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Boogie Fland decommits from Kentucky (Updated > Florida)

Verne said:
Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.
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Aaah someone who “gets it””
Thank you!!!
 
businesslawyer said:
Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.
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This thing could have gone away if Emmert's NCAA had stepped up and offered a scale for schools to purchase athletes NIL rights. Instead they punted and told states to make their own laws. Now it's the wild west and there's no going back, but before all that happened some number, maybe as low as $25,000 and probably no higher than $50,000, could've been established. Everyone would've been happy because players would have been additional compensation, though still not be employees, the wild West of having boosters reach out to players agents would've been eliminated In the current system of pay for play free agency would've been eliminated.

Of course, now those dollar amounts are laughable. No point in closing the barn door because the horse is loose.
 
CL82 said:
This thing could have gone away if Emmert's NCAA had stepped up and offered a scale for schools to purchase athletes NIL rights. Instead they punted and told states to make their own laws. Now it's the wild west and there's no going back, but before all that happened some number, maybe as low as $25,000 and probably no higher than $50,000, could've been established. Everyone would've been happy because players would have been additional compensation, though still not be employees, the wild West of having boosters reach out to players agents would've been eliminated In the current system of pay for play free agency would've been eliminated.

Of course, now those dollar amounts are laughable. No point in closing the barn door because the horse is loose.
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Well, there actually is. You can be there will be a Title IX suit with women athletes saying that just because the school has athletes paid through boosters rather than directly, that doesn't obviate the need to make sure your female student athletes are paid equally. And while I'm not a Title IX expert, I don't think that suit will be frivolous and might require the NCAA to figure out how to get the horses back in the barn.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Well, there actually is. You can be there will be a Title IX suit with women athletes saying that just because the school has athletes paid through boosters rather than directly, that doesn't obviate the need to make sure your female student athletes are paid equally. And while I'm not a Title IX expert, I don't think that suit will be frivolous and might require the NCAA to figure out how to get the horses back in the barn.
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Interesting. I don't see it, though. You are imposing a duty on universities to control unaffiliated parties.

If Nike decides to give a deal to a male player at University X and a lesser deal to a female player at university Y who has committed the Title IX violation? It's not Nike, because they are not a governmental entity. Is it university X? What actions did it take or fate which are violative of title IX. What about university Y? It's athlete is being "under compensated". Should they be penalized because one of their athletes got a Nike deal, but not the best Nike deal?
 
CL82 said:
Interesting. I don't see it, though. You are imposing a duty on universities to control unaffiliated parties.

If Nike decides to give a deal to a male player at University X and a lesser deal to a female player at university Y who has committed the Title IX violation? It's not Nike, because they are not a governmental entity. Is it university X? What actions did it take or fate which are violative of title IX. What about university Y? It's athlete is being "under compensated". Should they be penalized because one of their athletes got a Nike deal, but not the best Nike deal?
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Except that every coaching staff is telling their recruits that they are not "unaffiliated" and the staff controls payments. Can't have it both ways under oath.
 
TheHorde said:
Tristen Newton signed with East Carolina. Cam Spencer signed with Loyola of MD. Different circumstances but often 18 year old kids make mistakes in judgment.
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Or, in the cases you cited, they took the best offer they received.
 
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Scrutiner said:
Or, in the cases you cited, they took the best offer they received.
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Missed the point. The point is that some of UConn’s most beloved players didn’t call UConn home first. I was responding to someone who wasn’t crazy about the fact that McNeeley chose Indiana first. I care about if he’s choosing us now.
 
August_West said:
I will. Im all in on Cal sticking it up their butts.
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I get that - I’m closer to rooting for him than I’ve been since I can remember. And I like Arkansas, I got the ‘94 retro shorts for when they win I’ll claim fandom.

But I can’t root for him.
 
businesslawyer said:
Except that every coaching staff is telling their recruits that they are not "unaffiliated" and the staff controls payments. Can't have it both ways under oath.
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I think many people are misunderstanding what is going on with NIL. I break it down into 2 buckets. The first bucket is what NIL was intended for: paying college athletes to promote companies, products, and services. In general, these are contracted directly with the athlete and it is where the largest dollars come from. Think female athletes like Livvy Dunne, Caitlin Clark, Paige Bueckers,... and the national companies, products, and services they promote. And, many athletes are getting paid by local companies to promote their businesses. Think the local car dealership, restaurant, service. The second bucket is coming from the NIL collectives which are loosely aligned with the universities and is kind of pay for play. In my opinion, the first bucket is very difficult to regulate, but the second bucket could come under scrutiny and there could be lawsuits for equal pay. In my opinion, if schools are going to pay athletes directly, they will have to pay men and women equally. So, if 100 men are getting paid by the school and/or collective, I would think the school will have to pay 100 women an equal amount. (Actual NIL deals will be get paid what you can by the market.)

And, don't think people aren't already thinking about how to treat athletes in a balanced way. Look at the D'Amelio Collective. They have signed up at least one male or female athlete from each UConn team.
 
I remember a debate in this forum when Cal started at Kentucky that the Kentucky brand was the reason he was able to recruit so well.

Didn’t matter that Tubby Smith was fired because he couldn’t recruit. It was only later in Cal’s tenure that people bought the narrative that he got players into the NBA as one read in addition to the Kentucky brand

Well the brand has been exposed. It’s about the coaches. And in Cal’s case I’ll stick with the expression follow the money.

Put me in the camp wanting Cal and Kentucky losing.
 
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Much respect to Boogie for not even pretending another school was even an option.
 
Cal recruits are getting a life time supply of Tyson Chicken fingers now! Extra crispy!
 
The name on the jersey is irrelevant. The sports equivalent of mercenaries. No loyalty. It's all about what they can get out of it.
 
UCTitleTown said:
The name on the jersey is irrelevant. The sports equivalent of mercenaries. No loyalty. It's all about what they can get out of it.
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Hmmm. Sounds like my thought process in looking for jobs over the years "what can I get out of it". Some was money, also location, experience to improve skills, type of company/management, opportunities for advancement, etc. Guys have to do what they think is best, how much better "trained" can you get at school A vs. B for the future, how sure are you it isn't just BS, and how much loot are you willing to give up to the take the apparently better fit (with lower NIL)?
 
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And he had the audacity to say that his recruitment is wide open lmao.
 
ScottCT said:
And he had the audacity to say that his recruitment is wide open lmao.
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"Did I say 'recruitment'? Sorry I meant 'bank account.'"

And good for him.

I wish he were UConn material, because a bought in Boogie Fland would have been special here, but UConn is not for everybody. I might even wish him success if he didn't sign with a Lovecraftian horror.
 
Playing for a creepy coach, that somehow got out of an investigation for stalking and weird stuff. Golden = scumbag.

There was evidence that supported the claims made by the women.
 
Can't wait for Princeton's Xaivian Lee to be the top guard on Florida.

That being said, that backcourt is electric.
 
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