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for wins all time. Next season they will be in the 2nd and 3rd spots behind koach Krap...if they stick around. Doooomed!
 
I read Calhoun will pass rupp later this season? I believe
 
Who cares about that traitor Boeheim? He is dead to me.
 
Both should easily pass Rupp (876) and Dean Smith (879) this season (doomed). Passing Knight (902) next season is not certain, given an expected drop off in talent next season - it may pivot on how far past smith they go this season. (doomed)

Jim C = 855
Jim B = 856

UConnSwag11 said:
I read Calhoun will pass rupp later this season? I believe
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Waquoit said:
Who cares about that traitor Boeheim? He is dead to me.
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Eh, it's not like he wanted this to happen. The Syracuse administration did this, and he was shocked. I'm not holding against Syracuse or Pitt what I would have wanted UConn to do. BC and Miami, on the other hand...
 
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uconndoit said:
Both should easily pass Rupp (876) and Dean Smith (879) this season (doomed). Passing Knight (902) next season is not certain, given an expected drop off in talent next season - it may pivot on how far past smith they go this season. (doomed)

Jim C = 855
Jim B = 856
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If he stays, JC should pass Knight. Gotta think they can avg 23.5 wins over the next 2 seasons.
 
Yes, it's very very likely given that they will do very well this season - which seems like it will be the case. (doomed)

Only 2 times since 1993-1994 have they not won at least 47 games over 2 seasons: 2006-2008 and 1999-2001.

They won less than 47 games over 2 seasons 4 times before the 1994-1995 season (in the Calhoun era).

doomed.
 
And actually the cut off should be 48 games since 47 only puts JC in a tie with knight. JC has won less than 48 games over 2 years 4 times since 93-94. 2 times in the past 5 seasons.
 
Waquoit said:
Who cares about that traitor Boeheim? He is dead to me.
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I still like Boeheim, I don't think he had a hand in it, he loved the BE and he was more or less forced to say what he said about the changes.
 
jibsey said:
I still like Boeheim, I don't think he had a hand in it, he loved the BE and he was more or less forced to say what he said about the changes.
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He was on PTI right after the jump blowing kisses to his new league. I doubt he was forced to go on that victory tour. I'm sure it was his choice.
 
Waquoit said:
He was on PTI right after the jump blowing kisses to his new league. I doubt he was forced to go on that victory tour. I'm sure it was his choice.
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They had him, two nights later, at a speech and his whole point was that he was blindsided by the whole thing. He then made fun of Greensboro.

If you think he's an out and out liar, fine. I don't. The guy is BE through and through.
 
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uconndoit said:
And actually the cut off should be 48 games since 47 only puts JC in a tie with knight. JC has won less than 48 games over 2 years 4 times since 93-94. 2 times in the past 5 seasons.
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I'm assuming JC doesn't get credit for any Ws during the three-game suspension, right?

That means, assuming we win all three (doomed, i know), the magic number is more like 51 for the team overall for the next two years.

28 this year
23 next year

Seems do-able, but the lost suspension wins might be just enough buffer for JB to stay ahead of JC, fwiw.
 
NaughtybyNapier said:
I'm assuming JC doesn't get credit for any Ws during the three-game suspension, right?

That means, assuming we win all three (doomed, i know), the magic number is more like 51 for the team overall for the next two years.

28 this year
23 next year

Seems do-able, but the lost suspension wins might be just enough buffer for JB to stay ahead of JC, fwiw.
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hadn't thought about that. We have to beat them all three times we face them this year.
 
and we get to keep hearing the annoying statistic each time we play cuse that "this is the record for most combined wins by opposing coaches"...

don't get me wrong I love being reminded that JC and JB kick , but they bring it up every single time...
 
Keep in mind how Mike Tranghese said he does not expect Calhoun and Boeheim to stick around to coach in the ACC. With the league holding teams to the 27 month exit policy, that prediction does not seem that far off
 
NaughtybyNapier said:
I'm assuming JC doesn't get credit for any Ws during the three-game suspension, right?

That means, assuming we win all three (doomed, i know), the magic number is more like 51 for the team overall for the next two years.

28 this year
23 next year

Seems do-able, but the lost suspension wins might be just enough buffer for JB to stay ahead of JC, fwiw.
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Good catch. Taking all our posts into consideration, it's going to be tight. "duck it, might as well just win the whole thing" this year.
 
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intlzncster said:
Good catch. Taking all our posts into consideration, it's going to be tight. "duck it, might as well just win the whole freaking thing" this year.
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Yeah, good catch! I'll have to consult my spreadsheet again...
 
Maybe Knight's record is like the speed of light - you can approach it but never reach it. Let's see what happens to koach krapshovelski to prevent win 902 from occurring.
 
NaughtybyNapier said:
I'm assuming JC doesn't get credit for any Ws during the three-game suspension, right?

That means, assuming we win all three (doomed, i know), the magic number is more like 51 for the team overall for the next two years.

28 this year
23 next year

Seems do-able, but the lost suspension wins might be just enough buffer for JB to stay ahead of JC, fwiw.
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slight correction - they don't count but they also don't have to win the games when calhoun is out to increase his win total so they don't increase the tally to 51. It, practically-speaking, does increase the tally though because they will likely win those first 3. (doomed)
 
uconndoit said:
slight correction - they don't count but they also don't have to win the games when calhoun is out to increase his win total so they don't increase the tally to 51. It, practically-speaking, does increase the tally though because they will likely win those first 3. (doomed)
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CL82 said:
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did u read the thread? just idle chatter about whether JC will pass bob knight if he stays for another season after this one. (doomed)

NaughtybyNapier accurately brought up the point that JC will not get credit for the 3 first BE games. I/we kind of jumped to the conclusion that they would therefore need 3 more wins than I/we previously thought in order to bring JC past BK. My latest post was to clarify that we don't have to win those additional 3 games. So JC still has to get 48 wins - but indeed he will have 3 fewer opportunities to get those 48 wins.
 
uconndoit said:
Maybe Knight's record is like the speed of light - you can approach it but never reach it. Let's see what happens to koach krapshovelski to prevent win 902 from occurring.
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Unless te NCAA goes back to the Corey maggette situation and boozer and Duhon idk anything else that can prevent it
 
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The most important statistic between JC and JB is 3 National Championships to 1. God I hate Syracuse.
 
TopDog18 said:
The most important statistic between JC and JB is 3 National Championships to 1. God I hate Syracuse.
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For some reason my hatred of Pitt exceeds the Cuse, thinking of checking with an analyst as to why I don't dislike Boeheim.
 
congrats to both. really great coaches for sure
 
uconndoit said:
did u read the thread? just idle chatter about whether JC will pass bob knight if he stays for another season after this one. (doomed)

NaughtybyNapier accurately brought up the point that JC will not get credit for the 3 first BE games. I/we kind of jumped to the conclusion that they would therefore need 3 more wins than I/we previously thought in order to bring JC past BK. My latest post was to clarify that we don't have to win those additional 3 games. So JC still has to get 48 wins - but indeed he will have 3 fewer opportunities to get those 48 wins.
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Clarifier - please feel eminently free to skip.

Uconndoit,

Yes, this a fair summation, lol. I bumped it up to 51 in practical terms (knowing JC himself only needs 48) because it's easier to conceptualize, and it makes sense since we will be solid favorites in all those games (and therefore doomed). For such an idle, but fun, exercise as this, it just makes it easier to think about: that the team will have to win closer to 28 - 30 games this year for JC to sail past Knight next year. I didn't jump to a conclusion, I just tried to present another way to think about his prospects...a point which might be lost on an un-careful peruser of this thread (not you).

My overall point is that it's not a foregone conclusion that JC moves past Knight in '12-'13, nor, given the fact that retirement is at least a possibility year to year now, ever, really. I hope he does.
 
Speaking of Knight, I'm struck by some, perhaps superficial, similarities between his accomplishments and those of JC.

Namely:

BK - 3 NCs, 5 FF, 8 Elite Eights...1 NIT Championship
JC - 3 NCs, 4 FF, 9 Elite Eights...1 NIT Championship

Furthermore, like JC, Knight's championships are spread out over about a dozen years and essentially each won by a different roster. Knight had great success early (which makes sense, given Indiana's stature as a program), going to a FF and another Elite 8 in his first four years.

He then won a NC with a five-year / four-season gap till the next one, and another five-year / four-season gap before his third. (Calhoun had a five-year / four-season gap between #1 and #2, then a seven-year, six-season gap before #3.)

Knight had a poorer record (win-loss %) in the Sweet Sixteen, but a better one in the Elite Eight. And both fiery bastards were perfect in their three championship game appearances apiece.

Both coaches seemed to build teams for deeper runs every couple of years, mixing in occasional NIT appearances or worse in the midst of all the success. (Much different than, say, K or Roy or Wooden.)

They'll finish with similar career win totals as well.

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The argument for JC as GOAT seems to me to rest on two propositions, which inter-relate.

First, that he is the greatest "program builder" of all-time - that he scrapped, and out-worked, and out-hustled, and out-coached to push a former non-entity to the highest level of college basketball, whose achievements now rival those of the closed coterie of the sport's traditional royalty (yay, I almost avoided the term "blue blood."). On this view, we can emphasize some of the particular strengths of his legacy ("doing more with less," i.e., winning with lesser recruits and developing the best NBA talent) and explain away some of the inevitable shortcomings that appear on his resume (inconsistency from year to year; his relatively high career loss total - he built winners at NE and UConn, but you have to break eggs to make an omelet; etc.)

Second, that his accomplishments in the tournament - having come in the "modern" 64-team tournament era - deserve somewhat greater weight than Rupp's or Wooden's. This is not to say that 3 "modern" NCs at Cowtown U (or 4 at Tobacco Road U) are better than 10 "classic" NCs, but just that the comparison between eras is not exactly apples to apples.

Just my 10 cents, as to the admittedly tenuous case for JC as GOAT. (Nor, obviously, did I offer the Hoosier case for BK, which I imagine would emphasize things like "innovator," coaching lineage (helped spawn another GOAT candidate in K), undefeated season, Calhoun-level badass, etc.)
 
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