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The women would have no shot against a strong boys HS team. Just look at how they play against the male practice players - none of whom were strong HS players and none of whom are real tall.

There is no-one on the planet who knows less about sports, btw, than Craig Carton.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Some delusion there. I don't think there should be a game, and I don't think the girls beat any good hs teams. They just can't match up physically.
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Yeah as good as this team is it would get smoked by a good high school boy's team. But why does the media feel the need to compare this one program to others at entirely different levels of play? You always hear the same questions being asked: what would happen if the UConn women played a good high school boy's team, or a terrible WNBA team, or a D3 men's team. Why don't they just ask what would happen if they played genetically modified unicorns that had hooves designed specifically for shooting 3s?
 
Why on earth would any one want to compare the boys to the girls. Only reason is to put down the girls. If you don't want to watch the girls then don't watch. Just don't degrade them for playing a game that they love. I love our girls and can't wait for each and every game. Go Huskies.
 
I 100% agree with Roundball fan. Well stated. Having said that, this past week I did see a bunch of local high school boys teams play (St. Anthony's, Linden, Roselle Catholic, Don Bosco) and these teams all had a couple strong, quick 6'7", 6'8" kids with skills- many future D1 players. They'd be pretty damn hard to defend. But one thing was very clear while watching some of NJ's best boys teams- none of them runs offense as well, and not nearly as unselfishly, as UConn's girls do. And no team played any harder, with any more passion and determination, than our UConn girls do every minute they're on the court.

(I must admit it was odd hearing Carton, an undeniably rude misogynist, praising UConn WBB so.)
 
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stamfordhusky said:
The women would have no shot against a strong boys HS team. Just look at how they play against the male practice players - none of whom were strong HS players and none of whom are real tall.

There is no-one on the planet who knows less about sports, btw, than Craig Carton.
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I mentioned this last week in reference to SC preparing for UConn, and was lambasted for it.

Personally, I would like to hear from the male practice players. They have first hand knowledge on how good the girls are. I honestly don't know.

I have these questions: How are male practice players chosen? Why did they try out to be a practice player? What is their BB background? Have they ever had an informal game against the girls? How much does Geno throttle them? Of course, there really is no point, but I still would be interested to know. I don't have any pre-concieved notion as to the answer to any of these questions.
 
There are many disguises for bias, and this interest in comparing UCONN women and a good boys HS team is simply bias against women. There are many, many causes for this, usually getting its start in childhood, so there is really little point to a discussion with those promoting this since this bias is very embedded in their personality and immune to reason, etc. They will never admit they are wrong, because it is really not about UCONN women's basketball, but about their need to defend against the anger and frustration they experience when encountering a successful woman, irregardless of in what venue. Our best course, in my opinion, is not to engage, since the discussion will never get resolved to the satisfaction of those of us who hold women in the high esteem that they deserve. If not for them, we would not be here.
 
This kind of reminds me of a situation back in the seventies. The Russians had a very good "amateur" hockey team that won the Olympics. They wanted to play against the NHL. Everyone thought the NHL would destroy the Russians. So, they set up a series between the Russians and an NHL All-Star team. (Unfortunately, Bobby Orr was injured, and couldn't play. I don't think Bobby Hull or Gordie Howe played either.) Anyway, it turned out the Russians played the NHL even! The Russians played more of a team game, while the NHL tried to rely on brute force. The NHL eventually won the series, but just barely.

My point is, you have to play the game to find out what would happen....
 
stamfordhusky said:
The women would have no shot against a strong boys HS team. Just look at how they play against the male practice players - none of whom were strong HS players and none of whom are real tall.

There is no-one on the planet who knows less about sports, btw, than Craig Carton.
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Well, I think it might depend on the team. They wouldn't win against the better HS teams but I'm sure there are a few they would beat actually.
Another point of contention is your claim that none of the boys they practice against were strong HS players. Of course they are not the cream of the crop or they would be playing in college somewhere but I don't think some of them are too bad. I remember a few years ago when Nick Hogrefe, practiced with the UCONN women. He was a member of the Holy Cross team that reached the 2006 Division II state final. Not a bad player at all.
 
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Roundball fan said:
Why on earth would any one want to compare the boys to the girls. Only reason is to put down the girls. If you don't want to watch the girls then don't watch. Just don't degrade them for playing a game that they love. I love our girls and can't wait for each and every game. Go Huskies.
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I am with you..... Perhaps it is fun for some to speculate..... but they are different games...... WCBB and boys HS hoops..... a big difference..... and aside from from the fun aspect of it.... conjecture and all, what does it matter..... if UConn played this sort of game and won what difference would it make?

I got tired very quickly of watching a young Michelle Wie enter Men's tournaments just to juxtapose her skill.....
 
Aluminny69 said:
This kind of reminds me of a situation back in the seventies. The Russians had a very good "amateur" hockey team that won the Olympics. They wanted to play against the NHL. Everyone thought the NHL would destroy the Russians. So, they set up a series between the Russians and an NHL All-Star team. (Unfortunately, Bobby Orr was injured, and couldn't play. I don't think Bobby Hull or Gordie Howe played either.) Anyway, it turned out the Russians played the NHL even! The Russians played more of a team game, while the NHL tried to rely on brute force. The NHL eventually won the series, but just barely.

My point is, you have to play the game to find out what would happen....
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Similarly, the U.S. women's hockey team, which has won multiple medals in the Olympics, scrimmaged the boys team from Choate a few years ago. The boys were all over 6' tall and each had 50 pounds, easy, over their female counterparts. I believe the final score was 6-0 Choate. It says absolutely nothing about the US women's hockey team that they lost to bigger, faster men.

I've said numerous times that men's basketball and women's basketball are similar sports, but not the same, like baseball and softball. Very similar games with similar rules but they are completely different. Why does one have to be "better" than the other? I enjoy both the UConn women and the men but understand they are playing different games.
 
HuskyNan said:
Similarly, the U.S. women's hockey team, which has won multiple medals in the Olympics, scrimmaged the boys team from Choate a few years ago. The boys were all over 6' tall and each had 50 pounds, easy, over their female counterparts. I believe the final score was 6-0 Choate. It says absolutely nothing about the US women's hockey team that they lost to bigger, faster men.

I've said numerous times that men's basketball and women's basketball are similar, but not the same, sports like baseball and softball. Very similar games with similar rules but they are completely different. Why does one have to be "better" than the other? I enjoy both the UConn women and the men but understand they are playing different games.
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It's good that you brought that up. It's a popular topic for many men to bash WBB. But the puzzling thing to me is why? You seldom hear the same attitude expressed about female Tennis players or Boxers or any of the Olympic sports. You don't hear any of the baloney about the quality of the play being so much less than men. The competition is just enjoyed for what it is - Women vs women. Now for some reason team sports takes a bit of a turn but still you don't hear much about Soccer or even Hockey as Nan noted. I theorize that it's a thing that bugs men because it's one of the big 3 traditional sports for the USA. With baseball women go to softball in college. And there are so few women who even want to give football a shot that the topic doesn't come up there either. But basketball - that's something that women can participate in and do their own thing. I used to work with a guy during the 95 championship run who always seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about Rebecca Lobo. He was about the same height as Lobo and swore he could take her one on one. I always said to him "Who cares if you can". But it was a big deal for him because he maintained that if he could beat Lobo then her skills and accomplishments mean nothing to him. While many of you may laugh at this little story I think there are a lot more guys out there that we may like to admit who think the same way. That's why you hear so many guys profess that they like the game played "above the rim". Or in other words women can't jump like men. There's a revelation. I prefer to watch the women's game because it IS below the rim. Anyway I'm sure the women bashing never stop on the part of some men.
 
EDD has challenged some of these numbskulls to a 1 on 1 game and I've never heard of any of the cowards taking her up on it.

(BTW- she'd literally kill me but I'm an old man)
 
Roundball fan said:
Why on earth would any one want to compare the boys to the girls. Only reason is to put down the girls. If you don't want to watch the girls then don't watch. Just don't degrade them for playing a game that they love. I love our girls and can't wait for each and every game. Go Huskies.
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It drives me a bit nuts when I hear commentators compare records and say somthing like X girl or Y boy holds the record for most points in a career, season, whatever, for both genders as if they are the same competition. Likewise comparing UConns womens streak to UCLA men. To me, it diminishes both. But there.are a few women who I think individually could see some time on a D3 or NAIA men's team.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
(snip) Why don't they just ask what would happen if they played genetically modified unicorns that had hooves designed specifically for shooting 3s?
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That is funny! First, I'd like to see some genetically modified unicorns....

But, that aside, the thing about this year's UConn team is that they play fast and as a TEAM. Most boy's HS teams know nothing of this style of play and would be standing there with their collective heads spinning watching UConn pass the ball around before Stewie, et al drop a 3 on them. Let that happen a few times early on and the boys are going to be befuddled and discouraged. End of game right there -- victory UConn Women 2015-2016.
 
There is one thing to remember - while a powerhouse HS boys team is full of D1 recruits, your standard HS boys team is made up of Uconn WCBB practice players with maybe a few college quality players and the coaching they receive (and listen to) is pretty minimal. While they would be stronger and taller, their skills would not be that good and their stamina might be debatable.
I suspect Uconn would easily beat for example the EO Smith boys team if it is anything like it was when I was there, but probably would not come close against say the NY State HS championship team.
 
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