3PT bomber you have to guard the entire floor not just the perimeter. SC rosters under Dawn has never had an adequate 3Pt bomber to compliment post play.

Exactly.

 

[SCGamecock]

Nah. Jones played well against UConn as a sophomore in the Final Four. She was Maryland's leading scorer in that game. Coates just struggled against UConn in ways Jones did not. There are probably a few reasons but timing on the schedule is not one of them. It would seem South Carolina and Coates should have been working their way to March too, no?

I think the point is that during the regular season.. South Carolina and Maryland hardly ever played the same Connecticut team. Some teams elevate their play for tournaments as well, which helps explain why you see close games between teams that shouldn't be neck and neck. That environment encourages it.

Regardless of who the opponent is and how talented they may be, based on scheduling.. one team is playing a Connecticut team in tournament mode and the other is playing a Connecticut team still tinkering with it's roster essentially.

I gave my reasoning for why I think Coates struggled against Connecticut.. and it's mostly due to the makeup of South Carolina vs. Maryland, one team spreads you out and hits their shots while the other team likes to get it inside. Connecticut has less trouble defending teams with post-centric offenses, but with Maryland, you have Jones and 3-4 other perimeter threats to defend. With that said, I still think scheduling played a part as well, however small.

 

[UConnCat]

I think the point is that during the regular season.. South Carolina and Maryland hardly ever played the same Connecticut team. Some teams elevate their play for tournaments as well, which helps explain why you see close games between teams that shouldn't be neck and neck. That environment encourages it.

Regardless of who the opponent is and how talented they may be, based on scheduling.. one team is playing a Connecticut team in tournament mode and the other is playing a Connecticut team still tinkering with it's roster essentially.

I gave my reasoning for why I think Coates struggled against Connecticut.. and it's mostly due to the makeup of South Carolina vs. Maryland, one team spreads you out and hits their shots while the other team likes to get it inside. Connecticut has less trouble defending teams with post-centric offenses, but with Maryland, you have Jones and 3-4 other perimeter threats to defend. With that said, I still think scheduling played a part as well, however small.

Scheduling played no role unless, as you seem to suggest, the only variable is UConn. If UConn was in tournament mode than why wasn't South Carolina? Plus, when SC and UConn met in 2015 and 2016 it was #1 vs #2 and in 2017 UConn's 100-game winning streak was on the line. For both teams, the stage doesn't get much bigger than that.

I do think Maryland did a better job of isolating Jones in the lane against undersized defenders. I also think Coates was unable to meet the moment(s). It happens.

 

[SCGamecock]

Scheduling played no role unless, as you seem to suggest, the only variable is UConn. If UConn was in tournament mode than why wasn't South Carolina? Plus, when SC and UConn met in 2015 and 2016 it was #1 vs #2 and in 2017 UConn's 100-game winning streak was on the line. For both teams, the stage doesn't get much bigger than that.

I do think Maryland did a better job of isolating Jones in the lane against undersized defenders. I also think Coates was unable to meet the moment(s). It happens.

Scheduling played a role, but not the only role... when you play a team does matter, it's absurd to suggest it doesn't. You can ask any coach in America when they'd rather play UConn and I'm willing to bet almost all of them are going to say earlier in the year.

"If UConn was in tournament mode than why wasn't South Carolina? Plus, when SC and UConn met in 2015 and 2016 it was #1 vs #2 and in 2017 UConn's 100-game winning streak was on the line"

Perhaps SC was in tournament mode, but then it comes down to simple matchups and talent. Don't forget who UConn had on it's roster in 2015 or 2016. As good as SC was, the Gamecocks didn't match up to UConn talent wise in 2015 or 2016.. in fact, one could argue that the first year SC was even with UConn in talent was this year.. and SC still lost, so then you look at things like coaching decisions, game plans and home vs. away. So, aside from scheduling, UConn had the advantage there as well. Of course I'm speaking hypothetically, but I don't think SC loses that same game at home, not this year's.. I'm sure we disagree there. You may ask why I'm introducing all of these variables to the conversation, but it's simply to illustrate that so much more goes into how effective a player is versus a given team than the player themselves.

But I already explained the biggest reason IMO for Coates ineffectiveness vs. UConn, and it really had nothing to do with Coates at all.. mostly the people around her. It's really simple basketball, no reason to complicate it... Jones had better shooters around her to open up the inside, Coates did not. Jones operated in an offense that exposes UConn. This year, UConn had nobody on roster that could stop Coates or Wilson one-on-one, and they still lost.. why? A lot of that had to deal with the other 3-4 players around them. You said it yourself, "I do think Maryland did a better job of isolating Jones in the lane against undersized defenders."..

 

[baggerbob]

If time of year meant nothing, then why was the only loss in Stewie, Moriah, and Morgan's last 3 years, the 2nd game of their junior year. It was because Geno didn't have a set rotation against Stanford, because he didn't have enough games to work players into a proper rotation.

 

[UConnCat]

If time of year meant nothing, then why was the only loss in Stewie, Moriah, and Morgan's last 3 years, the 2nd game of their junior year. It was because Geno didn't have a set rotation against Stanford, because he didn't have enough games to work players into a proper rotation.

Why did this year's team lose on March 31 to a team with inferior talent? Thirty-six games in to the season there was no more tinkering with the roster, the proper rotation was set.

I was responding to the argument that Jones played better against UConn than Coates did because the Maryland games were in December and the SC games were in February. I didn't think that was a good reason inasmuch as Jones played well against UConn in March too. UConn just found Jones to be a tougher matchup than Coates and I don't think it mattered when they played.