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Calhoun is very optimistic about our future. Says that August will be a huge month regarding recruiting and that they are expecting many visits. Also would not confirm if he is returning next year or not.

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He's coming back, when is he just going to admit it?!?!
 
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He is still pushing the Ollie thing. No reason at all not to say it in June. He stated he would make his intentions known in March.
 

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If he'd like to continue playing this game, he is welcome to do so. However, there should be no surprise when August isn't as big a month as it should be.

There's a reason why we have one to one German-to-title ratio and that's because we keep losing players to lesser programs whose coaches do not pretend that they spend half their day coaching and the other half surfing the web for retirement communities.

St. John's has a big-headed duck*tard who couldn't teach an eskimo to make a snowball and yet we keep losing players to them. Lavin hasn't coached in a year, reps a glorified community college and yet he'll probably land Chris Obekpa.

UConn turns kids like Obekpa into NBA draft picks like they have some sort of magic wand, but they need to get them on campus first - and they're not coming if the coach won't promise to stay past whatever day you ask him.

(Bless Omar Calhoun for wanting the name on the front of the uniform more than most...)
 
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At this point I take anything JC says with a grain of salt. Maybe he'll be back, maybe he won't. Maybe we'll get some good recruits, maybe we won't. sure lots of kids are going to visit campus - we generally seem to get a lot of kids to show interest, and getting them to campus isn't all THAT diffuckut, but getting them to commit when the HC situation is so completely up in the air is wishful thinking, it seems.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for a great August with lots of visits and some really good verbals, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still psyched and think we will be fine in the long run, but I'm not overly enthused that JC tells us we're going to have a big August. He may just mean the weather's going to be hot.
 

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He's coming back - why we have to go through all the jackassery to get to the obvious is mystifying. We're not even getting a hack at kids that UConn would have passed on five years ago.

When Lufthansa is your most reliable recruiting pipeline, you gotta do some soul-searching.
 
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If he'd like to continue playing this game, he is welcome to do so. However, there should be no surprise when August isn't as big a month as it should be.

There's a reason why we have one to one German-to-title ratio and that's because we keep losing players to lesser programs whose coaches do not pretend that they spend half their day coaching and the other half surfing the web for retirement communities.

St. John's has a big-headed duck*tard who couldn't teach an eskimo to make a snowball and yet we keep losing players to them. Lavin hasn't coached in a year, reps a glorified community college and yet he'll probably land Chris Obekpa.

UConn turns kids like Obekpa into NBA draft picks like they have some sort of magic wand, but they need to get them on campus first - and they're not coming if the coach won't promise to stay past whatever day you ask him.

(Bless Omar Calhoun for wanting the name on the front of the uniform more than most...)

I would not trade our roster for St Johns even with some of the transfers. The only transfer that stung for me was losing Roscoe, but it only looks good for UConn if AD and JL are lottery picks in the draft. We are banned from the post season and still landed the New York POY/top 30 recruit. How many other schools can pull that off? NO school can recruit very well with a postseason ban lingering. I don't think JC's stubbornness is as much of an issue as a lot you guys do. Just my humble opinion. I think we're weathering the APR storm as well as possible under the circumstances, and our backcourt is the best in the Big East!
 

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You're wrong.

Thirty-three of ESPN's top 100 in 2013 have already committed to schools. Seven of them have committed to Big East schools - DePaul and Seton Hall have one each. Butler and Penn State both nabbed one.

And UConn? Not much shaking.

Telling kids about the NBA doesn't seem to be impressing them much these days, unless we do it in German.
 
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Some of you will probably disagree with this point, but i dont feel too comfortable trying to sell the NBA as the #1 option to land recruits. Yes its a great thing that we have so many players in the league but from a recruits point of view, so do a lot of other schools. I just think that if you keep drilling the NBA into these kids minds they may start to value their own personal goals over whats best for the team. We all saw the chemistry issues last year. Now AO transferring because of the NCAA ban is kind of BS because he was unhappy all year about his playing time. I have a feeling he came into last season expecting it to be his breakout year and then jump to NBA. Roscoe bailing out because he doesnt want to play the 4??? Selfish if you ask me. Thats why it is kind of scary hearing all these kids considering UConn just because Calhoun gets players into the NBA. What does that mean when he isnt coaching anymore? I want kids to commit because they actually want to play for UConn.
 

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Some of you will probably disagree with this point, but i dont feel too comfortable trying to sell the NBA as the #1 option to land recruits. Yes its a great thing that we have so many players in the league but from a recruits point of view, so do a lot of other schools. I just think that if you keep drilling the NBA into these kids minds they may start to value their own personal goals over whats best for the team. We all saw the chemistry issues last year. Now AO transferring because of the NCAA ban is kind of BS because he was unhappy all year about his playing time. I have a feeling he came into last season expecting it to be his breakout year and then jump to NBA. Roscoe bailing out because he doesnt want to play the 4??? Selfish if you ask me. Thats why it is kind of scary hearing all these kids considering UConn just because Calhoun gets players into the NBA. What does that mean when he isnt coaching anymore? I want kids to commit because they actually want to play for UConn.
I get your point but Calhoun doesn't get kids to the NBA by letting them showcase their skills as Freshmen and playing selfish ball. He gets kids to the NBA by getting them to buy into what he is teaching and put in tons of hard work. That's what turns mid level prospects into NBA players and what turns 18 year old high school kids into champions.
 
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Calhoun loves the summer mic/press...loves to tell stories
 
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Definitely agree, off season pressers have never been his specialty.

I disagree, i think he likes to f with the press. There is limited news/info and he can control alot more on what is going on. The beat writers are hungery for news because of junkies like us and editors looking for any scoop
 

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In my mind, whatever "right" Calhoun has earned to treat the program like crap the way he is now was lost when the program was hit with probation, lost scholarships and a post-season ban. Why wouldn't he want to make an effort to mitigate the damage instead of adding to it?
 
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In my mind, whatever "right" Calhoun has earned to treat the program like crap the way he is now was lost when the program was hit with probation, lost scholarships and a post-season ban. Why wouldn't he want to make an effort to mitigate the damage instead of adding to it?
I think that's a tad extreme, but you do have a point. The program is in the shawdow of a whole string of missteps under JC's leadership. On one hand he's said he wants to make sure he hands the program off to the next head coach in good shape, but on the other hand some of his behavior such as not announcing his intentions continues to hurt the program in the area of recruiting.

What saddens me the most is I had hoped we'd get that nice recruiting boost from winning the 2011 NC. I guess we had a mini-boost picking up Boatright & Daniels, but in both those cases they were recruits who strung things out and weren't exactly plan-A recruits the staff had radar lock on for very long. Omar is definitely a nice catch, though the attraction for him might be the combination of proximity and the sustained success that UConn has had.

All the bad missteps, press, JC's health and not making his intentions clear IMO has really kicked the out of the UConn brand in the eyes of the latest crop of recruits. Maybe I'm be proven wrong and the staff will bring in a solid collection of 2013 talent. Seems the UConn interest chatter so far this spring is meager at best. JC's MO has been cast a wide net and hope he catches some good ones. He usually gets a diamond in the ruff or two and sometimes a blue chipper or two as well, though those tend to be spring signees or on occasion late fall. I'm not hearing much of a big net. Just a few comments here and there about how some like KO. For example that 2013 PG Stevie Clark that was thinking of reclassifying said a nice thing about KO and UConn, but that seemed like a fart in the wind that vanished shortly after it was said.

JC and his staff have vanquished my concerns the past couple years netting some talented players amidst some horrible circumstances, so I wouldn't count him out doing it again. But that doesn't discount what seems to be poor judgement (Not making his future intentions clear) making the recruiting efforts more difficult.
 
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He's coming back - why we have to go through all the jackassery to get to the obvious is mystifying. We're not even getting a hack at kids that UConn would have passed on five years ago.

When Lufthansa is your most reliable recruiting pipeline, you gotta do some soul-searching.
Not seeing much 2012 Class interest was not surprising considering the post season ban, but the seemingly meager interest with the 2013 class is disturbing, but maybe not surprising. As the clock ticks closer to JC's end-of-contract date, not to mention the valid concerns about his health, perceived interest to keep on coaching and the uncertainty with the entire coaching staff (reluctance to make KO the coach-in-waiting) gives more than enough pause for the top tier recruits to find enough other programs a lot more attractive than UConn.

Think about it. If your a top recruit or a parent of one and you have a choice between UConn and a handful of other programs where the coaching and post season prospects seem a lot more stable and predictable, which would you choose? Granted some of these recruits are picking programs that one might scratch their head at. One example was the Harrell kid that was released from his VT LOI. He seemed like a perfect fit for JC and UConn. Lots of PT to earn. Between UL, a handful of others programs and UConn, I'm not shocked he chose UL. I realize he's a 2012, we have the NCAA ban this upcoming season and one of his past coaches took an assistant job for the Cards, but after a brief flirtation with UConn he kicked us to the curb. We were nowhere in sight when he cut his list down, something that has been very familiar of late and might continue that way. I seem to recall hearing a lot about this recruit or that one plans on visiting and then it never happens. In some cases an unofficial takes place but that turns out to be the end of hearing much about those recruits.
 
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What saddens me the most is I had hoped we'd get that nice recruiting boost from winning the 2011 NC. I guess we had a mini-boost picking up Boatright & Daniels, but in both those cases they were recruits who strung things out and weren't exactly plan-A recruits the staff had radar lock on for very long. Omar is definitely a nice catch, though the attraction for him might be the combination of proximity and the sustained success that UConn has had.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but since this is an internet message board I'm going to nitpick on the little things. We actually did get a pretty serious recruiting boost from the championship. We already had Boatright in the fold, but we added Daniels late (in May, I believe) and of course added Drummond at the last minute.

That's a top-30 recruit in Daniels (despite his disappointing season last year) and basically the #1 recruit in Drummond (despite his somewhat lackluster season) that we added between winning the championship and the start of the season.

The utter lack of interest from top 2012 and 2013 recruits (Omar notwithstanding, since he committed a while ago) is troubling and I'm concerned that it could be the start of a trend and not a mere aberration.
 
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I agree with pretty much everything you said, but since this is an internet message board I'm going to nitpick on the little things. We actually did get a pretty serious recruiting boost from the championship. We already had Boatright in the fold, but we added Daniels late (in May, I believe) and of course added Drummond at the last minute.

That's a top-30 recruit in Daniels (despite his disappointing season last year) and basically the #1 recruit in Drummond (despite his somewhat lackluster season) that we added between winning the championship and the start of the season.

The utter lack of interest from top 2012 and 2013 recruits (Omar notwithstanding, since he committed a while ago) is troubling and I'm concerned that it could be the start of a trend and not a mere aberration.
I completely forgot about AD, but I wouldn't attribute getting him because of the 2011 NC. We landed him predominantly because UConn is his home state school. Now I don't mean to discount the fact that his state school has an elite program. There are always great players that end up deciding to play outside their state. AD certainly had options and he chose to be a Husky. If anything the 2011 NC might have salvaged his recruitment. If they had gone down with a thud, he just might have chosen a program like UNC or UK, both who I believe where knocking heavily at his door.

So we landed RB before we won the NC that April? Hum...didn't think that was the case, but if so, Daniels would be the only one that you could build a strong case that UConn's 2011 NC left a strong impression.

Historically, you'll find teams that win an NC will often get a nice recruiting class 1 to 2 years afterwards. By the time they win their NC, most of that year's class (ex. 2011 HS Class in our case) have made their choice, though it seems a lot more elite recruits are waiting till the spring signing period which does take place after the season is over. But you have to realize that much of the recruiting heavy lifting takes place while these recruits are sophomores and juniors, particularly the spring of their junior year through the summer leading up to their senior year. You could argue that the NC boost often takes place when recruits are even younger and more impressionable. Kids that say, is my dream school likely fell in love with that program as early as middle school. That's why teams that sustain a high level of achievement have a better shot at closing the deal. A youngster who liked us in 2011 might still like us a lot in 2014 if we have a good 2013 post season...um...I guess that's not going to happen since we won't have one. :( Let's change that to 2015 after we have a solid 2014 post season showing. :) Instead a lot of recruits are hearing and reading about UConn losing ships and the 2013 postseason because of bad APR scores, accusations of being cheaters due to the Miles investigation, excessive phone calls, etc, and subsequent reductions in scholarships and JC's impending retirement. I'm quite concerned that our NC Sand Castle has been all but washed away from these waves of badness.

Let me take a slightly more positive spin. If not for that 2011 NC, our program would likely be in even worse shape. Maybe we don't land Daniels, AD or even Omar and the other 2012 recruits (& transfer). Things could be a lot worse. Other than the NCAA deciding to use the 2011/12 APR scores, thus resulting in UConn eligible for post season play, maybe playing the spoiler and either winning the BE regular season or at least battling down the wire where we make National News will provide some positive attention. There's little doubt that our plight will get a lot of attention if we end up as one of the top teams in the BE and ranked in the top 25, but are still not eligible for BET and NCAAs. I'm sure some at ESPN would be mentioning how not a single player on the 2012/13 team was responsible for the poor ARP scores but are being penalized due to past transgressions. Add that to the fact that they'll know by then that the 2010/11 and 2011/12 combined APR score which most of current players are responsible for add up to a qualifying score, but are not being used. I can't see how the NCAA is going to look good in this.

Now if UConn has a bad year and looks like a team that wouldn't have a shot at the NCAAs, little to no attention might be garnered. Now of course fans of the program can point to losing some key players (Roscoe & Alex) plus the impact all this had on our recruiting as a reason why the team was not an NCAA tournament quality team. Note that I'm really not sure how good or bad the 2012/13 team will be. If the bigs can somehow hold their own and the team can steal some minutes playing a lot of small ball, maybe we'll be a lot better than most imagine. As always I'll go into the season with a half-glass full perspective until too much water is dumped from my cup.
 

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In my mind, whatever "right" Calhoun has earned to treat the program like crap the way he is now was lost when the program was hit with probation, lost scholarships and a post-season ban. Why wouldn't he want to make an effort to mitigate the damage instead of adding to it?

I agree with this.

I give Jim Calhoun every iota of the credit due for what UConn has become - he built it. If we hire anyone else, instead of three titles, we have none - I believe that.

However, I'm a little put off by how cavalier he seems to be over the mine fields we skipped into on his watch.

Recruiting is down. Fan interest is down. Next year is a lost year.

I feel like we're crossing the Delaware, but George Washington is shouting to us from the safety of shore.
 
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In my mind, whatever "right" Calhoun has earned to treat the program like crap the way he is now was lost when the program was hit with probation, lost scholarships and a post-season ban. Why wouldn't he want to make an effort to mitigate the damage instead of adding to it?
Uhoh! You're in trouble now...violated the first commandment of the boneyard..."thou shalt not speak ill of Jim Calhoun no matter what an ass he is making of himself."
 
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If he'd like to continue playing this game, he is welcome to do so. However, there should be no surprise when August isn't as big a month as it should be.

There's a reason why we have one to one German-to-title ratio and that's because we keep losing players to lesser programs whose coaches do not pretend that they spend half their day coaching and the other half surfing the web for retirement communities.

St. John's has a big-headed duck*tard who couldn't teach an eskimo to make a snowball and yet we keep losing players to them. Lavin hasn't coached in a year, reps a glorified community college and yet he'll probably land Chris Obekpa.

UConn turns kids like Obekpa into NBA draft picks like they have some sort of magic wand, but they need to get them on campus first - and they're not coming if the coach won't promise to stay past whatever day you ask him.

(Bless Omar Calhoun for wanting the name on the front of the uniform more than most...)
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I hold Manuel at least 50% responsible for the recruiting problems. Just name Ollie Coach in Waiting. That's all he has to do. Manuel can decide before he signs a new deal with Ollie that he will never coach a single game at UConn as long as Manuel is AD, but you have to give him the title and an appropriate contract.

Manuel is in a stupid pissing match with the legend, at a time in UConn's history when we absolutely can not have this distraction. I hate Manuel to the point of wishing we had Hathaway back.
 
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I don't think Manuel has handled this well at all. He needs to take control and take responsibility fo rthe basketball program. But Calhoun hasn't either. Calhoun does not, on this or any other planet have the right to name his successor. Even if you think he earned that right before, his total cluelessness over the past few years, Nate Miles, the APR mess, NCAA probation, recruiting scandals and his behavior during that, his bizzare behavior (a veiled threat to "leave in October" if he doesn't get his way on Ollie, publicly contradicting his boss, and yeah Manuel is his boss whether he wants to think so or not,) of late in my mind say he certainly doesn't have it any more. I think Jim Calhoun is a great basketball coach. But I think he's been reading too many of his own press clippings of late. Get over yourself, Coach and do what is right for the program you built. He is becoming a Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno character, where the rules don't apply to him in recent years.
 

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I don't think Manuel has handled this well at all. He needs to take control and take responsibility fo rthe basketball program. But Calhoun hasn't either. Calhoun does not, on this or any other planet have the right to name his successor. Even if you think he earned that right before, his total cluelessness over the past few years, Nate Miles, the APR mess, NCAA probation, recruiting scandals and his behavior during that, his bizzare behavior (a veiled threat to "leave in October" if he doesn't get his way on Ollie, publicly contradicting his boss, and yeah Manuel is his boss whether he wants to think so or not,) of late in my mind say he certainly doesn't have it any more. I think Jim Calhoun is a great basketball coach. But I think he's been reading too many of his own press clippings of late. Get over yourself, Coach and do what is right for the program you built. He is becoming a Woody Hayes, Joe Paterno character, where the rules don't apply to him in recent years.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Manuel has to back down here and name Ollie CIW, or show some balls and fire Calhoun now. Letting Calhoun run out the string like this will chase recruits off and make UConn a less attractive job, reducing the pool of candidates. If we follow the path we are on, we will end up with some MAC or MVC coach that no one ever heard of and everyone will wonder why we didn't just make Ollie the head coach.
 
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