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The Big East has no chance of competing doing things the same way as the majors. It has to change its product. Apple didn't try harder to make desktop PC's when it was struggling to compete in that market, it made computer-based devices and is now one of the most valuable companies in the world.

I thought the big east being improved with the loss of Sara/sPitt? Now there's no way it can compete?

The problem with your analogy is that apple actually makes quality products, not just "different" products. I don't care how different we do things, we don't get better by getting worse.
 
32 teams competing for 1 BCS slot, maybe 2 if we are lucky... not exactly favorable odds, that. Which kind of sucks.

Sure is thinking outside the box. Does a playoff for a BCS spot strengthen or weaken the BCS? (I'd love for it to be torn down, personally)

Not sure what else to say on it until more details come out.

That's why i think we should not bother to compete for the BCS bowls. Do an 8 or 12 team playoff between the non-AQ leagues. If you want to force a playoff, stop legitimizing BCS bowls.
 
We should have merged with the Mountain West before CUSA did. That's what I had called for numerous times. The Big East is always a day late and a dollar short.
 
That's why i think we should not bother to compete for the BCS bowls. Do an 8 or 12 team playoff between the non-AQ leagues. If you want to force a playoff, stop legitimizing BCS bowls.
Yeah, the FCS schools don't bother competing for BCS bowls either, why don't we just downgrade and go back to playing regional teams at Memorial.
 
It is an NIT tournment for football if done in the World Cup Soccer format that posiitons the winner for a New Years Day game..
 
That's why i think we should not bother to compete for the BCS bowls. Do an 8 or 12 team playoff between the non-AQ leagues. If you want to force a playoff, stop legitimizing BCS bowls.
I just worry that it would have all the status of crowning an NIT champion.
 
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Ultimately the quesiton is whether a 9-1 UConn team against a 10-0 Nevada is a better TV draw than a 3-4 UConn against a 3-4 USF and if the playoffs can grab some national games when it gets to the round of 8.
 
I just worry that it would have all the status of crowning an NIT champion.

The NIT's problem is there is a playoff ahead of it. This Playoff would have a bunch of meaningless exhibition games ahead of it, that select teams based on a popularity contest.
 
Assuming that Plan A is to get out of here, this is not a bad Plan E, if Plans B, C and D fail. Quite honestly, if this is the worst outcome, I could live with this.
 
This isn't a bad plan. It destroys UConn football recruiting. It cripples UConn's football TV dollars by sharing them with non-schools. It preserves BE basketball.

...signed, Providence.
 
#BegHarder

I thought you were a proponent of adding schools to the Big East. This sounds like #GrovelMore.
Are you into S&M or something? The worse it gets, the more you like it.
 
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It's the Globe so I won't put too much stock into this.

This story is too out there for consideration.
 
The problem with your analogy is that apple actually makes quality products, not just "different" products. I don't care how different we do things, we don't get better by getting worse.
Additionally Apple was bleeding money for about a dozen years until the iMac hit the market (which took an influx of capital from Microsoft of ll people) and didn't start improving in value as a company (in terms of share price) until nearly a half dozen years later when the IPod was introduced. Their share price has expoded over the past eight years but it took nearly two decades of wallowing between nearly going under and barely getting by before this happened. Apple didn't begin making different products in 1998. They were making different products from shortly before the 1984/Big Brother Super Bowl ad. It just took (with the great assistance of many trechnological advances) until 1998 for the market to move towards some of the products Apple was introducing.
 
Ultimately the quesiton is whether a 9-1 UConn team against a 10-0 Nevada is a better TV draw than a 3-4 UConn against a 3-4 USF and if the playoffs can grab some national games when it gets to the round of 8.

I am not sure on your comparison. The better comp would be a 10-2 Nevada playing an 8-4 UConn in a first round Playoff game the second week of December where the winner moves on vs. an Independence Bowl matchup between 6-6 Kentucky and 7-5 Texas Tech in a game played in the middle of nowhere where the winner gets...a bowl or something.

The Playoff will at worst carve out a niche, and will enable the Big East to compete without the artificial construct of a BCS system that is completely stacked against it. The SEC and other leagues are trying to grind out the non-AQ's and now the Big East. Staying in that system makes it easier for them to do so.
 
All that needs to be done is to create a "minor" BCS bowl game. We would get a major BCS bid and then the additional "minor" game gets filled with the bottom of the BCS qualifiers giving us a shot at 2 bids.

Of course that's dependent on the BCS folks giving a rat's ass

That game would have a $10 mill payout instead of $17 mill.

This all but eliminates congress getting involved.
 
Additionally Apple was bleeding money for about a dozen years until the iMac hit the market (which took an influx of capital from Microsoft of ll people) and didn't start improving in value as a company (in terms of share price) until nearly a half dozen years later when the IPod was introduced. Their share price has expoded over the past eight years but it took nearly two decades of wallowing between nearly going under and barely getting by before this happened. Apple didn't begin making different products in 1998. They were making different products from shortly before the 1984/Big Brother Super Bowl ad. It just took (with the great assistance of many trechnological advances) until 1998 for the market to move towards some of the products Apple was introducing.

We all know that you like to attack my posts. I don't need another post from you to learn that. You have a solution other than #BegHarder?
 
I actually like this plan - since its for football only. Keeps basketball eastern and keeps AQ status for football. It really isnt a bad idea

looks like some overlooked that "football conference" part

we have 27 months, options will present itself

Nobody likes the uncertainty, but at least some of us are not all about doom and gloom

at the end of the day we'll be fine, and I think a lot of people will have wasted an awful lot of angst
 
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The thought of recruiting head to head with San Jose St scares the out of me.
 
The bottom line is unless the other AQ conferences are done expanding this is just temporary and most of the remaining BE fb schools will be going somewhere else within 5 years.

Maybe sooner so we don't go too far south and be a very weak addition to the remaining conferences.
 
At $15 million a school, that means the TV deal would be $420-480 a YEAR. Never going to happen.
 
We all know that you like to attack my posts. I don't need another post from you to learn that. You have a solution other than #BegHarder?
Yes, don't bury ourselves in mediocrity for a decade or so only to hope that we may emerge one day.

Hope harder appears to be your approach and I do not get it for the life of me (as for the most part you do appear to be pretty intelligent) as grasping at straws, hoping that one actually can be used as a safety tether is not a strategy.

The core problem still is what it has been since the football schools threatened (and backed off the second they were told they wouldn't fully get their way) to leave if they could not build a legitimate football conference a bit more than two decades ago. Were are serving two masters, not serving either well at all and using band-aids to attempt to repair severed limbs in order to keep this thing going.

I did propose an idea a few weeks back:
http://www.the-boneyard.com/threads/maybe-were-looking-at-this-all-wrong.2786/#post-31586

There really isn't a whole lot that we can do here and what could have been done (i did post something in 2005 that was ridiculed by a few, I believe you included) stating that we (the entirety of the football membership) needed to view this as something permanent, like a marriage and at the same time try to model our schools and athletic programs after schools who we knew would always be safe (Michigan, North Carolina, Texas), schools who are attractive both athletically and academically, who have fan bases that will remain during less than stellar seasons. I questioned the intelligence of letting ESPN decide our football schedule (for the few extra dollars this was worth) as developing rivalries through season ending games (the only one we every really utilized was WVU-Pitt) and I complained that the idea that a random (at the time there were two schools that any BE school would not play and only three with return matchups) basketball schedule made any sense (again, for a few extra dollars up front).

If we were thinking long term (twenty, thirty years in the future) we would have had to accept the idea that the hybrid was nothing more than a crutch. We needed to build the UConn-Louisville men's basketball rivalry. We needed to capitalize fully on UConn-Cuse in men's basketball. We should have created two divisions (which we couldn't do as the supposed mantra was that we weren't really two distinct conference's) allowing the football membership to play home and home games with each other (filling out the schedule with some cross division games) and build or strengthen rivalries. This was an opportunity that we let slip by solely because we wanted to pretend that the model we had really was a conference (when in fact it was solely a collection of schools who, for the purposes of men's hoops was merely operating under the premise that it was a conference). During the stretch where our rivalry with Cuse in men's hoops could have been promoted as the new, top rivalry in the sport, We often played them once a season while ESPN promoted UNC-Duke to the point where the remainder of the ACC was left in the dust. We could have (and should have) demanded something back in 2005 (when the two most recent national champions were UConn & Cuse) close to what UNC-Duke received, promoting this rivalry as the marquee of the BE but not wanting to overshadow the catholic schools and taking the few extra upfront television dollars that no control over conference scheduling offered was more important.

We blew it. We didn't just blow it over the past six to eight weeks, this goes back years, decades. Thje most recent idea is a last gasp to keep the catholic schools aligned with the football schools because they are more worried than anyone. The bulk of the successful ones are afraid of being the only ones carrying around the dead weight at the bottom. The dead weight at the bottom is afraid that if they lose the football schools they may not be able to keep enough quality non football members to remain in a major conference. If this proposal (BIG USA) is the best we can do we are screwed, more royally than anything anyone could have predicted in August.

I still believe that this is not over. There will be no expansion beyond fourteen at the moment but shortly after the BCS allows a third school from one conference in a BCS bowl (the SEC has already petitioned for this), expansion to sixteen will quickly follow. This is where our opportunity will arrive as the SEC will move to sixteen and there is no way they will continue expanding west (unless OU can move without OSU).
 
The bottom line is unless the other AQ conferences are done expanding this is just temporary and most of the remaining BE fb schools will be going somewhere else within 5 years.

Maybe sooner so we don't go too far south and be a very weak addition to the remaining conferences.

If this idea causes the implosion of BE football (i.e. lowers the quality of recruits, play, coaching, and most importanly, $$$) one wonders whether UConn, Rutgers or Ville will be attractive enough for any of the AQ conferences in 5 years.
 
If this is an option, it means one thing. All of the football schools would leave in an instant and this would be the only way to allow teams to exit at will to a better conference, but allow the "left behinds" to still have a viable conference. In other words, we should expect more football detections soon. By the way, this is ND's dream scenario.
 
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A whole thread discussing the merits and futility of the proposal in this Boston Globe article. Only one poster discussed the source of the article and its reliability. I find that interesting.

The article starts off stating it is conjecture. At least thats the impression I get when I read: "One of the reason the Big East may be holding off on any expansion announcements about potential new members........"

The operative word is may. This is just Blaudschun being creative imo.

The more rational explanation for the delay is everyone is waiting on Missouri and the future steps of the B12.
 
That is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. It would kill our football program. If Marinatti is even considering this, he should be fired on the spot!
 
A whole thread discussing the merits and futility of the proposal in this Boston Globe article. Only one poster discussed the source of the article and its reliability. I find that interesting.

The article starts off stating it is conjecture. At least thats the impression I get when I read: "One of the reason the Big East may be holding off on any expansion announcements about potential new members........"

The operative word is may. This is just Blaudschun being creative imo.

The more rational explanation for the delay is everyone is waiting on Missouri and the future steps of the B12.

The article starts off by quoting from "documents obtained". I don't see the sentence about "..the Bug East may be holding off..." anywhere in the linked Boston.com article...
 
It's the Globe so I won't put too much stock into this.

This story is too out there for consideration.

In recent times, the Globe has been ahead of a lot of papers with news regarding the Big East. It was way ahead of the CT papers during UConn's coach search, for example.
 
The article starts off by quoting from "documents obtained". I don't see the sentence about "..the Bug East may be holding off..." anywhere in the linked Boston.com article...
That's interesting. It has been revised because I linked to the article just prior to writing my post and that link had in the first line the sentence "The Big East may be holding off..."

Sometime in the last 35 minutes or so Blaudschaun changed the wording in his opening paragraph.
 
What's happening is inevitable. It's no different than pro sports.

The NBA has a proposal to downsize the league to 28 teams.

The money question will come down to whether the 62 BCS teams can stick together.

If it was pro-sports the Texas, Texas, Tech, Oklahoma, OSU rift would grow larger and the BCS would shrink. Wake and Duke and Virginia and Maryland wouldn't have a permanent place in BCS college football. The BCS would be looking at four 12 team super conferences. Vandy and Miss State would go for a long walk along with Washington State, Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State .

Stadium sizes and average attendance would be pushing 50,000 minimum to be considered.
 
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