Bouk nailed to the bench in opener

[Chief00]

The consensus of the board is that whatever difference an extra year of college would make in his career outcome, it's not worth the money he'd lose by starting his pro career a year later. And that's what I agree with.

@pj let’s be honest, the consensus on this board hasn’t exactly nailed this one. In fact, many in that consensus seem to be denial dealing with what has happened to date. What we are really talking about is delaying 1 season to be better able to capitalized on his window of opportunity. The window of opportunity is often a brief one in the NBA and getting back to The League has proven to be very difficult for many guys.
He can more than make up that 4 million in a blink of an eye in his second contract if gets off to a good start during that window that you won’t likely get back.

 

[huskiesNhoos]

Kuminga and Moody both sent to G league (Kuminga already recalled, but likely to be heading back) in case anyone needed precedent for lottery picks (in Bouk's draft class even) going that route rather than getting immediate PT

 

[Northbound]

Everyone here wants the guy to succeed, but he currently has fundamental flaws that any objective observer could/can see.

1) Does not have an NBA body
2) Isn’t a strong defender
3) Doesn’t create for others

It’s not the end of the world. It’ll come down to how much he wants to work at it.

He needs to learn thst Its a cold world even when its hot outside

 

[auror]

It’s amazing how little confidence so many here have in James long term.

This is rich coming from the guy saying he wasn't ready and should go back to school? Someone with confidence with a guy would say if he's a lottery pick he should go and figure it out.

 

[UconnU]

Watching the game, Lamelo Ball is an absolute stud. Not many guards in the league playing better right now.

 

[Chief00]

Watching the game, Lamelo Ball is an absolute stud. Not many guards in the league playing better right now.

Yes, Ball is a stud and it starts with his understanding of the game and his creative passing ability. When Chief sits down with a young gun, Chief always reminds them how important these two things are to success. Is my good friend in Charlotte or is it Greensboro listening?

 

[Psolo12]

Yes, Ball is a stud and it starts with his understanding of the game and his creative passing ability. When Chief sits down with a young gun, Chief always reminds them how important these two things are to success. Is my good friend in Charlotte or is it Greensboro listening?

You sit down with prominent young NBA guards and tell them that they need to understand the game and be creative with their passing? Do you hear yourself sometimes?

 

[8893]

You sit down with prominent young NBA guards and tell them that they need to understand the game and be creative with their passing?

Please dude, don't be ridiculous: not just the guards, all of them.

 

[HooperScooper]

Please dude, don't be ridiculous: not just the guards, all of them.

LeBron wouldn't have been LeBron without Chief.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

This is such a useless argument. It has nothing to do with Bouknight. It has to do with Chief needing to not only be right, but have everyone else be wrong. Bouknight can turn into a stud in this league and with 100% certainty, we all know Chief will be here telling us how he would have been even better had he stayed another year.

 

[pj]

@pj let’s be honest, the consensus on this board hasn’t exactly nailed this one. In fact, many in that consensus seem to be denial dealing with what has happened to date. What we are really talking about is delaying 1 season to be better able to capitalized on his window of opportunity. The window of opportunity is often a brief one in the NBA and getting back to The League has proven to be very difficult for many guys.
He can more than make up that 4 million in a blink of an eye in his second contract if gets off to a good start during that window that you won’t likely get back.

Hi Chief, maybe you're right, but we Internet observers are too far removed from James and his personal situation to reach the conclusion you've reached. I'd guess that for 95% of players, the right decision would be to take the NBA money. Maybe James falls in the 5% for whom more time in college would bring more benefits than millions of NBA dollars and full-tine NBA coaching. But we can't know that. You may be closer to the situation than the rest of us, but James and his family and advisors are even closer and they thought the NBA was his best option. I won't second guess them.

 

[Chief00]

Hi Chief, maybe you're right, but we Internet observers are too far removed from James and his personal situation to reach the conclusion you've reached. I'd guess that for 95% of players, the right decision would be to take the NBA money. Maybe James falls in the 5% for whom more time in college would bring more benefits than millions of NBA dollars and full-tine NBA coaching. But we can't know that. You may be closer to the situation than the rest of us, but James and his family and advisors are even closer and they thought the NBA was his best option. I won't second guess them.

Generally good post, but I would question the accolades about James advisors. While they were physically closer to the situation, their amateur hour approach really did James a disservice. I remember James sitting there draft night after apparently being told he was a top 5 or 6 by the yes men. While it was just half a dozen picks to 11, watching the it unfold in slow motion was really painful and all preventable.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Generally good post, but I would question the accolades about James advisors. While they were physically closer to the situation, their amateur hour approach really did James a disservice. I remember James sitting there draft night after apparently being told he was a top 5 or 6 by the yes men. While it was just half a dozen picks to 11, watching the it unfold in slow motion was really painful and all preventable.

Leading up to draft day, you said he should stay in school because he wasn't a lottery pick. Don't move the goalposts. Just stop.

 

[Chief00]

Leading up to draft day, you said he should stay in school because he wasn't a lottery pick. Don't move the goalposts. Just stop.

That’s not what I said. Initially, Chief had James 15-17 but then with the tragic death of a player slotted above him, he would be 14-16. He went 11. Then, I was kicked out of the thread due to complaints from uninformed people like you. James did improve his draft position to 7-9 per one scout I talked to who worked for a team without a lottery pick. But, of course teams that had those picks did more research.
But, all that is missing the point, which you excel at. It wasn’t in his long term interest, it would have been better to stay in school and mature both as a person and basketball wise. The money would take care of itself if he did that. Again, we are talking about a one year delay.

 

[CTBasketball]

G League James lol

He’ll get his shot but he has to work for it. I also think he needs to get out of Charlotte.

 

[Get a Job]

That’s not what I said. Initially, Chief had James 15-17 but then with the tragic death of a player slotted above him, he would be 14-16. He went 11. Then, I was kicked out of the thread due to complaints from uninformed people like you. James did improve his draft position to 7-9 per one scout I talked to who worked for a team without a lottery pick. But, of course teams that had those picks did more research.
But, all that is missing the point, which you excel at. It wasn’t in his long term interest, it would have been better to stay in school and mature both as a person and basketball wise. The money would take care of itself if he did that. Again, we are talking about a one year delay.

What are the odds that something could have happened to him in his next year that could have resulted in a loss of ability to earn money from basketball? Are those odds greater than 0? If so, the possible scenarios are:

1. Enter draft. 100% chance of making a few million dollars. Decent chance of making dozens of millions.
2. Stay another year. High probability of making more money than scenario 1 (taking your argument for granted), BUT a non-zero probability of making $0 in basketball. Also a non-zero chance of being able to play professionally, but still make far less than scenario 1.

Why would you ever advise someone to take option 2?

 

[Chief00]

What are the odds that something could have happened to him in his next year that could have resulted in a loss of ability to earn money from basketball? Are those odds greater than 0? If so, the possible scenarios are:

1. Enter draft. 100% chance of making a few million dollars. Decent chance of making dozens of millions.
2. Stay another year. High probability of making more money than scenario 1 (taking your argument for granted), BUT a non-zero probability of making $0 in basketball. Also a non-zero chance of being able to play professionally, but still make far less than scenario 1.

Why would you ever advise someone to take option 2?

Excellence isn’t with zero risks. How many people who rise to the tops of their profession take that approach. I also must remind everyone top college players are insured.
Chief has successfully mentored people in business and it’s always about building the foundation the early years - not about no risks or a few dollars earlier.

 

[krinklecut]

Excellence isn’t with zero risks. How many people who rise to the tops of their profession take that approach. I also must remind everyone top college players are insured.
Chief has successfully mentored people in business and it’s always about building the foundation the early years - not about no risks or a few dollars earlier.

Being able to provide for your family and remove them from a less-than-ideal situation as quickly as you can is not “a few dollars earlier.” Good god.

 

[husky429]

What are the odds that something could have happened to him in his next year that could have resulted in a loss of ability to earn money from basketball? Are those odds greater than 0? If so, the possible scenarios are:

1. Enter draft. 100% chance of making a few million dollars. Decent chance of making dozens of millions.
2. Stay another year. High probability of making more money than scenario 1 (taking your argument for granted), BUT a non-zero probability of making $0 in basketball. Also a non-zero chance of being able to play professionally, but still make far less than scenario 1.

Why would you ever advise someone to take option 2?

Well, some people are really, really stupid. It's a good thing our coaching staff is not.

 

[Chin Diesel]

G League James lol

He’ll get his shot but he has to work for it. I also think he needs to get out of Charlotte.

G League James. Has a ring to it like Playoff P.

 

[UConnSwag11]

wtf happened to this thread?

 

[8893]

happened to this thread?

 

[RayRay]

I have a new take on this situation. I keep seeing other lottery picks in the g-league, such as Keon Johnson, Moody and Kuminga, to name a few, so it doesn’t make sense that Bouk would just be taking up a bench seat while being out of the rotation and NOT be getting some practice in the g-league. So, here’s my take, Borrego is not only making him earn a spot, but Borrego knows he’s one of the better players on the team, is seeing this in practice, and is just getting inside Bouks head to see if he’ll shift into that 5th gear of playing hard, especially on D. I don’t think it will be much longer before he finally puts him on the floor within the rotation.

Or Charlotte just doesn’t know why they’re doing and he’ll eventually get some burn in the g-league!

 

[CTBasketball]

I have a new take on this situation. I keep seeing other lottery picks in the g-league, such as Keon Johnson, Moody and Kuminga, to name a few, so it doesn’t make sense that Bouk would just be taking up a bench seat while being out of the rotation and NOT be getting some practice in the g-league. So, here’s my take, Borrego is not only making him earn a spot, but Borrego knows he’s one of the better players on the team, is seeing this in practice, and is just getting inside Bouks head to see if he’ll shift into that 5th gear of playing hard, especially on D. I don’t think it will be much longer before he finally puts him on the floor within the rotation.

Or Charlotte just doesn’t know why they’re doing and he’ll eventually get some burn in the g-league!

If he was one of the better players on the team, he’d be playing.

As long as Oubre keeps killing it off the bench, Bouk will keep sitting. There’s no reason to throw him out there right now.

 

[rollskies]

Bouknight and Kai Jones were just sent to Greensboro Swarm G-League. At least he will finally get some reps and be able to play. Also, Donyell Marshall is an assistant coach of the Swarm so that’s a cool connection.

Honestly, as much as I didn’t want to see this I think it beats sitting on the bench full time. I’m sure him and Kai will both be going back and forth between the two.

 

[8893]

Bouknight and Kai Jones were just sent to Greensboro Swarm G-League. At least he will finally get some reps and be able to play. Also, Donyell Marshall is an assistant coach of the Swarm so that’s a cool connection.

Honestly, as much as I didn’t want to see this I think it beats sitting on the bench full time. I’m sure him and Kai will both be going back and forth between the two.

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