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I don’t think that NCAA rules regulate how players get paid by collectives, businesses and fans at all. All a question of what each individual deal is and what the parties negotiate.
Agree with that, my point was more that it wouldn’t make much sense for an NIL collective/university to expose themself to this very common situation of a player decommiting, and then having them walk off with a chunk of their NIL funds.
 
If it was as simple as money, why has Arkansas been so bad? Tyson is privately owned and can do what they want, but Walmart is a publicly traded company with shareholders to answer to.
The kind of money we’re talking about is a rounding error on Walmart’s P&L.
 
They haven't been bad. I mean their coach just got poached.

They went nearly 25 years without making out of the first weekend, which is odd for a school with so many resources. Musselman really brought them back in the five years he was there.
 
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I really hate this freshman decommittment thing. I don’t want the Kentucky kids, and I’m not sure I want the Indiana kid - I mean, he signed with Indiana.
 
I really hate this freshman decommittment thing. I don’t want the Kentucky kids, and I’m not sure I want the Indiana kid - I mean, he signed with Indiana.
Tristen Newton signed with East Carolina. Cam Spencer signed with Loyola of MD. Different circumstances but often 18 year old kids make mistakes in judgment.
 
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If it was as simple as money, why has Arkansas been so bad? Tyson is privately owned and can do what they want, but Walmart is a publicly traded company with shareholders to answer to.
It's not company money is either case. It's more a question of what members of the Walton family decide to do with their money, rather than what Walmart does. The family has spent lots of their exceptional personal fortunes on projects and activities in Arkansas. The Tyson money is coming from John Tyson, grandson of the company's founder...

"Whatever John Tyson would ask me to do, I'm doing," said John Calipari as he was introduced as the new men's basketball coach at the University of Arkansas.​

 
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It's not company money is either case. It's more a question of what members of the Walton family decide to do with their money, rather than what Walmart does. The family has spent lots of their exceptional personal fortunes on projects and activities in Arkansas. The Tyson money is coming from John Tyson, grandson of the company's founder...

"Whatever John Tyson would ask me to do, I'm doing," said John Calipari as he was introduced as the new men's basketball coach at the University of Arkansas.​

That's what's so dumb about NIL. John Tyson doesn't care about the name, image or likeness of Arkansas basketball players for his personal social media. The NCAA lost their battle and war. Just give up and let alums and the schools pay the players. They'll become subject to real contracts. Things like two-year contracts with restrictive covenants like a non-competition limited to P5 programs or in-conference programs, clawbacks, performance bonuses, signing bonuses. Fans may not like it, but what we have is just dumb.
 
Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.
 
Within the context of NIL it feels like decommittment is a way to extract more money.
 
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A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization)
Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.
 
Whether it was intentional or lunacy, no organization has ever done anything that worked worse than allowing third parties to make NIL payments.

A rational system would allow schools to pay players, have a wage scale (even if that requires unionization) and have the schools deal with the boosters rather than the players. Not a system where college students are more capitalistic with more rights than professional basketball players have.
I do fear the long term consequences of unionization of teenage athletes. Over time the game will be less competitive, you’ll get less real improvement as there will be guardrails limiting how hard a coach can push a player. Their peers will convince them that they’re being mistreated. I think the coach-centric approach is better with this age group than the player-centric approach.
 
Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.
So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.
 
So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.
Not sure you wanna use the WNBA as a shining example of anything that works from a financial standpoint. They wouldn't exist if the nba didn't supplement them 10s of millions of dollars.
 
Boogie Fland is the best player on the floor right now in the Jordan Brand classic.
 
Could you imagine the disaster this would be...

Imagine a college athlete union that says Zion Williamson has to be paid the same as some girl on the Duke swim team....

"Sorry Mr Clingan the union says you make the same as the goalie on the field hockey team."

The free market and capitalism is fine guys. If someone wants to pay Ballo from Arizona $1.2m for one year of college basketball... Let them. Eventually we'll figure out whether that juice is worth squeeze.

There's other ways to regulate the timing of the portal and NIL contracts.

You wanna blow up college sports... Enter a union into the fray. Now you've got yourself the real minor league experience.
You can have different pay scales for different sports. What is scary is what Dartmouth MBB did. They chose a bargaining unit that also represents other Dartmouth employees. The union, in theory, could hold the basketball team hostage while trying to negotiate better agreements for maintenance workers or housekeepers. The MBB team could potentially be forced into a strike they are not in favor of.
 
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I was at the game.. Hard disagree. Nowell is better. Had rebounds and assists, pushed the ball hard and defended full court. Fland had two drives to the basket.
I'm not really a fan of Boogie Fland's game.
 
I was at the game.. Hard disagree. Nowell is better. Had rebounds and assists, pushed the ball hard and defended full court. Fland had two drives to the basket.
Yeah, Nowell was the best PG on the floor. He was getting others involved and taking his whenever it became available.
 
So it's fine for the WNBA, and rookie contracts in the NBA, but would be a total disaster in college? O.K.
Are you following him? The comparison would be NBA guys on NWSL minimum contracts.
 
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